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[namedforthemoon]

So Aveline is a butch swinger and walks into Hawke's bedroom. "But the priiiiize."





Just kidding.

[Wishpig]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.
Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.
Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.
Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.
Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

Garrus wasn't designed as a LI. He's not one in ME 1. He became one exclusively for fanservice, as he might have been the most beloved companion from the game.

But what I'm saying is that he's really not the kind of normal LI that Bioware would typically have. And since his romance worked so well in ME2 (which again, I haven't played so this is basically heresay from other Garrus references), maybe Bioware is thinking, "Hey this unconventional character worked out really well for being an LI, what if we did this right off the bat with another unconventional character for DA2 and see where it goes?"

But I have no idea how Bioware comes up with their romances or storylines. I really felt like the romance with Carth was added as an afterhought in KOTOR.

Makes sense to me. They could very well be thinking along those lines. But Garrus and Tali were made LI's because they were already extremely popular.

Fans love Varric now, but we still don't know much about him. Who knows if he'll play out to be the character we suspect? So while Garrus and Tali were unconventional, they were also tested and extremely well recieved characters.

Modifié par Wishpig, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:14 .

[Maria Caliban]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lukas wrote Jacob and is also writing Aveline, I believe.  But that's all the overlap I'm aware of.

namedforthemoon wrote...

So Aveline is a butch swinger and walks into Hawke's bedroom. "But the priiiiize."

This one is going to take me a bit to process.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Varric: "But the priiiiize." *points to himself*

[namedforthemoon]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Lukas wrote Jacob and is also writing Aveline, I believe.  But that's all the overlap I'm aware of.

namedforthemoon wrote...

So Aveline is a butch swinger and walks into Hawke's bedroom. "But the priiiiize."

This one is going to take me a bit to process.

Luke wrote Jacob. He's also writing Aveline. So I'm making a teensy joke, putting Aveline in Jacob's place, but in Hawke's world.

Modifié par namedforthemoon, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:23 .

[upsettingshorts]

Just queued up the credits for ME2 and DA:O on Youtube.  From ME2's list:

Mac Walters (also credited in ME1)
Drew Karpyshyn (also credited in ME1)
Malcolm Azania
Chris Hepler
Brian Kindregan
Luke Kristjanson (writing for DA2, also credited in ME1)
Chris L'Etoile (also credited in ME1)
Jay Turner (appears in credits for DA:O)
Jay Watamaniuk
Patrick Weekes (also credited in ME1)

All of ME1's writers appear in ME2's credits, the latter has more writers.

That's the only overlap that's obvious at least going by the credits of DA:O and ME2 on Youtube, obviously I don't know precisely who is working on DA:2, aside from comments by Luke Kristjanson on these forums. 

*ponders the implications of there having been no women on ME2's credited writing staff*

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:26 .

[Maria Caliban]

namedforthemoon,

Yes, I got the joke. I was talking about my reaction to the idea.

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*ponders the implications of there having been no women on ME2's credited writing staff*

I believe Dragon Age: Origins was the first BioWare game to have a female writer.

Modifié par Maria Caliban, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:25 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Awwww. I wish my last name was L'Etoile.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:24 .

[mellifera]

Did someone say Garrus?

[upsettingshorts]

Maria Caliban wrote...

I believe Dragon Age: Origins was the first BioWare game to have a female writer.

Interesting. 

[HolyJellyfish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

*ponders the implications of there having been no women on ME2's credited writing staff*

Wonder if that may have something to do with an all sexy female alien race, no female turians/salarians/everythingelse, Miranda's booty shots, Fem!Shep getting mostly the short end of the stick when it comes to romances, Shep's dialogue (Reach & Flexibility? Really?), and a lack of lady NPCs that aren't bangable (Only one exception - Samara)

hmmm... I woooonder.

Love ME's story, but there are parts where I just roll my eyes and dig into Dragon Age more.

[namedforthemoon]

Anyway, back to Varric.



Comparison:



Varric is an unconventional character that some fans adore. Garrus is an unconventional character that a lot of fans adore.



Varric has two R's in his name. So does Garrus.



...Conclusion...



I... Have no conclusion. I'm grasping for straws. It must be time to go to bed and give the brain a rest.

[mellifera]

namedforthemoon wrote...

Anyway, back to Varric.

Comparison:

Varric is an unconventional character that some fans adore. Garrus is an unconventional character that a lot of fans adore.

Varric has two R's in his name. So does Garrus.

...Conclusion...

I... Have no conclusion. I'm grasping for straws. It must be time to go to bed and give the brain a rest.

