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[InvisiShepard]

I think a lot of you here are either religiously conservative or simply don't know what you are talking about. There is no moral quandary here, if having children with the aliens is sick and disgusting then any sort of romance is as well (You should only romance the human characters then). But it's acceptable BECAUSE they are all sapient and we see them as equals but simply evolved in different environments.

There is nothing WRONG or SICK & DISGUSTING but the fact that having children with a completely different species is biologically impossible and even if we had a Human/Vulcan situation, the children would probably be sterile as in the case of Mules, Ligers and other hybrids.

If tomorrow Bioware said that Humans and Quarians are actually the same species because the "Sowers" planted us on different planets then having children wouldn't make me faceplam and would be ok. Sterility and all that can be hand-waved and the hybrid would obviously look like a Half-Elf to a Human & Elf. Sapient =/= Beastiality

Finally, that Wrex/Shepard picture is really cute and adorable, the trope is called Ugly Cute. The half-lings look like something from DBZ not surprising considering the artist is Japanese. 

Modifié par InvisiShepard, 17 août 2010 - 10:32 .

[Tirigon]

tmk wrote...

As if you expected a "can i has baby quarianz" thread to go somewhere sane to begin with...

Well, quarians are a perversion to start with, sooooo......


All ally with the Geth and wipe them out. Problem solved:devil::devil:

[Klimy]

lol page 6 of this thread is the killer Laughed my ass off that people were discussing that dolphins rape humans and so on... damn, didn't laugh that hard in a long time. you all sick people hahahahaha

[Tirigon]

AntiChri5 wrote...



Sneaky pics not doing what i tell them......

Wow the girl looks goood. Why can´t you make a FemShep like that?!

[Tirigon]

Klimy wrote...

lol page 6 of this thread is the killer Laughed my ass off that people were discussing that dolphins rape humans and so on... damn, didn't laugh that hard in a long time. you all sick people hahahahaha

Welll, I prefer dolphins raping people over russians raping people.

Modifié par Tirigon, 17 août 2010 - 11:43 .

[Klimy]

Tirigon wrote...

Klimy wrote...

lol page 6 of this thread is the killer Laughed my ass off that people were discussing that dolphins rape humans and so on... damn, didn't laugh that hard in a long time. you all sick people hahahahaha

Welll, I prefer dolphins raping people over russians raping people.

o_0 you are lost to humanity. Don't know why you pulled Russians into this, but probably something to do with your phobias. I personally prefer that noone be raped at all. ... dolphins..lol.. still laughing...

Modifié par Klimy, 17 août 2010 - 11:54 .

[Tirigon]

Klimy wrote...


o_0 you are lost to humanity. Don't know why you pulled Russians into this, but probably something to do with your phobias. I personally prefer that noone be raped at all. ... dolphins..lol.. still laughing...

I don´t have phobias. I brought russians into this simply because you stated somewhere else that you´re russian.

Anyways, i agree it´s best if noone is raped.

[Klimy]

Tirigon wrote...

I don´t have phobias. I brought russians into this simply because you stated somewhere else that you´re russian.

Next time try something better, Im not easily offended, while your image gets easily degradated by such posts...it wasn't funny.<_<

Modifié par Klimy, 17 août 2010 - 12:21 .

[C9316]

Tirigon wrote...

AntiChri5 wrote...



Sneaky pics not doing what i tell them......

Wow the girl looks goood. Why can´t you make a FemShep like that?!

Wow...... just wow completly disregard the disturbing parts of this image. This is why there will never be interspecies pregnancy(Asides from Human X Asari), now if you excuse me I must gouge my eyes out.

[SelkathKing]

InvisiShepard wrote...

I think a lot of you here are either religiously conservative or simply don't know what you are talking about. There is no moral quandary here, if having children with the aliens is sick and disgusting then any sort of romance is as well (You should only romance the human characters then). But it's acceptable BECAUSE they are all sapient and we see them as equals but simply evolved in different environments.

There is nothing WRONG or SICK & DISGUSTING but the fact that having children with a completely different species is biologically impossible and even if we had a Human/Vulcan situation, the children would probably be sterile as in the case of Mules, Ligers and other hybrids.

If tomorrow Bioware said that Humans and Quarians are actually the same species because the "Sowers" planted us on different planets then having children wouldn't make me faceplam and would be ok. Sterility and all that can be hand-waved and the hybrid would obviously look like a Half-Elf to a Human & Elf. Sapient =/= Beastiality

Finally, that Wrex/Shepard picture is really cute and adorable, the trope is called Ugly Cute. The half-lings look like something from DBZ not surprising considering the artist is Japanese. 

It's SICK because the children would be sterile freaks. It's SICK because it's probably some sick component of some pervert's Mass Effect fantasy. It's WRONG because it's biologically impossible, and screws with Mass Effect, which tries to keep things realistic, to some degree.

[SelkathKing]

IanPolaris wrote...

SelkathKing wrote...

