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[Thuggy]

Hadark wrote...

Not really in defense for OP but i did see something on the discovery channel, a few months ago. 
There are claims or theories found from egyptian dig sites supposedly proving that alien interferance was here.
That these aliens were trying to create a hybrid slave or worker class by combining species together. which was why there are many glyphs of human body/dog head type things everywhere as well as other combinations.

Discovery channels airs Stargate reruns now? >.>

[SelkathKing]

cold52 wrote...

ya know...inspite me believing it woulnt happen, or couldnt happen...its the future

better science and whatnot...id probably laugh my ass off at those people who dont think it possible(if i were alive to see it that is) if we ever did come into contact with several sentient species and with the help if science...well you know the rest

Funny thing is, that's not going to happen. FTL travel is impossible. Mass Effect makes it work by creating a fictional substance that allows FTL travel to work within the laws of physics. The chances for a substance like that existing is practically zero.

And, different sapient species would NEVER, and I mean NEVER be able to mate. Even if by some convoluted means they WERE to come in contact with each other.

[SelkathKing]

Synobal wrote...

SelkathKing wrote...

Klimy wrote...

SelkathKing wrote...

Klimy wrote...

So in games where there half-elf = elf + human is normal. Human + dwarf also possible (dont remember if such was ever mentioned) Hell, some games/movies have human + dragons or human + deamon!

So this is very hypothetical topic, discussing things that dont exists. For me Assari and maybe Quarian (need their face now) look very much human-ish. It is possible and not sick in any way... well maybe Human + Krogan is sick 

Games with elves and dwarves don't generally tend to stay inside the known laws of the Universe.

But Mass Effect is supposed to be REALISTIC. EVERYTHING in the game has a scientific explanation, even the FTL travel, which even Star Wars can't explain in their own Universe.

Ohh you sneaky-sneaky volus! Found a way to bash my point. Well then I need to change my tactics:
It's possible to have babies with Assari (dont need to explain)
As about other races well I dont know, we need to ask Bioware. But I bet they will find a way. You can explain even ghosts, so sci-fi is science but also fiction. That gives a room for a bit of fantasy.

Fantasy does not belong in Mass Effect. If 'element zero' existed - everything in Mass Effect should work. Asari are different. The 'father' species mating with an asari does not give ANY genetic material. The asari gives both chromosomes - both 'sex' cells. The father species is just a contruction guide on how to put them together.

And, I can explain ghosts. It's called a 'mental illness.' <_<

Damn someone should of told me kinetic barriers, thanix cannons and quantum entanglement communicators were based in actual scientific principles, I could of started development already! Just imagine the military contracts.

Damn it. Ummm, give me a minute.

Fine. Add all the fantasy you want to it. I'm normally on the side of the argument saying everything is impossible. Want to switch sides?

[Klimy]

SelkathKing wrote...

Damn it. Ummm, give me a minute.

Fine. Add all the fantasy you want to it. I'm normally on the side of the argument saying everything is impossible. Want to switch sides?

Yey we won! Lets celebrate, I buy beer for everyone!  Fantasy! Enchantment! 

[Mondo47]

SelkathKing wrote...

Funny thing is, that's not going to happen. FTL travel is impossible. Mass Effect makes it work by creating a fictional substance that allows FTL travel to work within the laws of physics. The chances for a substance like that existing is practically zero.

And, different sapient species would NEVER, and I mean NEVER be able to mate. Even if by some convoluted means they WERE to come in contact with each other.

While I agree with you there that different species from different worlds would not be able to produce offspring (especially considering the genetic model used for sapient life in the Mass Effect universe is one well-documented and regulated by existing biological science here on Earth, and we're yet to prove it wrong), I have to challenge the assertion that FTL travel is impossible. It's impossibilty is based only on limits of human engineering and current models of physics. Both could conceivably change at some point in the future - FTL is only impossible for now... much like powered flight, global telecommunications and space travel were 4,000 years ago.

And I refute the concept of Human / Krogan relationships as "sick" - what woman doesn't want a piece of Wrex?!?

Modifié par Mondo47, 16 août 2010 - 06:15 .

[tmk]

Synobal wrote...
Though I always find it strange, I can understand Asari having breasts but I don't see why they would have a vagina. If they do have one it would be a remnant of evolution and indicate at some point in their evolutionary past there was a male of the species. If they don't have one, well I guess we know where everyones sticking it.

Having some sort of a vagina analogue doesn't necessarily imply sexual differentiation (especially since their evolution didn't necessarily follow the same path as ours). Of course it being an erogenous zone is kinda iffy...