Suddenly the image of a hybrid Varrus came to mind.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

yukidama wrote...

Suddenly the image of a hybrid Varrus came to mind.

Do not give me ideas. I have a 7 hour plane ride tomorrow and an empty sketchbook.

Also. *whispers* Garrus.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:33 .

[Liyros]

Woah..you all have a point with the comparison to the Garrus romance and how it is an atypical Bioware romance. I never thought of it that way.

I was stuck thinking of Varric as the likely culprit for being a bro to all of my Hawkes. Now I'm beginning to see the allure of Varric as a character. 'Course I have a weak spot for that since Garrus is my preferred Mass Effect romance in general. Varric could similar in the respect of being a companion that is around Hawke for quite some time and later (if he's a LI) develops romantic intentions towards her. Perhaps I'm wrong, but Varric seems like he gets picked up as part as the team earlier than most. I'm not sure. I just feel like assuming that we'll get all the allies at the beginning isn't correct after Legion. Or even Loghain I guess.

Anyhow, I've always been a fan of the romances where you can easily interpret it as a progression from a strong friendship into romance that occurs over time. It's part of the reason I look forward to the romances in DA2, we have 10 years to see how it plays out.

Also, I think Jacob is fine as long as I manage to click the safe answers on my femShep. Every time talks about spilling drinks..this feeling of triumph washes over me. He's the most normal person on that ship, and I definitely appreciate that. Watch his romance arc be awesome in ME3.

Modifié par Saslic, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:34 .

[upsettingshorts]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Fem!Shep getting mostly the short end of the stick when it comes to romances

That's pretty subjective. 

HolyJellyfish wrote...

and a lack of lady NPCs that aren't bangable (Only one exception - Samara)

Since we're not counting DLC characters (Kasumi and Zaeed would cancel each other out anyway) how many male NPCs aren't?  Two?  Grunt and Mordin.

Otherwise, I'm not sure there's a connection.   Professional writers are professional. 

Saslic wrote...

Also, I think Jacob is fine as long as I manage to click the safe answers on my femShep. Every time talks about spilling drinks..this feeling of triumph washes over me. He's the most normal person on that ship, and I definitely appreciate that. Watch his romance arc be awesome in ME3.

By far my biggest issue personally with the Jacob romance isn't Jacob.  It's FemShep.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:35 .

[Dave of Canada]

I think we've moved far away from the comparisons to Varric into ME romance territory.



Back into the Varric barn, everybody. Move it slowly, one at a time.

[upsettingshorts]

Well, I am curious - and this is getting sorta back on topic - if a companion writer has significant input on what Hawke says during their conversations? How does that work? Is the protagonist more of a collaborative effort?

Basically, does Varric's character inform on the choices available to the player when it comes to how Hawke behaves around them?  I mean, I'm sure it does to an extent but I'm wondering how that's worked out.

Modifié par Upsettingshorts, 21 décembre 2010 - 09:41 .

[Leonia]

*decides she needs to get ME1 during the Steam sale so she can understand wth everyone is going on about*

[namedforthemoon]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

Well, I am curious - and this is getting sorta back on topic - if a companion writer has significant input on what Hawke says during their conversations? How does that work? Is the protagonist more of a collaborative effort?

Basically, does Varric's character inform on the choices available to the player when it comes to how Hawke behaves around them?  I mean, I'm sure it does to an extent but I'm wondering how that's worked out.

You mean like, if Gaider is writing Hawke, and Kirby is writing Varric, do they get together to determine how certain responses play out?

[upsettingshorts]

namedforthemoon wrote...

You mean like, if Gaider is writing Hawke, and Kirby is writing Varric, do they get together to determine how certain responses play out?

Basically, yeah. 

[HolyJellyfish]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

HolyJellyfish wrote...

Fem!Shep getting mostly the short end of the stick when it comes to romances

That's pretty subjective. 

Not entirely. Compare the romance scenes between Fem!Shep and Male!Shep. Lady Sheps only get a headbutt, a kiss, and get to watch /their/ sexy body during the Kaiden romance scene. Only exception is Jacob and those abz.

HolyJellyfish wrote...

and a lack of lady NPCs that aren't bangable (Only one exception - Samara)

Since we're not counting DLC characters (Kasumi and Zaeed would cancel each other out anyway) how many male NPCs aren't?  Two?  Grunt and Mordin.

I'm including ME1 & 2, assuming they are the same game/branch.

