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[Tirigon]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

I am rather curious, though. If inter-specisis relationships between very physicologically different beings is acceptable to people, does that mean that having a torrid love affair with your pet pitbull is acceptable if we could boost its IQ 40 points?

I know, old debate.

My opinion is (unfortunately) hardly representative, but: Yes, if the pitbull wants it too it´s fine. I mean, come on, it´s between YOU and YOUR PITBULL. I have really no business with what you´re doing, nor does anyone else.
Personally I find the thought of sex with a pitbull disgusting, but hey, to each his own. I don´t see any valid reason why you shouldn´t be allowed to engage in whatever you want as long as it harms noone.

[Tirigon]

IanPolaris wrote...

Honestly a torrid love affair between different species is science fantasy (and IMHO bad science fantasy) anyway. At least in ME1, we are given a reason (although one full of holes if you look at it closely) for why the Asari are the way they are. However, in general, Sapient or not, "Love" (in the Romantic/Sexual way I mean) is largely driven by biology. I don't see a human being any more attracted to say a Turian or Hannar, then he (or she) would to a lobster (and arguably less).

Friendship? Yes. Devotion? I can even see that. Love (in the Romantic way)? No. The biological hardwiring would simply not be there.

-Polaris

Seriously? That´s bullsh!t. If "love" was nothing but the urge to spread your genes there would be no homosexuality either, and perversions like Zoophilia, necrophilia etc... wouldn´t exist because they don´t allow procreation.

NOTE FOR THE SAKE OF POLITICAL CORRECTNESS: I AM TOTALLY NOT JUDING ANY OF THE MENTIONED THINGS, AND IF YOU FEEL LIKE FLAMING ME F*CK OFF.

Modifié par Tirigon, 17 août 2010 - 07:49 .

[InvisiShepard]

If Pitbulls were sapient AND people found them appealing. Sure, go have a relationship. Society should NEVER have any say in what happens between two consenting adults be it love or lust as long as it does not harm or encroach upon others.

[InvisiShepard]

I think IanPolaris is focusing too much on the biological and the assumption that we can ONLY be attracted to those of same species and we can procreate with which is not the case. Again, love is psychological

[Whatever42]

InvisiShepard wrote...

If Pitbulls were sapient AND people found them appealing. Sure, go have a relationship. Society should NEVER have any say in what happens between two consenting adults be it love or lust as long as it does not harm or encroach upon others.

Oh, I wasn't commenting on what was legal or should be legal. Dipping your genitals in hot wax is legal and should remain legal. I just find it interesting that people could be physically attracted to such very different animals.

I guess you could argue that its all mental - that people are in love with each other's souls and that the physical bodies are irrelevant that its all mystical spirtual connection. But unless you're an asari, I don't buy it. I think there are a lot of very kinky people about.

[InvisiShepard]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

InvisiShepard wrote...

If Pitbulls were sapient AND people found them appealing. Sure, go have a relationship. Society should NEVER have any say in what happens between two consenting adults be it love or lust as long as it does not harm or encroach upon others.

Oh, I wasn't commenting on what was legal or should be legal. Dipping your genitals in hot wax is legal and should remain legal. I just find it interesting that people could be physically attracted to such very different animals.

I guess you could argue that its all mental - that people are in love with each other's souls and that the physical bodies are irrelevant that its all mystical spirtual connection. But unless you're an asari, I don't buy it. I think there are a lot of very kinky people about.

You don't buy it? How do you explain zoophilia and other perversions where people are attracted to and in fact are aroused by non-human stuff? There is this woman who married the Eiffel Tower because she has a condition causing her to be attracted to objects and specifically... poles. http://www.independe...wer-832519.html

You don't have to buy it. But it happens. Again, if we could have intelligent conversations with non-human creatures who had their own society then there would be no stigma attached to having a relationship with them except for the occasional bigotry. But we see that with people of different skin color/religion/caste, forget species

Kinkiness is just a funny word for something you find arousing

Modifié par InvisiShepard, 17 août 2010 - 08:00 .

[Tirigon]

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Oh, I wasn't commenting on what was legal or should be legal. Dipping your genitals in hot wax is legal and should remain legal. I just find it interesting that people could be physically attracted to such very different animals.

I guess you could argue that its all mental - that people are in love with each other's souls and that the physical bodies are irrelevant that its all mystical spirtual connection. But unless you're an asari, I don't buy it. I think there are a lot of very kinky people about.

The looks decide who finds together, but the character decides who stays together.


Good old saying, and very true.

[IanPolaris]

InvisiShepard wrote...

We can't be sure because we have never encountered another species on our level. Provided we encountered something like the Asari where certain features are appealing and our cultures were reletively similar, a romantic relationship could happen. Romance/Love is purely sociological/psychological. Sex is physiological 

No.  Love is driven by a fundamental biological/psysiological component.  [In ME the Asari are definately a special case].  The whole point of "Love" is to encourage social familial bonding.  The problem in ME (like most Sci-Fi) is that the aliens are really humans in rubber suits.

