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[Herr Uhl]

aimo_ahmed wrote...

Anyway, just want to post a random Varric-thought before I go to sleep...I'm assuming that House Tehtras is pretty much Kalnas, while Varric I'm guessing leans towards Ascendant. Would this somehow play into his personal quest, and what would the consequences be for him, Hawke, and Kirkwall in the long run if it comes down choosing one or the other?

I think that their probable Coterie connections will play a bigger role.

Bioware blog

Since then, they’ve sunk their claws into almost every level of Kirkwall, including the city guard, the Dwarven Merchants Guild, and some of the most influential citizens in the city. It’s safe to say that the Coterie gets a slice of every pie, and very little goes on in Kirkwall that escapes their notice.

Modifié par Herr Uhl, 13 février 2011 - 10:09 .

[soignee]

I'm going to go more towards Merchant's Guild shenanigans being the personal quest. Sounds sorta Crow-like to me, (but less murder, obviously) in the sense of an organisation having control. Merchants can have a lot of power and can hold the purse strings of a country, should they organize themselves to do so.

*eta* hrrm. The Coterie link is a new thing. If it's based on this, then I look forward to playing it all out

Modifié par soignee, 13 février 2011 - 10:12 .

[lv12medic]

Russalka wrote...

Can all this romance argument be levelled down to the preferences of appearance? Like it has been said many times, if Varric was a human or even elf, no one would think twice of him being a love interest. Would there be less fans to any companion, if their appearance was divine and conventional but the personality stupid or utterly horrible?

I keep throwing out Bishop to exemplify the last statement.

 Looks seem to have a lot to do with it because as of right now we have a few images and a small un-informative snippette of each companion.  And yet the LI arms race has been brewing for the past 6 months.  People seem to imagine all sorts of things and situations and project an entire personality of a person based off one picture. 

It's the fatal flaw of rampant speculation with little to no concrete information.  But for the developers to give out too much information before the game comes out, what would be the point in playing the game?  

[Dave of Canada]

Herr Uhl wrote...

Bioware blog

Since then, they’ve sunk their claws into almost every level of Kirkwall, including the city guard, the Dwarven Merchants Guild, and some of the most influential citizens in the city. It’s safe to say that the Coterie gets a slice of every pie, and very little goes on in Kirkwall that escapes their notice.

Varric's network, anyone?

[leggywillow]

Russalka wrote...

Can all this romance argument be levelled down to the preferences in appearance?
Like it has been said many times, if Varric was a human or even elf, no one would think twice of him being a love interest. Would there be less fans to any companion, if his or her appearance was divine and conventional but the personality was stupid or utterly horrible?

I'm not going to deny that it plays a part, because people are ultimately shallow, but remember that the butt monkey LIs of the Mass Effect universe are Kaidan and Jacob, who are the most conventionally attractive male options.  (I personally LOOOOVE Kaidan, but I think his hatedom sadly outnumbers his fandom.  And he's a pretty cute pixel-man, I'd say.)

[Herr Uhl]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Herr Uhl wrote...

Bioware blog

Since then, they’ve sunk their claws into almost every level of Kirkwall, including the city guard, the Dwarven Merchants Guild, and some of the most influential citizens in the city. It’s safe to say that the Coterie gets a slice of every pie, and very little goes on in Kirkwall that escapes their notice.

Varric's network, anyone?

Yeah, that is what I thought reading it the first time.

And it seems we will have someone from every group as a party member apart from the templars. But I think that both Bethany and Carver can become connected to the chantry, giving Carver a Templar spec and armor, and Bethany a Force Mage spec and a circle robe.

[foxtrotcharlie]

Dave of Canada wrote...
They reason that Varric won't be a love interest because he's a dwarf, how does that change anything? He's still a person, he still has character, he still has lines that could be delivered romantically.
How does his race in a fantasy setting impact him? 

These people love to insult Varric, say a lot of reasons why he shouldn't be a LI but when I bring up reasons why their respective LI shouldn't be a LI either they dismiss me because I have a "dwarf fetish"?

Well spoken Mr. of Canada.  I agree with you.  In every instance where I have asked for any real backing as to why Anders has more of a chance of being an LI rather than Varric, I either recieve no response at all, or their reply is that there must  be a male-human LI--as if that is some unspoken testiment within the Bioware Corporation.  

Then the debate ends, and I am still unconvinced.  That alone is not a solid reason why Anders may be an LI.  I would not be so admant about people denying that Varric is an LI, if they did not have such vague defenses.

The second option for a relationship is with a man that struggles to retain his free will every waking hour against a demon, where he'll eventually won't be able to focus on anything else but fighting the Chantry.
 