Human engineering capabilities will change. The model of physics won't. I'd recommend reading Physics of the Impossible by Michio Kaku. Although he goes to pretty radical lengths to try to list things as possible, that really aren't, he portrays FTL travel quite accurately. My only problem with that section of the book is that he gives more possibility to negative matter than it deserves. It is true, negative matter would make FTL travel possible - but it doesn't exist.

Actually your source is out-dated.  Dark energy which has an effective negative curvature on space-time and thus is effectively 'negative mass' (per mass-energy equivalnace) does exist and it's existance is fundamental to cutting edge models of the inflationary model of the universe and have been since the turn of the century.

I'm not saying that harnessing such energy for FTL Alcuberri Warp Drives would be easy or cheap, but global FTL travel does lie within the bounds of possible physical abeit just barely (and btw because of this so does time travel...it turns out the two are equivalent).

-Polaris

Dark energy does not give off a negative gravitational pull, which is why Negative Matter is essential to the idea of FTL travel. Humans don't know much about Dark Energy, from what I know, so I'm going to groundhog it out for a few decades to see if we can learn a bit more about it.

[IanPolaris]

SelkathKing wrote...

Dark energy does not give off a negative gravitational pull, which is why Negative Matter is essential to the idea of FTL travel. Humans don't know much about Dark Energy, from what I know, so I'm going to groundhog it out for a few decades to see if we can learn a bit more about it.

Don't argue physics with a physicist.  I am not talking about "Dark Matter" which is the missing matter in the various Galaxy.  I am talking about DARK ENERGY which has a net repulsive effect (in effect negative space time curvature) and is causing the universe not only to expand but to increase that rate of expansion.  Edit:  Yes this does mean that DARK ENERGY exerts a negative gravitational pull.  It has to.

It's the latest thing in Astrophysics and Cosmology and ground breaking work has been done since the turn of the century, but the fact is that YES the latest evidence is that Mass-Energy that has a net negative zero-point mass does in fact seem to exist and since it seems to exist, FTL (global FTL....local FTL is of course flatly impossible) is possible within our understanding of physics if only barely.

These days you will not find a responsible physicist familiar with the latest in Astrophysics and Cosmology that will make the flat statements you have.  Most physicists today regard FTL as presented by Sci-Fi series to be almost pure hokum, that's true, but most agree that it's just barely possible within our understanding of physics (and many like Hawking are deeply disturbed by it because it also implies time travel....and so look for ways that is should be impossible).

Bottom line:  What you said about FTL was the physicists bible.....about fifteen years ago.  That was until a straight line projection of the universe's expansion gave a date for the big-bang that was five billion years too soon (that was in 1995).  Since then the existance of Dark Energy (with a negative stress-energy tensor and thus effectively negative mass) has been pretty much confirmed, but no one knows what this type of energy is or what it's properties are (at least to my knowledge).  There is much speculation....and within that speculation Global FTL is still remotely possible.

-Polaris

Modifié par IanPolaris, 17 août 2010 - 04:05 .

[HK-90210]

Back on topic, the best kind of compromise I can come up with on interspecies pregnancy is this:
Babies can be had between two opposite-sex members of different species. The only way this is possible is that the baby is grown(or at lest fertilized) in a lab, and the egg or sperm is genetically modified to fit the biology of one of the two species. It is most likely that the egg could not be changed, so the baby would probably have to be the same species as the mother. With all the technology we've seen in ME(They brought Shepard back to life!), I don't think that this level of genetic modification would be out of the question.

This way, there is not a 'hybrid' baby, but it is possile to have a child with a member of another species. It wouldn't be a 'true' child, since there would abe a lot of genetic modification involved. But it would be the closest thing you could get.

At least, that's the only 'logical' explanation I can see.

[IanPolaris]

CastonFolarus wrote...

Back on topic, the best kind of compromise I can come up with on interspecies pregnancy is this:
Babies can be had between two opposite-sex members of different species. The only way this is possible is that the baby is grown(or at lest fertilized) in a lab, and the egg or sperm is genetically modified to fit the biology of one of the two species. It is most likely that the egg could not be changed, so the baby would probably have to be the same species as the mother. With all the technology we've seen in ME(They brought Shepard back to life!), I don't think that this level of genetic modification would be out of the question.

This way, there is not a 'hybrid' baby, but it is possile to have a child with a member of another species. It wouldn't be a 'true' child, since there would abe a lot of genetic modification involved. But it would be the closest thing you could get.

At least, that's the only 'logical' explanation I can see.

This approach while the most reasonable is impossible with Quarians/Turians and other species because of Chirality.

-Polaris

[Sigma Tauri]

IanPolaris wrote...

CastonFolarus wrote...

Back on topic, the best kind of compromise I can come up with on interspecies pregnancy is this:
Babies can be had between two opposite-sex members of different species. The only way this is possible is that the baby is grown(or at lest fertilized) in a lab, and the egg or sperm is genetically modified to fit the biology of one of the two species. It is most likely that the egg could not be changed, so the baby would probably have to be the same species as the mother. With all the technology we've seen in ME(They brought Shepard back to life!), I don't think that this level of genetic modification would be out of the question.

