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[Saremei]

InvisiShepard wrote...

Okay so back in the day it was BLACK people, then it was GAY people and now it's STERILE people. Are people just functionally pre-disposed to bigotry?

Are you going to call a bunch of people who due to some genetic defect were born sterile but are otherwise normal FREAKS? Does that make Monica from FRIENDS a freak too?

You Mr SelkathKing are the FREAK for being a bigot with the mentality of a 14th century conservative

To answer your question and counter a lot of blatant propaganda that's been pushed in education systems everywhere (which disproves itself), yes.  Bigotry and racism in general are NOT learned.  They are basic and universal to all humankind.  Tolerance is a learned trait.  One people must be conditioned into and no one on earth is completely free of it.  It is a basic human survival instinct to be against those not considered a part of your group.  Same can be said of most animals on earth.

So no.  SelkathKing is not a freak for being a bigot.  He actually isn't a bigot.  That stuff is biologically wrong and cannot take place in the mass effect universe. 

As another correctly noted, true romance with aliens wouldn't work out anyway.  People try to convince themselves over and over that you can love anyone, but that is strictly not true and a major cause of divorces in reality.  Humans need biological connections for lasting romance to work.  One major factor is in immune system differences.  People are attracted to those with different immunities because they help the survival rates of the offspring.  It is believed that smell has a major role in telling potential mates about immunities.  This is an utterly basic process that the concious human would not even know is happening.  Chances of aliens emitting compatible biological signals is slim to none.  Aside from immunities, people also have longer lasting relationships with those of similar backgrounds, views, and even looks.  Things aliens have next to no chance of sharing with us.

In the end, yes you can screw aliens.  No you cannot ever get them pregnant by any means. No you won't have a real, lasting relationship with them.  Arguing otherwise is your own conscious mind trying desperately to fight the rest of your brain and body.

[Tirigon]

Aris Ravenstar wrote...

Tirigon wrote...

Shows you a bit about the intelligence of the dozen - or rather, lack thereof.

How so? Because they don't throw away logic and facts in favor of wishful thinking? If one attempts to discuss this subject with any rationality, they are met with 'BUT IT SHOULD HAPPEN! BABIES!'.

Well no, Not the few who give reasons. I was referring to the ones who post "That´s sick and you´re sick too and you´re a freak and sterile people and homosexuals are sick freaks too!"

[Tirigon]

Saremei wrote...


In the end, yes you can screw aliens.  No you cannot ever get them pregnant by any means. No you won't have a real, lasting relationship with them.  Arguing otherwise is your own conscious mind trying desperately to fight the rest of your brain and body.

The mind will win.

Ultimately, what sets humans apart from mere beasts is the chance to overcome their biological programming and do what they want and feel, not do what their instinct tells them.

Of course, not all humans have this ability. But then, it is a well-known fact that most of humanity is worht less than dirty flies and less intelligent too.

[UpDownLeftRight]

Tirigon wrote...
The mind will win.

Ultimately, what sets humans apart from mere beasts is the chance to overcome their biological programming and do what they want and feel, not do what their instinct tells them.

Of course, not all humans have this ability. But then, it is a well-known fact that most of humanity is worht less than dirty flies and less intelligent too.

Actually... "Free Will" doesn't exist. It is a mix of "Nature and Nurture".
Humans ARE bound by their programming. The difference between humans and other animals is the fact that humans have an illusion of free will.

[Spartas Husky]

....damn all I wanted was some weird radiation like breeding between turian and human... not ncessesarily a hybrid... but this has just gone way out of there into the unseen lol

[GodWood]

Science says no

[Tirigon]

UpDownLeftRight wrote...


Actually... "Free Will" doesn't exist. It is a mix of "Nature and Nurture".
Humans ARE bound by their programming. The difference between humans and other animals is the fact that humans have an illusion of free will.

This is wrong, and I can prove it: If nature would control us, we wouldn´t engage in pointless activities like debating on the internet, playing fantasy games etc.. as these do not increase our chances to spread our genes.

