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night0205 wrote...

Why do people hate Morrigan so much? Or Loghain... I found Loghain to be a very good misunderstood bad guy. And Morrigan, of course she's heartless, but that's the whole point.


You may want to come join us in the "Loghain = Deep Character" thread several threads down from this one. Pretty much every other thread that ever mentions him devolves into a gigantic "we hate Loghain, he's so evil" argument. Seriously. Dude is like a black hole... all other threads eventually get consumed by the haters focusing on him. Image IPB

Also, if wondering why people hate him so much... go check out the 35+ pages of the "You've Got To Be Kidding Me" thread. That one is the most recent public flogging of Loghain I can recall. I think the wildfire may have finally started to simmer down now, though...

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TEEEGAHN, YEW MUST COUME WEETH MEEE AHLOAAN, TEEEGAHN!

I couldn't wait to kill her.

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Dagna's dad (those who've played the Dwarf Commoner origin might understand why)

I did play it and I don't get why. Is it because his store is in the old carta hideout? He bought it after Beraht died and had no idea. Is it because he doesn't want his daughter to go up to the Surface and lose everything she has in Orzammar to go live a dream he, like many parents, can't understand in a completely new place and never be able to change her mind? That bastard!



Your parents as the Human Noble - I know they're your parents, but you've been playing the game for an hour (at most) at this point. You don't feel like you have the relationship that you have with them.

I understand not connecting to them in the two conversations you get with them pre-massacre but why hate them for this?



Personally, I despise Vartag Gavorn and House Ivo. Just...House Ivo. Frandlin, Wojech, AND Loilinar all bother me. A lot.

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*hugs Loghain* Bah if you don't like him, that's more Loghain for me!

OK, seriously... A lot of the characters are multi-layered so if you take time to dig a little deeper, you'll find someone a little more sympathetic, or at least understandable, underneath. Morrigan does have a heart, as does Zevran. Leliana isn't just about the Maker. Sten actually has a pretty good sense of humour. Loghain really is trying to do the right thing for Fereldan, though he's going the wrong way about it. Wynne...urgh...well I struggle to justify Wynne.

One reason I really enjoy playing mages is that I can leave Wynne at the tower. Yes, you're forced to take her on the Circle quest, (well, you can kill her, but I feel bad about killing the other mages who are with her. Except for Keili, silly cow) but you can dump her after that.
I love running into Ines in Awakening who hates Wynne and says "the Fade shines out of her bum."
Wynne comes across nice and motherly at first but she is a hypocrite. She spends half the game lecturing you on your duties as a Grey Warden but if you're a mage, when she runs into Aneirin she suggests to you that you return to the Circle and become First Enchanter. No lady, I'm out of that prison, thankyou very much. And, y'know, warden and all that.
There was a thread on here a while back suggesting that her fade spirit was really a pride demon. Wouldn't surprise me.
Still, on games where I'm not playing a mage and am not planning on doing the dark ritual, I pretty much have to take her. And that ticks me off. I wish we could have had Jowan instead.

Eamon. Now there's a man I can't like and I get increasingly angry with every game where I'm forced to go look for the damn ashes. Now I'm obviously coming from the angle of someone who likes Loghain and Anora, so Eamon's attempt to replace Anora with Alistair doesn't sit well with me. First and foremost, here's a man who sends the son Maric has entrusted him with off to the Chantry because his stupid cow of a wife stamps her daintly shod foot...who has spent much of Alistair's childhood telling him that he mustn't have any ambitions to the throne yet as soon as Cailan is dead, does a complete 360 and starts pushing Alistair at the throne despite the fact Alistair doesn't want it and despite the fact Anora is already popular with the commoners and well respected by the nobles and foreign leaders. Essentially, he wants to put a clueless, untrained, untried and reluctant king on the throne instead of a capable ruler who has five years of practise during a time of crisis. He's a fricking idiot and I wish there was an option not to go for the ashes just so that I can leave him to die.

Then we have his stupid Orlesian **** of a wife, who by keeping Connor's mage abilities secret, made it possible for Jowan to poison Eamon and then the whole Redcliffe debacle to happen. Had she not done this there would have been no need for Jowan, no poisoning, no demonic possession of Connor and no villager deaths. She has blood on her hands and she won't even take responsibility. In her favour, she will allow herself to be sacrificed in order to save Connor. That's her redeeming feature, and one I take advantage of quite often.