Leadership?  Friendship?  Even Devotion I see crossing species lines.  Romantic Love?  No.

-Polaris

Edit:  I will exclude from this discussion those that have pyshcological and/or pysiological disorders that indicate a faulty 'hardwiring' in their sex drive (I am refering to bestiality and other similiar conditions).  The fact is that attraction across totally alien species should be even more outre than being attracted to a lobster or crab.

Modifié par IanPolaris, 17 août 2010 - 08:11 .

[IanPolaris]

InvisiShepard wrote...

I think IanPolaris is focusing too much on the biological and the assumption that we can ONLY be attracted to those of same species and we can procreate with which is not the case. Again, love is psychological

I'm sorry but that's not true.  ROMANTIC Love is based on the biological.  It always has been.  Baring those people with faulty attraction cues (eg bestiality and the like), Love is the end result of sexual attraction.  It always has been (even in the cases of bestality and such).  If Bestality is considered a disease (and it is) then so would attraction to a completely different alien species.

-Polaris

[Whatever42]

InvisiShepard wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

InvisiShepard wrote...

If Pitbulls were sapient AND people found them appealing. Sure, go have a relationship. Society should NEVER have any say in what happens between two consenting adults be it love or lust as long as it does not harm or encroach upon others.

Oh, I wasn't commenting on what was legal or should be legal. Dipping your genitals in hot wax is legal and should remain legal. I just find it interesting that people could be physically attracted to such very different animals.

I guess you could argue that its all mental - that people are in love with each other's souls and that the physical bodies are irrelevant that its all mystical spirtual connection. But unless you're an asari, I don't buy it. I think there are a lot of very kinky people about.

You don't buy it? How do you explain zoophilia and other perversions where people are attracted to and in fact are aroused by non-human stuff? There is this woman who married the Eiffel Tower because she has a condition causing her to be attracted to objects and specifically... poles. http://www.independe...wer-832519.html

You don't have to buy it. But it happens. Again, if we could have intelligent conversations with non-human creatures who had their own society then there would be no stigma attached to having a relationship with them except for the occasional bigotry. But we see that with people of different skin color/religion/caste, forget species

Kinkiness is just a funny word for something you find arousing

Oh, I agree with you 100%. I am perhaps expressing myself poorly. I do think that a lot of people are sexually open to these kinds of relationships and if you removed the stigma then a lot of people would embrace it.  I was simply expressing my doubt that people are looking past the phsyical, that there is physical attraction there for a lot of people.

Basically, I'm saying that if you're attracted romantically to Wrex, you pretty much have a thing for large lizards.

[Whatever42]

Tirigon wrote...

Whatever666343431431654324 wrote...

Oh, I wasn't commenting on what was legal or should be legal. Dipping your genitals in hot wax is legal and should remain legal. I just find it interesting that people could be physically attracted to such very different animals.

I guess you could argue that its all mental - that people are in love with each other's souls and that the physical bodies are irrelevant that its all mystical spirtual connection. But unless you're an asari, I don't buy it. I think there are a lot of very kinky people about.

The looks decide who finds together, but the character decides who stays together.


Good old saying, and very true.

Or sometimes inertia just decides who stays together! But I agree. I'm just facinated by what some people are attracted to. Again, I'm not judging. I'm not even pretending not to judge. It's just interesting to me.

I wonder if women are more open than men to these kinds of relationships. I mean generally Asari are just women spray painted blue. Even Tali (from what we can see) is just a three fingered girl with satyr legs. A little bestial, in a greek sort of way. But the female LIs are far more alien, often not even mammals.

Its not too different than going back ot greek mythology. Zues took some very non-human forms to seduce his mortal women.

[Ultai]

AntiChri5 wrote...



Sneaky pics not doing what i tell them......

Absolutely amazing. :|

[Fanbus]

AntiChri5 wrote...

I've no problem with femshep having an affair with wrex or whom ever is represented in that pic. It's the idea of a mammal giving birth and breast feeding a cold blooded reptile creature that's where I cringe.

Kind of like a great ape breat feeding and giving birth to alligators. Something fundamentally flawed in that equation.

It's kind of like the new female Dragonkin of D&D 4th edition having breasts. I mean come on!

[tmk]

IanPolaris wrote...
No.  Love is driven by a fundamental biological/psysiological component.  [In ME the Asari are definately a special case].  The whole point of "Love" is to encourage social familial bonding.  The problem in ME (like most Sci-Fi) is that the aliens are really humans in rubber suits.

Leadership?  Friendship?  Even Devotion I see crossing species lines.  Romantic Love?  No.

