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[Calla S]

Minxie18 wrote...
Like, even if he isn't an LI, maybe the writers could have decided that Varric has feelings for Hawke even though an actual romance never occurs. Sorta like the way Samara has feelings for Shepard but won't act on them, or a bit like how Tali falls for Shepard even if Shepard never romances her. He may not be a full-fledged LI (because the chips seem to be stacked in Anders and Fenris' favor there) but we never know, he could be secretly in love with Hawke all along despite being 'unavailable' for whatever reason.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't believe there's any truth in this. Fenris, yes, as David Gaider mentioned that he wrote a romance, and Fenris is the only party member that he wrote. But not Anders. Considering all of the changes that he's been through (both on a character level, and a writer's level - DG said he wanted to write an Anders romance, and he's not even writing him anymore), I'd say that Varric's chances are a lot higher than you seem to believe.

Anders is possessed. By a demon. He's an abomination. Jennifer Hepler herself said that this would become increasingly troublesome for him until nearly all he can think about is the destruction of the Chantry. That sort of drive and one-track mindedness really detracts from any possible romance. Not only that, but we have Varric here who doesn't seem to have that much baggage. And since BioWare usually goes the route of having a romance that starts light and gets heavier (to soften the blow of the heavy romance - Fenris, anyone?), I believe that character will be Varric, as it appears Anders warps Justice into Vengeance fairly early on in the game.

Not only that, but Varric is quite obviously the leading man. (Bear with me here.) He's got plot armor a mile thick, as a dev's mentioned him being in DA3 AND he's telling the story. He's been cited as male Hawke's best friend and the first person you meet upon entering Kirkwall. Alright. Awesome. D'you know who else had plot armor, was the male Warden's best friend, and had a very vital role to the story? That's right. A romance option.

I apologize for how long this is getting, but after reading Aimo's little comic (it was amazing, by the way ), I felt that I should say something. Maybe give a little hope to the other people in the Varric thread who haven't had to listen to me preach for the past few days. I think we've got a good chance here, folks. 

Happy early Valentine's day.

[Xewaka]

aimo_ahmed wrote...

It's a bit early, but what the heck:



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Happy Valentine's Day, everyone! Keep your loved ones close to your heart

Great work, Aimo. Even with the general undercurrent of awesome that permeates Varric's range of expression, I have to say that Cass' frustrated rage takes the cake for me.

Modifié par Xewaka, 13 février 2011 - 04:58 .

[Shepard Lives]

Calla S wrote...

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't believe there's any truth in this. Fenris, yes, as David Gaider mentioned that he wrote a romance, and Fenris is the only party member that he wrote. But not Anders. Considering all of the changes that he's been through (both on a character level, and a writer's level - DG said he wanted to write an Anders romance, and he's not even writing him anymore), I'd say that Varric's chances are a lot higher than you seem to believe.

Anders is possessed. By a demon. He's an abomination. Jennifer Hepler herself said that this would become increasingly troublesome for him until nearly all he can think about is the destruction of the Chantry. That sort of drive and one-track mindedness really detracts from any possible romance. Not only that, but we have Varric here who doesn't seem to have that much baggage. And since BioWare usually goes the route of having a romance that starts light and gets heavier (to soften the blow of the heavy romance - Fenris, anyone?), I believe that character will be Varric, as it appears Anders warps Justice into Vengeance fairly early on in the game.

Not only that, but Varric is quite obviously the leading man. (Bear with me here.) He's got plot armor a mile thick, as a dev's mentioned him being in DA3 AND he's telling the story. He's been cited as male Hawke's best friend and the first person you meet upon entering Kirkwall. Alright. Awesome. D'you know who else had plot armor, was the male Warden's best friend, and had a very vital role to the story? That's right. A romance option.

I apologize for how long this is getting, but after reading Aimo's little comic (it was amazing, by the way ), I felt that I should say something. Maybe give a little hope to the other people in the Varric thread who haven't had to listen to me preach for the past few days. I think we've got a good chance here, folks. 

Happy early Valentine's day.

PREACH IT.

[Nikita3d]

I have got confused, but I too thought that at Anders very few chances s in him also the demon sits

Modifié par Nikita3d, 13 février 2011 - 05:06 .