Cailan - I don't hate him, but I think he's a ****** and Loghain did the right thing leaving him to die. He is actually slightly deeper than the game makes him appear - whilst he comes across as a glory-seeking fool with a head full of storybooks, I think he's more of a tragic figure who is so desperate to escape from his father's shadow that he tries to be larger than life. And it bites him in the arse, so to speak. Still, he has a lot of a power, and there's nothing more dangerous than a fool with power (especially a fool trying to ally with Orlais. It may have been 30 years since the war, but chevaliers are still allowed to rape women and inviting a bunch of them into Fereldan isn't such a great move, IMHO).

Aside from that, I dislike that reverand mother in Lothering, that stupid cow Keili in the Circle (being made tranquil is the best thing for her), Anora's elf maid (purely because of the stupid accent) and Marjolaine (ditto...but at least you can kill her). Oh and quite a few of the Dalish.

Modifié par CalJones, 21 août 2010 - 09:53 .


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CalJones wrote...
One reason I really enjoy playing mages is that I can leave Wynne at the tower. Yes, you're forced to take her on the Circle quest, (well, you can kill her, but I feel bad about killing the other mages who are with her. Except for Keili, silly cow) but you can dump her after that.
I love running into Ines in Awakening who hates Wynne and says "the Fade shines out of her bum."
Wynne comes across nice and motherly at first but she is a hypocrite. She spends half the game lecturing you on your duties as a Grey Warden but if you're a mage, when she runs into Aneirin she suggests to you that you return to the Circle and become First Enchanter. No lady, I'm out of that prison, thankyou very much. And, y'know, warden and all that.
There was a thread on here a while back suggesting that her fade spirit was really a pride demon. Wouldn't surprise me.
Still, on games where I'm not playing a mage and am not planning on doing the dark ritual, I pretty much have to take her. And that ticks me off. I wish we could have had Jowan instead.

ITA with everything you said about Wynne. I actually liked her on my first playthrough, but now I dislike her more than Isolde. And I've never liked Isolde. I take Wynne now because my characters don't know how annoying and awful she is, but Morrigan is respec'd and Wynne stays in camp. I don't even bother with her silly quest anymore.

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Does anyone ever feel like apologizing to Aneirin for Wynne asking him to return to the Circle he was miserable at and where the Templars ran him through and fourteen while he was happy with the Dalish and Wynne herself turned down Irvings own request for her to stay?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Does anyone ever feel like apologizing to Aneirin for Wynne asking him to return to the Circle he was miserable at and where the Templars ran him through and fourteen while he was happy with the Dalish and Wynne herself turned down Irvings own request for her to stay?


Personally no. This scene felt like one of those 'let's all hold hands and sing' very zen style things and who am I to ruin such a wonderful Hallmark moment? So I just hit esc through it and let my mage wonder what type of technique Aneirin used to make his poultices more effective.

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I felt like WYNNE thought it was a Hallmark moment and everybody more connected to reality was rather embarrassed and Aneirin was just humoring her.

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Vaughan; each time I see his face again, the more I hate him. Little cockroaches like him need to be squashed in my games.



Howe is just as vile with his rodent-like face. I am glad he has to die in-game after being pummeled by the Warden.



I do not hate any other characters as of now (even Loghain, Isolde, Wynne, Zevran, Oghren, etc). A few I like, many I am apathetic towards. However Vartag, Bhelen's buddy, is annoying me with his constant threats and lying in-front in my face. He will regret treating a Warden like that in the future.




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Of all the companions Wynne is my least favourite. Although I use her alot, I cant stand the preaching, the duty and love talks, and the BS she feeds you the ENTIRE game.



Of any NPC its Vaughan I hate the most, any of the others I can see their viewpoint (Zathrian, Loghain, and Isolde included) But that annyoing little piece of pus will never live in any of my games.



Mainly since this happens:

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

Of any NPC its Vaughan I hate the most, any of the others I can see their viewpoint (Zathrian, Loghain, and Isolde included) But that annyoing little piece of pus will never live in any of my games.

Mainly since this happens:
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That is one descion I can NEVER do in Dragon Age.



I have done everything else that can be considered bad in a Bioware game, but I cant sell Shiani and the others to Vaughan, for some reason I go Incredible Hulk style angry, and leave Vaughan as confetti.

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Giggles_Manically wrote...

That is one descion I can NEVER do in Dragon Age.

I have done everything else that can be considered bad in a Bioware game, but I cant sell Shiani and the others to Vaughan, for some reason I go Incredible Hulk style angry, and leave Vaughan as confetti.


I can sympathize. For me the situation becomes very personal very quick. It's one of the few times I can't metagame or try to see things through my character's eyes. The moment that thing was introduced I felt a rush of hatred for him to the point where it was affecting my attitude in real life.

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Actually seeing this made me 100X as angry then Vaughan made me:

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Nothing in a game has ever reached out and made me as angry or violent, ever.