Every companion has baggage but this doesn't seem like something Hawke can go fix by highfiving him

 

In simple terms, if one was to continue this debate, it would be indeed correct that Varric has a higher 'chance' of being an LI than Anders.  But even as this is true,  I still do not look down at those who are Anders fans.  I like Anders also, --but, what I cannot stand is when people completely shoot down the prospect of Varric being an LI and either:


a.) give no explanation for why this is so--they only say things like: 
     'the chances of Varric being an LI are pretty low..' and 'Anders and Fenris are definately going to be the LI's.'

or...

b.) again, give no explanation, but this time, back their comments with statements like:
     'he'd be a bad LI,' and 'he's not popular enough, no one even likes dwarfs...'

Truly if there is one thing I cannot stand it is when people try to hide their true convictions behind vague, semi-neutral statements.  If you find dwarfs to be odd, say so!  Say that you would not like a dwarf romance, because you--yourself--as an individual, do not personally like them! Okay, that is fine.  Trust me, no one on this thread will judge you for that.  To each his own.  But for the love of the ancestors, do not make these sweeping statements that are not at all logical, but in truth, are mixed with your own hopes and prejudices.  It truly does not do any credit to yourself or to your cause.  

Modifié par foxtrotcharlie, 13 février 2011 - 10:41 .

[Calla S]

foxtrotcharlie wrote...
Truly if there is one thing I cannot stand it is when people try to hide their true convictions behind vague, semi-neutral statements.  If you find dwarfs to be odd, say so!  Say that you would not like a dwarf romance, because you--yourself--as an individual, do not personally like them! Okay, that is fine.  Trust me, no one on this thread will judge you for that.  To each his own.  But for the love of the ancestors, do not make these sweeping statements that are not at all logical, but in truth, are mixed with your own hopes and prejudices.  It truly does not do any credit to yourself or to your cause.

Well said, dear! Well said. It's what I've been thinking for an age, but couldn't scrounge up the sense to put it into sensical words.

[Russalka]

The problem I have is not whether people like dwarves or not.
The number of love interests is limited. People would rather see the characters they prefer (for now, appearance-wise) in the game. People get predatory or just plain annoying about it. It basically gets down to the preferences of others not deserving any attention at all in their minds. Because how can others like anything else?

Modifié par Russalka, 13 février 2011 - 10:49 .

[Maugrim]

Russalka wrote...

The problem I have is not whether people like dwarves or not.
The number of love interests is limited. People would rather see the characters they prefer (for now, appearance-wise) in the game. People get predatory or just plain annoying about it. It basically gets down to the preferences of others not deserving any attention at all in their minds. Because how can others like anything else?

It's the 'I got/hope I get mine and you can go fu** yourself.' attitude.  I don't think any of us care who preffers which LI, it's the attitude and to get srzbsns for a second, prejudices of some posters. To use a completely impossible example to illustrate  right now if Mike Laidlaw PM me and said "We can add Varric as a LI or another f/f LI you decide."  I'd probably go for the latter, but I'd make it known I support both.

Actually I'd probably try to hold this thread hostage for art and see if they could come up with a big enough ransom in my completly impossible for illustrative purposes only scenario.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 13 février 2011 - 10:59 .

[mellifera]

I don't care about people's preferences, what gets me is the falsely diplomatic BS of "I like X but I also want Y, sorry fans of Z! Maybe next time!" Don't ****ing patronize me, sheesh.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

So long as there is one dialogue option where you can let him know he's the finest dorf yet seen in this series (and it seems like there could be. Yay flirt options!), I ain't mad.

Modifié par Pseudocognition, 13 février 2011 - 11:17 .

[mellifera]

Hawke: Hey Varric, you're the finest dwarf I've seen in the Dragon Age series.
Varric: What's Dragon Age?

(j/k Varric totally knows what the DA series is)

Modifié par yukidama, 13 février 2011 - 11:21 .

[Herr Uhl]

yukidama wrote...

Hawke: Hey Varric, you're the finest dwarf I've seen in the Dragon Age series.
Varric: What's Dragon Age?

Hawke: The current century.

[HolyJellyfish]

I just want the Isabela option of boinking them all. Breaking down hot and steamy video game conventions from the very beginning.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

yukidama wrote...

Hawke: Hey Varric, you're the finest dwarf I've seen in the Dragon Age series.
Varric: What's Dragon Age?

(j/k Varric totally knows what the DA series is)

Dangeorusly genre savvy.

[Tealsie]

On a random note: I hope Varric gets some spiffy line for having succesfully unlocked something. Like Nates "does this please you?" Mostly so I can blush, nod, and say "yes dear, do it again" >_>

[Anarya]

Tealsie wrote...

On a random note: I hope Varric gets some spiffy line for having succesfully unlocked something. Like Nates "does this please you?" Mostly so I can blush, nod, and say "yes dear, do it again" >_>

Haha I had no idea Nate said that. I've been doing it all wrong! I usually unlock stuff myself.