[Nikita3d]

Calla S wrote...

Minxie18 wrote...
Like, even if he isn't an LI, maybe the writers could have decided that Varric has feelings for Hawke even though an actual romance never occurs. Sorta like the way Samara has feelings for Shepard but won't act on them, or a bit like how Tali falls for Shepard even if Shepard never romances her. He may not be a full-fledged LI (because the chips seem to be stacked in Anders and Fenris' favor there) but we never know, he could be secretly in love with Hawke all along despite being 'unavailable' for whatever reason.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. I don't believe there's any truth in this. Fenris, yes, as David Gaider mentioned that he wrote a romance, and Fenris is the only party member that he wrote. But not Anders. Considering all of the changes that he's been through (both on a character level, and a writer's level - DG said he wanted to write an Anders romance, and he's not even writing him anymore), I'd say that Varric's chances are a lot higher than you seem to believe.

Anders is possessed. By a demon. He's an abomination. Jennifer Hepler herself said that this would become increasingly troublesome for him until nearly all he can think about is the destruction of the Chantry. That sort of drive and one-track mindedness really detracts from any possible romance. Not only that, but we have Varric here who doesn't seem to have that much baggage. And since BioWare usually goes the route of having a romance that starts light and gets heavier (to soften the blow of the heavy romance - Fenris, anyone?), I believe that character will be Varric, as it appears Anders warps Justice into Vengeance fairly early on in the game.

Not only that, but Varric is quite obviously the leading man. (Bear with me here.) He's got plot armor a mile thick, as a dev's mentioned him being in DA3 AND he's telling the story. He's been cited as male Hawke's best friend and the first person you meet upon entering Kirkwall. Alright. Awesome. D'you know who else had plot armor, was the male Warden's best friend, and had a very vital role to the story? That's right. A romance option.

I apologize for how long this is getting, but after reading Aimo's little comic (it was amazing, by the way ), I felt that I should say something. Maybe give a little hope to the other people in the Varric thread who haven't had to listen to me preach for the past few days. I think we've got a good chance here, folks. 

Happy early Valentine's day.

I trust in Varrik, I trust in David Gaider, I trust in that that we trust)

Modifié par Nikita3d, 13 février 2011 - 05:13 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

I applaud your use of the phrase 'leading man' in regards to Varric, Calla. Dohohoh.



Mmmyes. Nothing can unseat him from his heavily plot armored throne. *cackles*

[Xewaka]

Pseudocognition wrote...

I applaud your use of the phrase 'leading man' in regards to Varric, Calla. Dohohoh.

Mmmyes. Nothing can unseat him from his heavily plot armored throne. *cackles*

That's mostly because he's chained by the ankle to the damn thing.

[kcwME]

Calla S wrote...
--snip--

As much as I love the idea of a Varric romance (), I honestly don't think it will happen this time. Two things:

1.) There must be at least ONE human LI (It's the law of the jungle)
2.) LI's must contrast

Anders is pretty much a given, as he fits the first one. And the Devs have stated (repeatedly) that he is his normal jokey self, except when it comes to the Chantry, etc. A more stoic/deadpan character will be needed to balance him out: that means Fenris.

And being the narrator makes it WAY more complicated. Could they do it? Yeah, but it doesn't make sense from a resources standpoint. It would only affect female PCs who choose to romance a dwarf. That is an extreme minority of the playerbase. Not to mention it would be a heavy gamble to "waste" so much time on an "unsafe" romance.

No, if anything I think ONLY if he's super well recieved after launch will they even contemplate a Varric romance. (But I'm still pulling for DA3.)


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Forgot to add:

Calla S wrote...
Anders is possessed. By a demon. He's an abomination. Jennifer Hepler herself said that this would become increasingly troublesome for him until nearly all he can think about is the destruction of the Chantry. That sort of
drive and one-track mindedness really detracts from any possible romance.

Haven't we learned how much the writers enjoy tragic, heartbreaking romances?

Modifié par kcwME, 13 février 2011 - 05:35 .

[Nikita3d]

The such can't be, spoke that there will be no repetitions of novels, elf was, and Varrik not simply dwarf, and very charismatic and beautiful gnome.