Unbangable males with NO inkling of sexual tension (which, in hindsight, is weird to imagine anyone banging them... but it would be fixed if a few of these characters were female, at least):
Wrex, Mordin, Grunt

Unbangable Females with no inkling of sexual tension:
None (Samara gets her close scene, and Morinth kills you)

My point is, there are no female characters in the game (excluding DLC) that doesn't want a sexy part of Shepard.

However, I understand where you are coming from. It maybe a matter of opinion, but that is how I feel, and whether the fact ME is written entirely by men may or may not have something to do with certain story telling / character inclusions that urk me.

But this goes off topic.

I appreciate the diversity of DA's team, and I look forward to Varric's written dialogue.

[Xewaka]

HolyJellyfish wrote...

I'm including ME1 & 2, assuming they are the same game/branch.
Unbangable males with NO inkling of sexual tension (which, in hindsight, is weird to imagine anyone banging them... but it would be fixed if a few of these characters were female, at least):
Wrex, Mordin, Grunt
Unbangable Females with no inkling of sexual tension:
None (Samara gets her close scene, and Morinth kills you)
My point is, there are no female characters in the game (excluding DLC) that doesn't want a sexy part of Shepard.
However, I understand where you are coming from. It maybe a matter of opinion, but that is how I feel, and whether the fact ME is written entirely by men may or may not have something to do with certain story telling / character inclusions that urk me.
But this goes off topic.
I appreciate the diversity of DA's team, and I look forward to Varric's written dialogue.

I'm surprised you failed to mention Kelly Chambers to give weight to your argument.

As of the Hawke/Varric interaction, I believe it's been mentioned that the Main Character is usually a collaborative effort, as he's all over the place. Thus, their interaction would be mostly Mary's penmanship, with some input from David to keep the Hawke persona coherent.

EDIT: Found the quote, in this very thread:

Mary Kirby wrote...

Bruddajakka wrote...
So who's writing Hawke? Or is it a collaborative effort?

The player character always winds up being a collaborative effort, although in the end, it's up to David to decide if the rest of us royally suck at writing Hawke lines, and make us fix them.

Modifié par Xewaka, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:45 .

[ankuu]

Wishpig wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

namedforthemoon wrote...

Wishpig wrote...
No... niether were really a surprise. I'm pretty sure we knew they were romances a while before release... although I may be mistaken.
Generally LI's are the most important characters and/or the most attractive characters.
Most of the time, you can pick out a bioware LI pretty easily.
Varric is throwing everyone for a loop because he's a dwarf and very hairy... typically two things not associated with bioware romances. While attractive, he doesn't fit the cliche' mold that bioware LI's seem to fall into.
Bioware games (storywise) tend to follow a formula that evolves only slightly from game to game. Varric is a depature for many reasons. I think thats one of the reasons he's so popular.

Sort of like Garrus in ME2, then? (I haven't played ME or ME2 but I hear alot about Garrus in reference to other things) He's not your typical LI, he's a weird alien, he's got a nasty scar on his face, but he's got a great personality that makes people like him... Right?

Garrus wasn't designed as a LI. He's not one in ME 1. He became one exclusively for fanservice, as he might have been the most beloved companion from the game.

But what I'm saying is that he's really not the kind of normal LI that Bioware would typically have. And since his romance worked so well in ME2 (which again, I haven't played so this is basically heresay from other Garrus references), maybe Bioware is thinking, "Hey this unconventional character worked out really well for being an LI, what if we did this right off the bat with another unconventional character for DA2 and see where it goes?"

But I have no idea how Bioware comes up with their romances or storylines. I really felt like the romance with Carth was added as an afterhought in KOTOR.

Makes sense to me. They could very well be thinking along those lines. But Garrus and Tali were made LI's because they were already extremely popular.

Fans love Varric now, but we still don't know much about him. Who knows if he'll play out to be the character we suspect? So while Garrus and Tali were unconventional, they were also tested and extremely well recieved characters.

If Varric isn't an LI he might become one in DA 3 (considering that Cassandra seems to be important for DA 3 and they said we'll get more of Varric).

What they did with Garrus and Tali they could do with Anders for example...tested and wanted. But Varric was announced early on, and this might have had an impact (and changed his role a bit? to be an LI?).

Modifié par ankuu, 21 décembre 2010 - 11:59 .

[Xewaka]

ankuu wrote...

If Varric isn't an LI he might become one in DA 3 (considering that Cassandra seems to be important for DA 3 and they said we'll get more of Varric).

What they did with Garrus and Tali they could do with Anders for example...tested and wanted. But Varric was announced early on, and this might have had an impact (and changed his role a bit? to be an LI?).

I'd say, by the time Varric was announced, his script was already locked and on recording.