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Vaughan is a pig. It'd been a while since I played as an elf so I ran through the CE origin a couple of days ago as a male (I'd done it as a female previously) just to see the differences and damn but he's a disgusting character.

Usually, on my humans, I let him rot in the cell (after relieving him of the key to his lock box, naturally). Even my human nobles won't let him go after the "I'll have you flayed" comment.

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The merchant Barlin from Lothering.

HATED HIM!!    :devil:

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I think my favourite moment with Vaughan was when he dropped Noble Clothing. So my CE lopped off his head, stole his clothes and then decided to wear them for when the guards came for the arrest.

But yeah, i think Vaughan is the only NPC I truly *hate*, all the others I can sympathise at least in part with. Wynne gets on my nerves occasionally, and I loved Ines' remarks about her. Isolde, while annoying as heck, I can *kind of* empathise with, and she offers herself as a sacrifice to right her wrongs a bit.

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Usually, on my humans, I let him rot in the cell (after relieving him of the key to his lock box, naturally). Even my human nobles won't let him go after the "I'll have you flayed" comment.

How do you get that? Expressing reluctance to free him? What's the non-meta justification for doing that? Asking why he's there after getting the story from Soris?

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Does anyone ever feel like apologizing to Aneirin for Wynne asking him to return to the Circle he was miserable at and where the Templars ran him through and fourteen while he was happy with the Dalish and Wynne herself turned down Irvings own request for her to stay?


I don't know why, but this post reminded me of the Wynne hate thread ("Winnie the Poo!"). I miss that thread.

Between Wynne, Howe, and Vaughn, it's a tough choice to say who I hate the most. The blood mage confrontation with Wynne ranks very high in the "moments that make my blood boil" list.

Still, I'd say it's a tie between Howe and Vaughn, with Wynne coming in third. Howe and Vaughn simply have no redeeming qualities (at least from what we see in the game) and what they do is simply disgusting.

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Sarah - no, he's ranting in his cell after you kill Howe. It's one of the things he says as you approach him - before he realises you're not Howe or his guards.

It also cracks me up how, if you're female and you leave him in there he calls you a fat cow.

Re: Howe vs Vaughan, Vaughan is worse, for me. Howe doesn't have many redeeming qualities (other than siring the delicious Nathaniel) but he does have reason to feel somewhat agrieved at the Cousland family if you delve into their history a little. He is, also, a war hero. I can't feel sorry for him but I can see where he's coming from, so whilst he's clearly a villain, he ranks a little lower on the villainy scale than Vaughan.

Vaughan, however, is just a self-entitled jerk, not to mention a rapist and murderer. He has no motivation to act as he does other than his own sick gratification.

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Eamon.

Because he comes across as terribly self-serving.

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I love these threads.  My list no particular order:

1. Eamon (for all the reasons stated so eloquently above)
2. Isolde (no need to explain this one)
3. Vaughan (who always dies no matter what kind of pc I'm playing.  Once he says 'knife ears' and 'lazy' he's gone)
4. Marjolaine (well you look like a 'wet dog' princess)
5. Wynne (never makes it out alive anymore.  She could be the reincarnation of the prime healer and she's still dying the self righteous bint)
6. Morrigan (yes, I know, she's 'misunderstood'.  Whatever.  Booting her at Lothering makes the camp a nicer place.)
7. First Enchanter Irving (I blame him for a lot of the Jowan fiasco.  If he hadn't wanted to score points off Greagoir...)
8. Vartag Gavorn. (no idea why - he just sets my teeth on edge)
9. Valenna (is that even spelled right?  Meh.  I recruited her on my first playthrough and never again.  I think her picture is next to 'obnoxious' in the Ferelden dictionary.  I like conflict as much as the next rpg'er but that sort of blinkered attitude is just stupid).

I'm sure I've forgotten some.  Oh well that's my top 9 :P

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I never hate, so long as I understand. But I do dislike some characters.

- Wynne. Because I feel she brings nothing useful and whether she lives or dies has almost 0 impact on any playthrough.

- Cailan. Because he is the nightmare of a political science student like myself. If he wasn't a king, I probably would have a slightly better opinion of him.

That's what I can think of at the moment. I sometimes dislike Alistair, but in general it's mild sympathy or ambivalence I feel towards him.

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Oh, I forgot to mention the fact I don't like Lady Dace, either.

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Sarah1281 wrote...

Oh, I forgot to mention the fact I don't like Lady Dace, either.

Is she the gripey one in the Diamond Quarter? The first time my HNF talked to her she said "oh, it's so amusing that you humans have an entire order dedicated to fighting darkspawn. It's just everyday life for us dwarves." She lives in the freaking Diamond Quarter and probably has never seen a darkspawn.