And if didn't want to make his purpose of our passions would make uninteresting and not the attractive.

Modifié par Nikita3d, 13 février 2011 - 05:43 .

[Calla S]

kcwME wrote...
As much as I love the idea of a Varric romance (), I honestly don't think it will happen this time. Two things:

1.) There must be at least ONE human LI (It's the law of the jungle)
2.) LI's must contrast

Anders is pretty much a given, as he fits the first one. And the Devs have stated (repeatedly) that he is his normal jokey self, except when it comes to the Chantry, etc. A more stoic/deadpan character will be needed to balance him out: that means Fenris.

And being the narrator makes it WAY more complicated. Could they do it? Yeah, but it doesn't make sense from a resources standpoint. It would only affect female PCs who choose to romance a dwarf. That is an extreme minority of the playerbase. Not to mention it would be a heavy gamble to "waste" so much time on an "unsafe" romance.

No, if anything I think ONLY if he's super well recieved after launch will they even contemplate a Varric romance. (But I'm still pulling for DA3.)

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Forgot to add:

Calla S wrote...
Anders is possessed. By a demon. He's an abomination. Jennifer Hepler herself said that this would become increasingly troublesome for him until nearly all
he can think about is the destruction of the Chantry. That sort of
drive and one-track mindedness really detracts from any possible
romance.

Haven't we learned how much the writers enjoy tragic, heartbreaking romances?

Humans aren't necessary. BioWare isn't catering to anyone specific, and this is a company that's written romances with turians and drell. Elves are as tall as humans now, all they need do is pretend his ears aren't poking out of his hair, and voila. Human romance. Not only that, but our 'human romance'? He's possessed by a demon. I don't know about you folks, but that doesn't scream DO ME to me.

He's telling the story. Yes. He is. The story he's telling is also changed with. every. single. big. decision. you make. Why not add a romance, hm? He's not going to pour his heart out to Cassandra. He doesn't even want to be there and he's making the most of it. The romances will probably only add a line or two of dialogue anyway. There's no reason why this would be more difficult to include than any of the other romances.

A dwarven romance wouldn't be considered unsafe if the dwarf in mind was charming, handsome, and something that ladies have expressed interest in. Oh wait. BioWare? They've taken bigger risks. 

Also, yes, they looooove drama. Doesn't mean Varric won't have any drama. They wouldn't have two heavy-hitting, possibly angst-ridden LIs for the straight female players when they have someone as light-hearted as Isabela for the male straight players. There's always going to be a foil. Anders' demon is not exactly a foil to our much-tortured, elven friend.

Modifié par Calla S, 13 février 2011 - 05:39 .

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Xewaka wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...

I applaud your use of the phrase 'leading man' in regards to Varric, Calla. Dohohoh.

Mmmyes. Nothing can unseat him from his heavily plot armored throne. *cackles*

That's mostly because he's chained by the ankle to the damn thing.

Plot armor comes in many forms.

[kcwME]

Calla S wrote...

Humans aren't necessary. BioWare isn't catering to anyone specific, and this is a company that's written romances with turians and drell. Elves are as tall as humans now, all they need do is pretend his ears aren't poking out of his hair, and voila. Human romance.

Turians and Drell, yes. But there was also Jacob, the one human LI. And I don't think elf=human will fly. I'm thinking about what would be needed to reach a wider audience and a human is a must. To most people, an elf is still and elf.

A dwarven romance wouldn't be considered unsafe if the dwarf in mind was charming, handsome, and something that ladies have expressed interest in. Oh wait. BioWare? They've taken bigger risks.

Said "ladies" haven't been able to express interest in him yet. The game isn't launched yet, and the Devs have said they rarely take direct feedback from the forums. Like I said, if he is really well recieved then maybe DA3 but they have nothing to go on now. To most players, a dwarf is a very, VERY unconventional romance. I'd love it but I think most would be a little weirded out. Garrus was really well recieved and his romance STILL gets flack from a lot of people. *shrugs*

Also, yes, they looooove drama. Doesn't mean Varric won't have any drama. They wouldn't have two heavy-hitting, possibly angst-ridden LIs for the straight female players when they have someone as light-hearted as Isabela for the male straight players. There's always going to be a foil. Anders' demon is not exactly a foil to our much-tortured, elven friend.

