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[EccentricSage]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eccentric may I please have your reasoning as to why you defile the ashes?
Mainly because this has to be near the top of derpy things to do in game. Outside siding with the Werewolves of course.

My male bloodmage is convinced the Chantry are just as cruel and vile as the Tevinter, and wishes to take away a possible playing peice while gaining arkane knowledge and maybe even aid from the nut jobs who warship that Draggon.  He's far too intrigued by it all to place judgement on the cult untill he has studied their magics, beleifs, and learned their intentions.  The Urn, to him, is a dangerous boon to his enemies. 

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eccentric may I please have your reasoning as to why you defile the ashes?
Mainly because this has to be near the top of derpy things to do in game. Outside siding with the Werewolves of course.

Yeah, even if I was playing a chantry hating character I wouldn't defile them. Hell, even Sten, who views the Urn as nothing but a waste bin, is aware of how pointless it is to help Kolgrim and a cult that worships a "giant lizard" (I think that's how he describes the Dragon).

I suppose if you're playing a character that's easily seduced by power (which Kolgrim offers) it could make sense but even then, it seems like a really silly thing to do.

[Jakeul200493]

Characters I hate:

* Dog- He reminds me of my own dog :')
* Alistair- he makes me laugh so much :')
* Morrigan- she comes out with some wicked one-liners And as much as I love Alistair, her being a complete b**** to him reminds me of my sarcastic horrible sense of humour :') Can't wait for Witch Hunt I wanna see my baby! I might even join Fathers for Justice :')
* Anora- Backstabbing ****
* Isolde- TEAGANNNNNNN TEAGANNNNNN... I will never forget the shrill whine of her calling her brother-in-law throughout the Redcliffe level ¬¬
* Marjolaine- Do I need to explain? Plus, I can do a better Orlesian/French accent than her :@
* Teyrn Loghain- I just dislike him :')
* Cailan- Idiot
* Duncan- Seemed creepy
* Wynne- Mothers me too much

Modifié par SpectreM4, 28 août 2010 - 10:18 .

[Sarah1281]

Out of curiousity, why are Dog, Alistair, and Morrigan on your list of characters you hate if you wrote positive reasons for your feelings about them?

[Zjarcal]

Maybe he was going to do the characters he loved first followed by the ones he hated? Because as it is the list doesn't make sense.

[burrito]

I can't stand Dalish Elves. They are too whiney.

[EccentricSage]

Zjarcal wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Eccentric may I please have your reasoning as to why you defile the ashes?
Mainly because this has to be near the top of derpy things to do in game. Outside siding with the Werewolves of course.

Yeah, even if I was playing a chantry hating character I wouldn't defile them. Hell, even Sten, who views the Urn as nothing but a waste bin, is aware of how pointless it is to help Kolgrim and a cult that worships a "giant lizard" (I think that's how he describes the Dragon).

I suppose if you're playing a character that's easily seduced by power (which Kolgrim offers) it could make sense but even then, it seems like a really silly thing to do.

My bloodmage does not just hate the chantry, but conspires against them. He does not favor nor trust the Circle of Magi, either, as they contain Chantry Apologists and he knows Irving had betrayed the apprentices.

He needs power in order to protect himself, as well as to continue plotting the downfall of the tower removing the Chantry's control from Ferelden territories. He is preparing himself in case it comes to an all out war.

Haven is also an isolated place that has been unaffected by outside influence ever since the ashes were brought to that ancient temple. There is also a Dragon, something that could be more than JUST a giant lizard, considering the Tevinter warship Dragons, and considering the fact that old god's souls are said to be in the form of dragons. There could be a great deal of useful knowledge and technique dating back to the death of Andraste that has not been interfered with by Chantry politics ever since! There's no derp in that scenario.

BTW, Sten hates mages and is indoctrinated in a way my bloodmage reviles as similar to the Templars.

[CalJones]

Even my chantry hating mages (which is all my mages, to be honest) don't defile the ashes. It has nothing to do with religion, in this case, but more out of a respect for the dead. It's fairly easy to get an epilogue where the ashes aren't found - just send Genitivi home. Even if you visit him in Denerim after, you'll get the epilogue about how they sent an expedition to look for the ashes but nothing was found. (On PC, anyway).

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont do it because if the chantry ever found out that a Warden did that, then there would be hell to pay for the whole order.