[Beocat]

Ugh... Please no interspecies babies running around. The relationships are okay, but when it comes to biology, it just won't work. Not to mention, if it ever did, the poor kid would be the awkward, freaky kid that becomes the laughing stock of his/her school =P

Of course, if you really really hate kids, why not force such a wretched fate on one?  Ha...

Modifié par Beocat, 23 août 2010 - 03:17 .

[Esbatty]

Its not like they want to bang Varrren. Which are essentially space jackal/dogs. Space Jogs can't say no. And no means no.

[silentassassin264]

How about a Reaper and Shepard? If it is a human reaper, then it would still have some human DNA...



Cthullu babies! Yay!

[Wittand25]

Tirigon wrote...

UpDownLeftRight wrote...


Actually... "Free Will" doesn't exist. It is a mix of "Nature and Nurture".
Humans ARE bound by their programming. The difference between humans and other animals is the fact that humans have an illusion of free will.

This is wrong, and I can prove it: If nature would control us, we wouldn´t engage in pointless activities like debating on the internet, playing fantasy games etc.. as these do not increase our chances to spread our genes.

Arguing on an internet forum nothing more than a fight for dominance, which leeds to better breeding chances (or would if it was not an internetforum but someplace outside in the real world).
Fantasy games are a mental exercise of playing and problem solving, two very important skills for survival and spreading your genes.
Just because we do many things in our lives that are actually decreasing our mating chances does not mean that the motivation for that is not spreading our genes. It is a similar problem to that of a hedgehog and a  car, behavior ment to save your life can actually be lethal once the circumstances change.

[RobotNixon]

Is this thread real?

[General Douchington]

RobotNixon wrote...

Is this thread real?

No, you're dreaming.

[AresXX7]

Is this thread real?

No, you're dreaming.

please wake me up then

[Tirigon]

Wittand25 wrote...

Arguing on an internet forum nothing more than a fight for dominance, which leeds to better breeding chances (or would if it was not an internetforum but someplace outside in the real world).
Fantasy games are a mental exercise of playing and problem solving, two very important skills for survival and spreading your genes.
Just because we do many things in our lives that are actually decreasing our mating chances does not mean that the motivation for that is not spreading our genes. It is a similar problem to that of a hedgehog and a  car, behavior ment to save your life can actually be lethal once the circumstances change.

Or, you know, you´re just wrong and I do what I like because I like it. No Biology involved.

[JGDD]

Tirigon wrote...
Or, you know, you´re just wrong and I do what I like because I like it. No Biology involved.

You sure about that? It's in your very nature to sate desires and make you feel good.

[DarklightZERO]

www.youtube.com/watch

How many people in this trend are actally Mommies or Daddies?

[gi0m]

Tirigon wrote...

UpDownLeftRight wrote...


Actually... "Free Will" doesn't exist. It is a mix of "Nature and Nurture".
Humans ARE bound by their programming. The difference between humans and other animals is the fact that humans have an illusion of free will.

This is wrong, and I can prove it: If nature would control us, we wouldn´t engage in pointless activities like debating on the internet, playing fantasy games etc.. as these do not increase our chances to spread our genes.

The fact that you play fantasy games and that you are in this forum come from tons of factors that leaded you to act a certain way, in this case, go to this forum. I don't say we are robots with no decision making, but these decisions don't come from a imprint-virgin brain. We act like this because of this. Education, wellfare, people we met, environment, your genes etc. The very way you think is modeled since the very beginning.

You sure took the decision to come, but this decision is just a consequence of your environment. Same as that rabbit that'll turn left instead of right when chased by a fox.

[Raizo]

I wouldn't say it is completly impossible, I'm sure thier is at least 1 species ( not including the Asari ) in the ME Universe that can mate with another species and produce a viable offspring but I don't think any of the species we've seen so far ( once again ignoring the Asari ) are capable of inter-species childbirth. To be honest I don't have any interest in seeing somthing like this in the ME games. Maybe when Bioware is finsihed with ME3 and they move on to inevitable spin off games.