Hadark wrote...
There are claims or theories found from egyptian dig sites supposedly proving that alien interferance was here.
That these aliens were trying to create a hybrid slave or worker class by combining species together. which was why there are many glyphs of human body/dog head type things everywhere as well as other combinations.

Again, http://tvtropes.org/...in/LegoGenetics

Mondo47 wrote...
And I refute the concept of Human / Krogan relationships as "sick" - what woman doesn't want a piece of Wrex?!?

A cautious one? 

[SelkathKing]

Mondo47 wrote...

SelkathKing wrote...

Funny thing is, that's not going to happen. FTL travel is impossible. Mass Effect makes it work by creating a fictional substance that allows FTL travel to work within the laws of physics. The chances for a substance like that existing is practically zero.

And, different sapient species would NEVER, and I mean NEVER be able to mate. Even if by some convoluted means they WERE to come in contact with each other.

While I agree with you there that different species from different worlds would not be able to produce offspring (especially considering the genetic model used for sapient life in the Mass Effect universe is one well-documented and regulated by existing biological science here on Earth, and we're yet to prove it wrong), I have to challenge the assertion that FTL travel is impossible. It's impossibilty is based only on limits of human engineering and current models of physics. Both could conceivably change at some point in the future - FTL is only impossible for now... much like powered flight, global telecommunications and space travel were 4,000 years ago.

And I refute the concept of Human / Krogan relationships as "sick" - what woman doesn't want a piece of Wrex?!?

Human engineering capabilities will change. The model of physics won't. I'd recommend reading Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku. Although he goes to pretty radical lengths to try to list things as possible, that really aren't, he portrays FTL travel quite accurately. My only problem with that section of the book is that he gives more possibility to negative matter than it deserves. It is true, negative matter would make FTL travel possible - but it doesn't exist.

[Synobal]

tmk wrote...

Synobal wrote...
Though I always find it strange, I can understand Asari having breasts but I don't see why they would have a vagina. If they do have one it would be a remnant of evolution and indicate at some point in their evolutionary past there was a male of the species. If they don't have one, well I guess we know where everyones sticking it.

Having some sort of a vagina analogue doesn't necessarily imply sexual differentiation (especially since their evolution didn't necessarily follow the same path as ours). Of course it being an erogenous zone is kinda iffy...

That's sort what I was getting at they must have some sort of birth canal but since it isn't used in insemination, I doubt they get much from it.

[Annihilator27]

This is why we need to become Reapers.

[Eradyn]

@Synobal: Actually, quantum entanglement communicators, while stilwithin the realm of sci-fi, are solidly within the realm of realisticalyy possible. Do a quick google search of quantum teleportation. That facet of ME is good, solid sci-fi. And that is what ME strives to be: sci-fi. Not sci-fantasy and not fantasy. With sci-fi, it needs to sound scientifically plausible. It can't just be whipped out and then we're told it just is. Even eezo/mass effect fields, the most fantastical elements in ME, strive to expand within the established understanding of natural laws. But it does not seek to subvert them. There is no magic.

[Synobal]

Eradyn wrote...

@Synobal: Actually, quantum entanglement communicators, while stilwithin the realm of sci-fi, are solidly within the realm of realisticalyy possible. Do a quick google search of quantum teleportation. That facet of ME is good, solid sci-fi. And that is what ME strives to be: sci-fi. Not sci-fantasy and not fantasy. With sci-fi, it needs to sound scientifically plausible. It can't just be whipped out and then we're told it just is. Even eezo/mass effect fields, the most fantastical elements in ME, strive to expand within the established understanding of natural laws. But it does not seek to subvert them. There is no magic.

I did a quick google got this from wikipedia

Quantum teleportation, or entanglement-assisted teleportation, is a technique used to transfer quantum information from one quantum system to another. It does not transport the system itself, nor does it allow communication of information at superluminal (faster than light) speed. Neither does it concern rearranging the particles of a macroscopic object to copy the form of another object. 

So I'd have to disagree, mass effect didn't get that right.

Modifié par Synobal, 16 août 2010 - 07:02 .

[tmk]

Synobal wrote...
That's sort what I was getting at they must have some sort of birth canal but since it isn't used in insemination, I doubt they get much from it.

Well you were kinda implying that only sexually differentiated species could have evolved vaginas and the asari must have cloacas. Which isn't necessarily true. But yea, this isn't strictly on-topic either.

[Apophis2412]

Shadow_broker wrote...

Miranda and ashley are the only romances capable of getting knocked up, Jack is too drugged up and messed up

Interspecies pregnency is not only improbable it's wrong.

Sex is an act that happens with the consent of both involved parties. Sex is only wrong when one of the parties is incapable of making a rational or good desicion, as is the case with children and animals.