This way, there is not a 'hybrid' baby, but it is possile to have a child with a member of another species. It wouldn't be a 'true' child, since there would abe a lot of genetic modification involved. But it would be the closest thing you could get.

At least, that's the only 'logical' explanation I can see.

This approach while the most reasonable is impossible with Quarians/Turians and other species because of Chirality.

-Polaris

That approach makes a lot of basic assumptions about alien reproduction in the first place.

[Tirigon]

Klimy wrote...

Next time try something better, Im not easily offended, while your image gets easily degradated by such posts...it wasn't funny.<_<

Not for a Russian, obviously. For others it was funny. Even more so if you know a bit about history.

[Tirigon]

C9316 wrote...



Wow...... just wow completly disregard the disturbing parts of this image. This is why there will never be interspecies pregnancy(Asides from Human X Asari), now if you excuse me I must gouge my eyes out.

What disturbing parts? I don´t see anything disturbing in this image. Wrex´s smile shows him as a very loving father, I think.
Well, the babies are ugly, but honestly they still don´t look as disgusting as human babies do.

[Tirigon]

SelkathKing wrote...

It's SICK because the children would be sterile freaks

Well, mules are very useful animals.  And many crossbred dogs are liked as company for humans. They are not fond of being called sterile freaks, please apologize.

[InvisiShepard]

Okay so back in the day it was BLACK people, then it was GAY people and now it's STERILE people. Are people just functionally pre-disposed to bigotry?



Are you going to call a bunch of people who due to some genetic defect were born sterile but are otherwise normal FREAKS? Does that make Monica from FRIENDS a freak too?



You Mr SelkathKing are the FREAK for being a bigot with the mentality of a 14th century conservative

[Whatever42]

Considering that there would be profound differences in the DNA, I don't believe a reasonable synthesis could be attempted even in a lab. A human-pig hybrid would be simply by comparison.



You might be able to mangle something together but it really wouldn't be the biological child of the parents, more of a frankenstein child of the parents. And then, care would be required to ensure that its biology and chemistry was compatible with the mother, unless you were going to gestate it in a lab as well. And all that would beg the question, why exactly are you doing this?



So, sorry, no little krogans suckling on Femsheps teat.

[Whatever42]

I am rather curious, though. If inter-specisis relationships between very physicologically different beings is acceptable to people, does that mean that having a torrid love affair with your pet pitbull is acceptable if we could boost its IQ 40 points?

I know, old debate.

Modifié par Whatever666343431431654324, 17 août 2010 - 07:27 .

[InvisiShepard]

IQ is a stupid concept and not a good measure of true intelligence.
Plus we are talking about sapience here.S-A-P-I-E-N-C-E. If dogs were Sapient, we obviously wouldn't have them as pets and be on equal footing. Taking it a little further, I would totally have a SAPIENT Fox girlfriend. She would be Foxy and I would call her Roxy 

I seriously hope we never encounter another intelligent species because our bigotry and conservativeness would be the end of us all. In the words of Harbinger... YOU ARE PRIMITIVE

Modifié par InvisiShepard, 17 août 2010 - 07:41 .

[IanPolaris]

Honestly a torrid love affair between different species is science fantasy (and IMHO bad science fantasy) anyway. At least in ME1, we are given a reason (although one full of holes if you look at it closely) for why the Asari are the way they are. However, in general, Sapient or not, "Love" (in the Romantic/Sexual way I mean) is largely driven by biology. I don't see a human being any more attracted to say a Turian or Hannar, then he (or she) would to a lobster (and arguably less).



Friendship? Yes. Devotion? I can even see that. Love (in the Romantic way)? No. The biological hardwiring would simply not be there.



-Polaris

[Whatever42]

InvisiShepard wrote...

IQ is a stupid concept and not a good measure of true intelligence.
Plus we are talking about sapience here.S-A-P-I-E-N-C-E. If dogs were Sapient, we obviously wouldn't have them as pets and be on equal footing.

Raise its IQ 40 points and it would be sapient. And you're correct that IQ is a limited measure of some left brain ability; I simply meant if you increased its intelligence. Ok, so if your boyfriend/girlfriend was swapped into the body of St. Bernard, it sounds like a lot of people could deal with that. I'm not judging mind you, I just find it interesting.

[InvisiShepard]

IanPolaris wrote...

Honestly a torrid love affair between different species is science fantasy (and IMHO bad science fantasy) anyway. At least in ME1, we are given a reason (although one full of holes if you look at it closely) for why the Asari are the way they are. However, in general, Sapient or not, "Love" (in the Romantic/Sexual way I mean) is largely driven by biology. I don't see a human being any more attracted to say a Turian or Hannar, then he (or she) would to a lobster (and arguably less).

Friendship? Yes. Devotion? I can even see that. Love (in the Romantic way)? No. The biological hardwiring would simply not be there.

-Polaris

We can't be sure because we have never encountered another species on our level. Provided we encountered something like the Asari where certain features are appealing and our cultures were reletively similar, a romantic relationship could happen. Romance/Love is purely sociological/psychological. Sex is physiological