[EccentricSage]

CalJones wrote...

Even my chantry hating mages (which is all my mages, to be honest) don't defile the ashes. It has nothing to do with religion, in this case, but more out of a respect for the dead. It's fairly easy to get an epilogue where the ashes aren't found - just send Genitivi home. Even if you visit him in Denerim after, you'll get the epilogue about how they sent an expedition to look for the ashes but nothing was found. (On PC, anyway).

I know, but that requires meta gaming. My bloodmage sees the ashes as a threat, and the cult as potentially useful to him. Concern for the sanctity of human remains pales in comparison to the concerns of the living.

[Giggles_Manically]

Minus the fact that they are all deranged brainwashed, murdering loony toons...

Yah the cultists would make great allies! /sarcasm.

[EccentricSage]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Minus the fact that they are all deranged brainwashed, murdering loony toons...
Yah the cultists would make great allies! /sarcasm.

One could say the same of the Templars.  It is a matter of perspective.

In their minds, their actions are justified.  My mage does not trust them, but is interested in learning what he can of the past untouched by the chantry.  He is also interested in learning wether or not the Dragon might contain the soul of an old god.  It certainly seems to have convinced an order that once existed to protect Andreste's urn to instead defile it.  The situation is intrigueing and my bloodmage has a scholarly bent.

[Giggles_Manically]

EccentricSage wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Minus the fact that they are all deranged brainwashed, murdering loony toons...
Yah the cultists would make great allies! /sarcasm.

One could say the same of the Templars.  It is a matter of perspective.

In their minds, their actions are justified.  My mage does not trust them, but is interested in learning what he can of the past untouched by the chantry.  He is also interested in learning wether or not the Dragon might contain the soul of an old god.  It certainly seems to have convinced an order that once existed to protect Andreste's urn to instead defile it.  The situation is intrigueing and my bloodmage has a scholarly bent.

Its not really a matter of perspecitve here though.
The Templars stop mages like Uldred and others from harming innocent people, or from letting demons loose.
If the choice is between getting possessed, or being Tranquiled then Ill take the second one.

Also the Cultists are just plain evil, blood letting, sacrifice, murder, and perversion are not nice things. Secondly Templars just dont randomely murder people who wander into there places.

Cant really see how siding with people who try to kill you at the drop of a hat is a sane notion.

[EccentricSage]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

EccentricSage wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Minus the fact that they are all deranged brainwashed, murdering loony toons...
Yah the cultists would make great allies! /sarcasm.

One could say the same of the Templars.  It is a matter of perspective.

In their minds, their actions are justified.  My mage does not trust them, but is interested in learning what he can of the past untouched by the chantry.  He is also interested in learning wether or not the Dragon might contain the soul of an old god.  It certainly seems to have convinced an order that once existed to protect Andreste's urn to instead defile it.  The situation is intrigueing and my bloodmage has a scholarly bent.

Its not really a matter of perspecitve here though.
The Templars stop mages like Uldred and others from harming innocent people, or from letting demons loose.
If the choice is between getting possessed, or being Tranquiled then Ill take the second one.

Also the Cultists are just plain evil, blood letting, sacrifice, murder, and perversion are not nice things. Secondly Templars just dont randomely murder people who wander into there places.

Cant really see how siding with people who try to kill you at the drop of a hat is a sane notion.

The chantry treats all mages as criminal merely for being mages.  We didn't witness abuse of power in origins by the Templars, yet it is part of lore that abuse of power happens, because mages are second class citizens.  Cullen even says that many Temlars enjoy killing mages.

Blood letting isn't evil if it's one's own blood, or is consensual.  Sacrafice depends upon what is being sacraficed, and to what ends.  For example, I do not consider it evil to sacrafice Isolde in a blood ritual in order to save her son.  If the knights were intruding upon private property and threatening the goals of the cult, from the cult's perspective, they did not commit murder, they defended themselves.  As for perversion and not being 'nice', I think you have a childish view of how the world works.  The world does not revolve around what you deem pleasant and acseptable, it revolves around what works.  It revolves around the wills of many in endless strugle. It revolves around the interplay of chaos and order, both necasary to existance and evolution.

Besides, I'm not sure what manner of perversion you are speeking of.  Perversion is a pretty abstract concept and has to be placed in some context to even have any meaning.