There is no "point of love". It wasn't "designed" for some specific purpose. As long as reproduction is within the subset of what it tends to encourage, it is an evolutionarily feasible trait, and there's nothing to say that it can't be experienced with alien species (provided of course that they have evolved something similar - but it's not unreasonable that they would).

[Inquisitor Recon]

Why is this suggestion still around? What the hell is wrong here? I can't express my rage enough with a keyboard, I must go find pictures to do it.

[PWENER]

This thread should die... soon.

[PWENER]

Posting in this thread.



Heavy risk...

[tmk]

InvisiShepard wrote...

Okay so back in the day it was BLACK people, then it was GAY people and now it's STERILE people. Are people just functionally pre-disposed to bigotry?



Are you going to call a bunch of people who due to some genetic defect were born sterile but are otherwise normal FREAKS? Does that make Monica from FRIENDS a freak too?

Freak or not, being sterile is a disability. As in, a person who is sterile cannot do something that most people can. Which, arguably, is not something parents would want for their children.

[Tirigon]

IanPolaris wrote...

I'm sorry but that's not true.  ROMANTIC Love is based on the biological.  It always has been.  Baring those people with faulty attraction cues (eg bestiality and the like), Love is the end result of sexual attraction.  It always has been (even in the cases of bestality and such).  If Bestality is considered a disease (and it is) then so would attraction to a completely different alien species.

-Polaris

Thanks for ignoring my previous post, but you´re still wrong. Ignoring facts can´t undo them.

Also, bestiality is not as such a disease. It´s just a weird taste. Nothing wrong with it, though. It´s not your business unless you are attracted to animals yourself.

[Tirigon]

tmk wrote...

Freak or not, being sterile is a disability. As in, a person who is sterile cannot do something that most people can. Which, arguably, is not something parents would want for their children.

Again, you are assuming. I disagree. Sterility is a great advantage as it avoids the need for contraceptives, and creating new children is terrible. There are way too many humans already, everyone who doesn´t have children does the world a favor.

And please, stop equating disabled with freak. That´s not only very offensive but also incredibly stupid and results in people thinking of you as fascist idiot.

[tmk]

Tirigon wrote...
Again, you are assuming. I disagree. Sterility is a great advantage as it avoids the need for contraceptives, and creating new children is terrible. There are way too many humans already, everyone who doesn´t have children does the world a favor.

The only thing I am assuming is that my children would want to make their own decisions on that matter.

Tirigon wrote...
And please, stop equating disabled with freak. That´s not only very offensive but also incredibly stupid and results in people thinking of you as fascist idiot.

I am not equating them with freaks. However, they would likely be seen as freaks by their own peers, regardless of my opinion on that.

[Tirigon]

tmk wrote...

I am not equating them with freaks. However, they would likely be seen as freaks by their own peers, regardless of my opinion on that.

My pity if that´s the case where you´re from. Where I live most people don´t think like that, and if I see one that does I´ll kick him in the quad so that he, too, is sterile:devil:

[Jigero]

Well first of all it's probably not possible, because if i was we would have heard of it by now, the species have been mingling for an a long time and never once is it even referenced at even the hint of the a possibility that it could even have a chance of happening.



Also it couldn't happen because non of the species we could do it with are even remotely similar enough for it to happen. Right off the bat you could do it with Turians or Quarians because of the different amino acids.



And whats left, Salarians, would be impossible because they don't even have intercourse and they look more like amphibians then anything close to mammalian.

Krogan? Look more like reptiles so that wouldn't really work.

Vorcha? we don't even know if they even reproduce sexually or have different genders.

Bitarin ? maybe but highly unlikely they seem similar to arachnids.

Drell ? reptiles, so wouldn't work out

Hanar? uh yea good luck with that.

Elcor? Maybe, they are the only Mammalian ape like species similar to us.

Volus? probably impossible.



well you could possible splice Asari and Human Dna together, they are awfully similar.

[Chrono Mizaki]

Well, we could always argue that it's sick and immoral for cross-species babies to be introduced and such... But, uhhh...



Didn't we have the same argument over 50 years ago where Indian males and white women could have mixed-race children together, and it was seen sick by the public?



And lest not forget that it was considered sick back in the middle ages for a noble woman and a peasent man to have children.



Or for two guys to have sex together.



/dodge incoming fire

[Whatever42]

Chrono Mizaki wrote...

Well, we could always argue that it's sick and immoral for cross-species babies to be introduced and such... But, uhhh...

Didn't we have the same argument over 50 years ago where Indian males and white women could have mixed-race children together, and it was seen sick by the public?

And lest not forget that it was considered sick back in the middle ages for a noble woman and a peasent man to have children.

Or for two guys to have sex together.

/dodge incoming fire

Just because the line moves doesn't mean it can move anywhere.