[Severyx]

People need to remember that this is Science Fiction, with real life science roots. We need to look at this from a viewpoint inside the ME universe.

I would think that (as I'm sure it has all already been argued) Asari would be the only species capable of bearing a cross-species child. In the case of quarians and turians, they are dextro-amino based, so pregnancy (especially from a species with a different protein base such as a human) is a definite no -even if- they had compatible genitals. Krogans, with their multiple backup organs and nervous system redundancy are hardly similar enough to humans or any other species to even be considered. Salarians have a very different birthing process (if I remember correctly they have eggs, not live birth) so again, no. You never see any quarian-turian hybrids or salarian-krogan genius-tanks. Yet?

While humans are still considered new to the galactic community, I'm pretty sure enough time has passed that if such things were possible (however awkward), we would have seen or at least heard of them by now. Probably in Omega.

Counter to this, the ME universe does hold humans as extremely genetically diverse compared to their alien friends - however, I don't see this as something that can be extended to the other sapient races in forms of interbreeding. EITHER WAY, from a gameplay and plot perspective, I think having a child in the mix in any case would detract from the flow of the game. I enjoy the romance plots, but I think the idea of children should be left out.

Kind of funny to think about this after considering the discovery inside the collector base. Talk about twisted forms of affection.

P.S. I don't know if this has already been noted or not (I didn't read all 13 pages of counter-counter-counter-arguments, I'M SORRY), but I believe the reason Liara did not have an asari child in ME2 if you chose to complete her romance sub-plot in ME1 was because maiden stage asari cannot bear children. As far as I know (correct me if I'm wrong, I'm a bit of a fact-freak), only matron stage asari can bear children, which is why asari may move to said stage early by some amount of years if they meld often In Ashely's case? I don't know. I always left her on Virmire.

Modifié par Severyx, 23 août 2010 - 01:30 .

[AngryFrozenWater]

SelkathKing wrote...

NO. It's not possible. It's worse than trying to mate an alligator with an ostrich. These aren't just two different species - they're two different species that EVOLVED ON OTHER PLANETS. Only the closest of relatives (species-wise) are able to mate, and the result is often a sterile freak (like a mule).

It's just a horrible question to ask.

Why not? The reapers do it all the time. That's how their species evolves. They mix genes and tech and they seem very good at it. So, no cookies for you.

[Count Viceroy]

This thread is funny.

[Whatever42]

silentassassin264 wrote...

How about a Reaper and Shepard? If it is a human reaper, then it would still have some human DNA...

Cthullu babies! Yay!

I think ME2 is all about the Reapers coming on to Shepard in order to reproduce. Although, being consumed and incorporated into the offspring turned out to be a little extreme for Shepard. Which is disappointing - I thought Shep would be more adventurous.

[Solaris Paradox]

Talking about this from a scientific perspective is pointless. If ME were scientific, there wouldn't be a race of hot, blue-skinned females whose most advertised racial trait is that they are an all-female race that can breed with virtually any species. And they wouldn't look like human females for no reason whatsoever. The asari exist because the idea of an all-female race that is both all-female and completely bisexual tickles the sex-appeal nerve, not because it makes any kind of scientific sense. That there are so many species that evolved along the "humanoid" line is stretching things enough by itself.



That being said, the point that if there were inter-species breeding apart from asari, we'd have seen it or heard of it, is a good one. Simply put, we've gone a whole two games without it coming up, so it's most likely not part of the universe.

[Tirigon]

gi0m wrote...

You sure took the decision to come, but this decision is just a consequence of your environment. Same as that rabbit that'll turn left instead of right when chased by a fox.

No they are not. My family is totally opposed to gaming, none of my friends is interested in RPGs etc...

So I rather act against my education than being led by it.