[Giggles_Manically]

Considering you are defiling an holy relic for the name of some goofball cult who is EVIL, and everyone in game says that, I think you are the one who has a skewed view on reality my friend.

[EccentricSage]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Considering you are defiling an holy relic for the name of some goofball cult who is EVIL, and everyone in game says that, I think you are the one who has a skewed view on reality my friend.

Actually the only companions who take that view are Lelliana and Wynne.  Even Alistair can care **** less about the fate of the Urn.

The relic is not holy to my blood mage, nor to me, as the player.

One can call many things good or evil depending uppon perspective.  You fail to actually counter my argument.  Is it evil to use forbiden magic to sacrafice Issolde, a willing sacrafice, in order to save her son without further endangering the people of Redcliff?

Modifié par EccentricSage, 28 août 2010 - 11:48 .

[Zjarcal]

EccentricSage wrote...

Even Alistair can care **** less about the fate of the Urn.

Just because he doesn't try to kill you doesn't mean he doesn't care. His line "I knew I shouldn't have let you go through with this" makes it very clear that he isn't happy at all about what you've done with the ashes. He just doesn't care enough to justify killing his fellow warden.

[Giggles_Manically]

EccentricSage wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

Considering you are defiling an holy relic for the name of some goofball cult who is EVIL, and everyone in game says that, I think you are the one who has a skewed view on reality my friend.

Actually the only companions who take that view are Lelliana and Wynne.  Even Alistair can care **** less about the fate of the Urn.

The relic is not holy to my blood mage, nor to me, as the player.

One can call many things good or evil depending uppon perspective.  You fail to actually counter my argument.  Is it evil to use forbiden magic to sacrafice Issolde, a willing sacrafice, in order to save her son without further endangering the people of Redcliff?

Once a person starts to mispell and cuss I start to not care.
However yes its evil to destroy something holy to many thousands of people even if you dont agree with them.
It is evil to kill a woman who was stupid and incompetent, but if there is another option than yes its evil.

Overall the point I am trying to make is no matter your reasoning, or your motives some actions are evil.
Siding with a cult that is comparable to the cultists in Indian Jones and the Temple of Doom, is not only evil but stupid.

[Zjarcal]

Giggles_Manically wrote...

It is evil to kill a woman who was stupid and incompetent, but if there is another option than yes its evil.

Woah Giggles, are you saying that sacrificing Isolde is an evil option? Making a deal with the Demon I could see as an unquestionably evil option (especially if it's the sex deal), but letting Isolde sacrifice herself isn't something I would consider evil without first examining the players motivations.

But I'm not sure if that's what you meant in that post.

[Giggles_Manically]

Zjarcal wrote...

Giggles_Manically wrote...

It is evil to kill a woman who was stupid and incompetent, but if there is another option than yes its evil.

Woah Giggles, are you saying that sacrificing Isolde is an evil option? Making a deal with the Demon I could see as an unquestionably evil option (especially if it's the sex deal), but letting Isolde sacrifice herself isn't something I would consider evil without first examining the players motivations.

But I'm not sure if that's what you meant in that post.

Ignoring that fact that she pulls off an Exorsist like moment, before popping like a pizza pop, the mere fact that there is at least two other options present that avoid it dont make it a good choice.
If you have the mages then good, however if you dont then in that situation I would make Isolde kill Conner.

While the child is blameless, the mother caused it and must end it. Its the lesser of two evils but making Isolde kill Conner puts everything down for good. Outside of Alistair throwing a tantrum.

[Sarah1281]

Why is Isolde killing Connor a better option than letting her sacrifice herself to save her innocent child? I don't see why she 'must' end it and even if she did, sacrificing herself certainly applies.

[Giggles_Manically]

I dont trust any Blood Mage in the game so I dont ever do any Blood Ritual.

If she dies she learns nothing, if she kills Connor she will never do something so stupid again.

Harsh for Connor but Eamon and Isolde can have another child, and Eamon will watch better.



I only did this on my Dalish, all my other PC's do the happy mage route.

[Sarah1281]

...What does it matter if she learns nothing? She's freaking dead, she won't make another mistake again and is even more guarenteed to never do anything else stupid. If he dies, Isolde dies in childbirth with their next child who Eamon doesn't HAVE to watch as she's a mage who goes to the Circle.