[Computer_God91]

SelkathKing wrote...

ShadoX_LV wrote...

I don't see any reason not to have this in the game.. its not like we would be forced to watch it happen.. they could just say that they recently found out that species X is able to mate with species Y. Its not like we would be asking to be able to do it with any race out there..

Or just let the doctors discover a way to make it happen.. heck, the people on BW were medic students.. they should know if that would be possible or not..

No, No, No, NO.

Mass Effect does its best to be realistic and not completely perverted. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE. AND JUST THINKING ABOUT IT IS SCREWED UP. You don't have sex with a dog hoping that you can have half-dog children. IT IS NOT NORMAL.

Question is why are you having sex with the dog in the first place?

[Computer_God91]

PWENER wrote...
This is one pointless thread.

1. Aliens aren't real

2. You can't have a baby with something other then your own species

3. Aliens aren't real

4. Shepard would't make a good father/mother yet

5. Dogs are man's best friend, and it stays there (you people are crazy)

6. Aliens don't exist, aren't real, ect.

7. SHUT UP

You should be saying aliens haven't been discovered yet. The universe is a vast place, there is simply too much space to have us be the only planet with life.

[ninja wannabe]

tmk wrote...

 Hey, humans and Vulcans can have children together... 

dude, your mixing up two different universes, this isn't star trek where you can throw some facial ornament on their head and call them an alien then give them some weird name and outfit and make everyone think that the show has more depth than it actually has.  This is Mass Effect where there is alot more thought put into the alien's psychology, culture, history and technology

[kraidy1117]

NO! NO! NO! NO!

[smecky-kitteh]

NO!

[Mondo47]

SelkathKing wrote...

Mondo47 wrote...

SelkathKing wrote...

Funny thing is, that's not going to happen. FTL travel is impossible. Mass Effect makes it work by creating a fictional substance that allows FTL travel to work within the laws of physics. The chances for a substance like that existing is practically zero.

And, different sapient species would NEVER, and I mean NEVER be able to mate. Even if by some convoluted means they WERE to come in contact with each other.

While I agree with you there that different species from different worlds would not be able to produce offspring (especially considering the genetic model used for sapient life in the Mass Effect universe is one well-documented and regulated by existing biological science here on Earth, and we're yet to prove it wrong), I have to challenge the assertion that FTL travel is impossible. It's impossibilty is based only on limits of human engineering and current models of physics. Both could conceivably change at some point in the future - FTL is only impossible for now... much like powered flight, global telecommunications and space travel were 4,000 years ago.

And I refute the concept of Human / Krogan relationships as "sick" - what woman doesn't want a piece of Wrex?!?

Human engineering capabilities will change. The model of physics won't. I'd recommend reading Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku. Although he goes to pretty radical lengths to try to list things as possible, that really aren't, he portrays FTL travel quite accurately. My only problem with that section of the book is that he gives more possibility to negative matter than it deserves. It is true, negative matter would make FTL travel possible - but it doesn't exist.

Got that book - right next to my copy of Hyperspace too. All I'm saying is given a long enough span of time almost all scientific laws are refuted, refined or replaced. Saying something is impossible just because it currently is does not mean it is an immutable fact. I'm not a fan of some of Kaku's theories (he does know how to write physics in a way that almost anyone can interface with, so big props there - unlike a certain Mr Hawking *ahem* ), but I have to concur with his approach to exotic matter... I mean, can you prove to me now it doesn't exist?

I happen to believe in the non-constant model of lightspeed too. Hey, have we derailed this from whether Tali and Shep can have kids yet or what?

[Kriztaen]

*Does his best Matthew Mcconaughey voice impression*

*Picks up pink toothbrush with the tip of finger as an obscure reference to a chick flick*

"No no no no no n---ononononononono!"

Also just trying to take the topic in a serious fashion and really think over the possibilities leaves me with only one way to express my discomfort -

That pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject.

Modifié par Kriztaen, 16 août 2010 - 07:50 .

[tonnactus]

tmk wrote...

 Hey, humans and Vulcans can have children together... 

And its dumb as hell. Even dumber then breathing masks in vacuum.

[Mcovin]

though it is a probably mostly impossible, maybe there could be interspecies pregnancy.



chromosomes would have to be very close to the same, i speculate tht quarians would be the only possibility, even then the offspring would most likely be a steril-freaky mutant thingy...thing

[kraidy1117]

tonnactus wrote...

tmk wrote...

 Hey, humans and Vulcans can have children together... 

And its dumb as hell. Even dumber then breathing masks in vacuum.

I hate those breathing masks.

[Kitteh303]

I just threw up in my mouth a little.





In all seriousness, no. Just... no.