The contrast is more in personality then in the drama the romance entails (IMHO). And they said Anders will be his normal jokey self. I don't think they would balance that out with a loveable rogue type. But again this all guesswork. We'll know in March.


edit: bajeezus, typos.

He's telling the story. Yes. He is. The story he's telling is also  changed with. every. single. big. decision. you make. Why not add a romance, hm? He's not going to pour his heart out to Cassandra. He doesn't even want to be there and he's making the most of it. The romances will probably only add a line or two of dialogue anyway.
There's no reason why this would be more difficult to include than any of the other romances.

Mm, I think the changes would be a little bit more substantial then one or two lines of dialogue. Not to mention I think Cassandra would have picked up rumors that he was boffing the Champion at one point and probably would have changed her tactics, IMHO. But we'll just have to agree to disagree.

I don't know if I'm way off base but I'm picking up some hostility from you. It was not my intent to start anything, I just honestly don't think he'll be a romance option and it's kind of breaking my heart to see my fellow Varric fans get whipped up into a lather.

Modifié par kcwME, 13 février 2011 - 05:57 .

[Xewaka]

Pseudocognition wrote...

Xewaka wrote...

Pseudocognition wrote...
I applaud your use of the phrase 'leading man' in regards to Varric, Calla. Dohohoh.
Mmmyes. Nothing can unseat him from his heavily plot armored throne. *cackles*

That's mostly because he's chained by the ankle to the damn thing.

Plot armor comes in many forms.

Well, yes. The damage absorption potential of The Stone Monstrosity™ is very high.

[VictimOfVision]

Calla S wrote...
*snip*

Also, yes, they looooove drama. Doesn't mean Varric won't have any drama. They wouldn't have two heavy-hitting, possibly angst-ridden LIs for the straight female players when they have someone as light-hearted as Isabela for the male straight players. There's always going to be a foil. Anders' demon is not exactly a foil to our much-tortured, elven friend.

I agree!

I adore Anders and I would really rather him than Fenris as an LI, but to have them both is to cheat the straight Fem Hawke out of a lighthearted relationship. The Anders and Fenris as LI are both REALLY HEAVY storylines. In Origins, Zevran was open to the idea of a just-for-fun relationship, even though you could get serious with him. I don't see that option in Fenris or Anders. Relationships with those two would be a LOT of the same sort of work for the protagonist.

...
I really want to romance that dwarf. <3:whistle:

[Glycerine Queen]

I think it's likely that they will include secondary, less developed romances in DA2 as was done in ME2. I'd imagine this is Varric's best shot, something along the lines of the Garrus or Samara "romance" in ME2, where you can flirt with him, deepen the relationship, but it doesn't really go anywhere, there are no deep declarations of love and devotion and no love scenes or plot implications.

There will certainly be two full romances with all the Bioware bells and whistles and one of them will surely be Anders, as I do think they believe including at least one male and female human LI is essential. I'm guessing Aveline will be the male Hawke's version of Varric...you can comfort her, help her with her husband's loss, grow closer, but that's it.

Modifié par Glycerine Queen, 13 février 2011 - 06:08 .

[Nikita3d]

The romance with Garrus all the same conducts to a continuation.

Modifié par Nikita3d, 13 février 2011 - 06:12 .

[Herr Uhl]

Glycerine Queen wrote...

I think it's likely that they will include secondary, less developed romances in DA2 as was done in ME2. I'd imagine this is Varric's best shot, something along the lines of the Garrus or Samara "romance" in ME2, where you can flirt with him, deepen the relationship, but it doesn't really go anywhere, there are no deep declarations of love and devotion and no love scenes or plot implications.

?

[Glycerine Queen]

Was there really a Garrus love scene? I never pursued it but wasn't it pretty mild, like they bump heads in some awkward approximation of a kiss then never speak of it again? If not, then maybe us ladies will be lucky and get 3 love interests like in ME2, while fellas are stuck with just 2.

[Nikita3d]

2? Tali,Miranda,Jack...

[Risax]

aimo_ahmed wrote...