[kcwME]

Sorry to bring this back up but I can't help but think this is directed in part at me:

They reason that Varric won't be a love interest because he's a dwarf, how does that change anything? He's still a person, he still has character, he still has lines that could be delivered romantically. How
does his race in a fantasy setting impact him? Hell, half the people who say these things have signatures advocating their Garrus love. Couldn't the same be said about a turian? No, Bioware gave him a chance and he's one of the most popular female LIs because of it. (Though I made a comparison between a dwarf and a turian, I don't imply they are the same. Just comparing how people hated the thought of hooking up with a
turian.)

I actually think the only reason we got so many alien romances in ME2 was because of the whole Fox News debacle harping about alien sex. The ME team probably wanted to stick it to them with not one, not two, but THREE full-on alien romances, another half-way romance (Samara) and an alien doctor who gave you sex tips.

But there is always a human. With Thane and Garrus, it was Jacob. I strongly believe that in order to reach a wider audience, there must always be a human LI. I personally would have no problem with unconventional romances (I love them, hence the Garrus sig, etc) but if I were a Dev interested in reaching the widest audience I could, I would always put atleast one human LI. Because while we're pretty liberal in some ways here on the forums, I would bet the audience Bioware is reaching out to now isn't so open minded. They HAVE to put the human just to err a little on the safe side. It's just the way things are at present. *shrugs*

Russalka wrote...

Can all this romance argument be levelled down to the preferences in appearance?
Like it has been said many times, if Varric was a human or even elf, no one would think twice of him being a love interest. Would there be less fans to any companion, if his or her appearance was divine and conventional but the personality was stupid or utterly horrible?

I keep throwing out Bishop to exemplify the last statement.

That is pretty much what it is. If Varric were human, if he were "safe" then no one would think twice. But sadly, racial prejudice, or hell just prejudice in general (even towards fictional characters) is still pretty prevelant. A lot of people do judge people based on race and appearance. Hell, how many times did this thread come under attack from people with vile accusations of beastiality or whatever the heck they were peddling?

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade, I just am trying to bring a little more objectivity to this thread by representing my (divergent) view point. Anyway, going back to lurking. (maybe)


Btw: HAPPY 550 Varric Thread!

Modifié par kcwME, 14 février 2011 - 12:04 .

[Glycerine Queen]

For the record, I don't have any problem with dwarven romance...I think it's very cool that Bioware is exploring beyond the bearded, gruff dwarf archetype and I'd love to see a Varric romance because it would surely be something we haven't seen before (and it would give Aimo more chances to draw adorable Varric comics).

That said, If there are only two slots I think it doesn't look likely that he's a full-fledged romance option, because I don't see Bioware not including a "vanilla" human male option, and all signs point to Fenris being confirmed. Jacob and Kaiden may not generate as much fan fiction or whatever, but they're there for a reason...to provide the baseline experience for most people who play the game, who demonstrably gravitate towards human characters. I myself am not one of those people, as far as I'm concerned the more gill-necked, pointy-faced, short, barefoot creatures in the love equation the better. I just don't see Bioware cutting out the basic human romance.

I think it's best to not expect more than flirt lines, which I'm sure Mary will knock out of the park. Or more than two LIs, which would be ideal, but not likely.

Modifié par Glycerine Queen, 14 février 2011 - 12:08 .

[kcwME]

Glycerine Queen wrote...

That said, If there are only two slots I think it doesn't look likely that he's a full-fledged romance option, because I don't see Bioware not including a "vanilla" human male option, and all signs point to Fenris being confirmed. Jacob and Kaiden may not generate as much fan fiction or whatever, but they're there for a reason...to provide the baseline experience for most people who play the game, who demonstrably gravitate towards human characters. I myself am not one of those people, as far as I'm concerned the more gill-necked, pointy-faced, short, barefoot creatures in the love equation the better. I just don't see Bioware cutting out the basic human romance.

QFT. Why couldn't I have said it so plainly? I waffle too much.

Okay back to fake lurking.

[mellifera]

Glycerine Queen wrote...
I just don't see Bioware cutting out the basic human romance. 

Not disagreeing but this line... there isn't a basic human romance in DA2, lol.

[kcwME]

yukidama wrote...

Glycerine Queen wrote...
I just don't see Bioware cutting out the basic human romance. 

Not disagreeing but this line... there isn't a basic human romance in DA2, lol.

She means someone who is human. Which means Anders.

[Calla S]

kcwME wrote...
She means someone who is human. Which means Anders.

Isabela is human.

[Pseudo the Mustachioed]

Calla S wrote...

kcwME wrote...
She means someone who is human. Which means Anders.

Isabela is human.

Enough human to go around