It's a bit early, but what the heck:



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Happy Valentine's Day, everyone! Keep your loved ones close to your heart

*sigh*....Now I realy hope that BioWare does the corny thing and anounces the romances on Valentine's Day.

Modifié par Risax, 13 février 2011 - 06:23 .

[kcwME]

Glycerine Queen wrote...

Was there really a Garrus love scene? I never pursued it but wasn't it pretty mild, like they bump heads in some awkward approximation of a kiss then never speak of it again? If not, then maybe us ladies will be lucky and get 3 love interests like in ME2, while fellas are stuck with just 2.

Err, unless I'm mistaken Garrus and Femshep go all the way. In Shadowbroker, Femshep admits she didn't think she'd find happiness in the arms of a turian. They didn't get explicit because of weird clipping issues and whatnot. They said they had a lot of "crazy stuff" planned for that romance scene but who knows.

[Glycerine Queen]

Nikita3d wrote...

2? Tali,Miranda,Jack...

Haha, that's what I get for only playing once with male Shepard.  Well, now I don't know.  Bioware did 3 romances per gender in ME2, but the squadmates roster was larger, as opposed to DA2 which seems to be focusing on more developed but fewer companions. 

In that case, maybe it's not about having an even number for each gender but just about what feels right for the characters.  Maybe they just felt it didn't make sense for Aveline to romance your character, given her personality and what she's been through.  In that case, it's entirely possible that Anders, Fenris and Varric are all romances.  Woot!

Modifié par Glycerine Queen, 13 février 2011 - 06:29 .

[Nikita3d]

Glycerine Queen wrote...

Nikita3d wrote...

2? Tali,Miranda,Jack...

Haha, that's what I get for only playing once with male Shepard.  Well, now I don't know.  Bioware did 3 romances per gender in ME2, but the squadmates roster was larger, as opposed to DA2 which seems to be focusing on more developed but fewer companions. 

In that case, maybe it's not about having an even number for each gender but just about what feels right for the characters.  Maybe they just felt it didn't make sense for Aveline to romance your character, given her personality and what she's been through.  In that case, it's entirely possible that Anders, Fenris and Varric are all romances.  Woot!

Would be super, but I don't think that so will be (

[foxtrotcharlie]

Glycerine Queen wrote...
There will certainly be two full romances with all the Bioware bells and whistles and one of them will surely be Anders, as I do think they believe including at least one male and female human LI is essential. I'm guessing Aveline will be the male Hawke's version of Varric...you can comfort her, help her with her husband's loss, grow closer, but that's it.

I actually think that I have to disagree with you on that one.  I'm still not convinced that Anders will be one of the 'fully-fleged' romances that you speak of.  For one, the poor guy is obviously unstable both emotionally and mentally.  Truthfully, can you imagine him trying to sort out a 'true' romance with FHawke, whilst keeping his inner-demon from going on a homocidal rampage and taking over him completely? I'm not convinced.  As odd as this may sound, it does not seem 'realistic.'

Although FHawke may have feelings for him, I do not think that Anders would be able to properly recipricate them, given his current state. Through this, I believe that Anders will be the 'distant, love that might-have-been' LI.  Truthfully, it makes sense.  Fenris,also has his baggage.

Which leads us to Varric, who, from what I've seen, is the kind of guy who has his problems, but by problems I mean like Han Solo problems--may have run into some problems with debters in the past--that sort of thing.  Not like Fenris and Anders problems'---enslaved and experimented on for most of his life, and having a vengance/rage demon eating at his subconscious, respectively.  

Although people keep trying to tell me, "But he's the only human-male character, he has to be romanceble."  I fail to see their leverage for this other than the fact that there has always been a male-human LI in past Bioware games.  This could change in DA:2.  Which I think it will.....

Go Team Varric! <3

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 février 2011 - 06:41 .

[Herr Uhl]

Glycerine Queen wrote...

Was there really a Garrus love scene? I never pursued it but wasn't it pretty mild, like they bump heads in some awkward approximation of a kiss then never speak of it again? If not, then maybe us ladies will be lucky and get 3 love interests like in ME2, while fellas are stuck with just 2.

I thought the sex was implied.