48 réponses à ce sujet

[jsachun]

Checkout the Backstab Damage of a Level 31 rogue with s single dagger & Duel daggers. Bear in mind DW will do more dps as it backstabs a lot faster than a single dagger.

STATS


Single


Duel

Modifié par jsachun, 06 septembre 2010 - 10:46 .

[Ramo16]

How can you have this high attributes? Which exuipment do u use?

What are your base attributes, without bonuses?

I could only dream of this high stats :-)

[jsachun]

Base Stats


Helm


Vest or Armour


Gloves


Boots


Main Hand


Off Hand


Belt


Ring 1


Ring 2


Amulet

Modifié par jsachun, 07 septembre 2010 - 12:29 .

[Ramo16]

So far i i have helm, battledress, daggers, and last 3. Still missing belt, boots and gloves... Have to find those.Thanks for this.

[Ramo16]

I read in some thread, can't find it now, that the best way to employ paralyze runes is to put 3 of them in off hand dagger, and put elemental runes in main hand dagger, so if you do paralyze target, you have extra elemental damage from main hand weapon. So, what do you think of this, since i see you use one paralyze rune in each dagger.
P.s. Nice looking rogue :-)

Modifié par Ramo16, 07 septembre 2010 - 03:42 .

[Marbazoid]

I'm wondering what gear stat priority should be. So is stacking cunning the most optimal way to maximize damage? Should I be taking cunning gear over backstab damage gear?



Is roses thorn better than the tooth of the mountain-father for an off-hand dagger?

[Hopefulness]

about the same but rose's thorn has +30 crit damage and +5 melee rit chance



would've thought Ring of Subtlety would be better for the +3dex/cunning



plus wouldn't the +crit/backstab damage be better than some flat + stat items?

[jsachun]

Ramo16 wrote...

I read in some thread, can't find it now, that the best way to employ paralyze runes is to put 3 of them in off hand dagger, and put elemental runes in main hand dagger, so if you do paralyze target, you have extra elemental damage from main hand weapon. So, what do you think of this, since i see you use one paralyze rune in each dagger.
P.s. Nice looking rogue :-)

It probably works well, but I tend to rely more on spells from mages, ie Mindblast, Paralyze & etc. One of the best combo with Backstabs is Petrify. As it is a Fourth Tier spell, it tends to freeze enemies for a longer duration as wells as offering less chance for elites & bosses to resist.   

Modifié par jsachun, 08 septembre 2010 - 08:46 .

[jsachun]

Marbazoid wrote...

I'm wondering what gear stat priority should be. So is stacking cunning the most optimal way to maximize damage? Should I be taking cunning gear over backstab damage gear?

Is roses thorn better than the tooth of the mountain-father for an off-hand dagger?

It definetely is the way to maximise Backstab damage. Check out the single handed dagger's base damage.



Now that is a lot considering the base damage of a dagger compared to say a Great Sword.

[jsachun]

Ramo16 wrote...

So far i i have helm, battledress, daggers, and last 3. Still missing belt, boots and gloves... Have to find those.Thanks for this.

Gloves
These are looted from a Dragon Thrall at the end of Silverite mines.

Boots
Found in an Avvar Sarcophagus while doing the quest The Wraith's Vengeance in Vigil's Keep basement

[jsachun]

Hopefulness wrote...

about the same but rose's thorn has +30 crit damage and +5 melee rit chance

would've thought Ring of Subtlety would be better for the +3dex/cunning

plus wouldn't the +crit/backstab damage be better than some flat + stat items?

It probably is from the point of view of a pure damager. But generally having more stats all around tends to make your character a better combatant in all situations. Ofcoures if you just want to roleplay your combats with party memebers, it's probably better to equip equipments that will purely boost your damage output per hit.

Modifié par jsachun, 08 septembre 2010 - 09:09 .

[Ramo16]

Thanks jsachun, found them already. Dragon age wiki is great for this kind of stuff. This with paralyze runes works ok. 3 of them, with quick rogue attacks gets enemies paralyzed quite a lot. And daggers are, as i can see, much better than swords. Comparing my cunning DW daggers with this DW swords rogue from Witch hunt, my rogue is much better.

[jsachun]

Okay, so I respeced my rogue so that she may use Vigilance.

Backstab damage with Vigil & Voice of V


Check out the insane Heartseeker damage. I think this is a bug with all the armored ogres in the Dragonbone Waste. Scored over 4000 so far.

Modifié par jsachun, 10 septembre 2010 - 01:13 .

[Ramo16]

So you pumped strenght and cunning, or dex? And wich vigilance did wade make? If i'm right, you can choose 3-4 kinds, dependent on your answers to his questions.

[Maverick827]

He may have taken Legionnaire Scout for a free 10 Strength; I probably would have from the start, as Pinpoint Strike becomes useless when you have 70%+ Crit. Legionnaire Scout also has some great defensive talents anyway.

I'm not sure why he doesn't have Intensifying Runes; perhaps Runecrafting is just too annoying (...it is).

Modifié par Maverick827, 11 septembre 2010 - 02:05 .

[Cariborne]

jsachun ...



Your Rogue scares the crap out of me, no lie. The hardest I've hit so far is ~600 with my DW Cunning Rogue, and I see you hitting for 2.7k.... NOT COOL. You should make a Guide for a Rogue xD

[Maverick827]

No offence to him, but it's simply that Heartseeker has a very, very odd damage formula. It seems to take into account enemy rank, maximum life, etc., and often produces high/wacky results.

I'm not sure what Vigilance he chose, but since Critical/Backstab is capped at 200% from equipment, it may be better to choose the +50 Stamina one, depending on how spammy your Rogue is. Flicker, Dual Wield Sweep, and Whirlwind, especially with Vigilance, would be some pretty amazing AoE damage, but also pretty Stamina intensive also considering Shadow Form's penalties. Or I suppose if you're trying to reach 100% Dodge, the 10% Dodge one would also be a good choice.

[Ramo16]

Cariborne, i agree, would like Guide for rogue like this :-)

Which build did he take? Cun, Dex, Str?

[Lumikki]

I don't know anything about rogue, but I just say this. Stats are based only one thing, because of two thing. One every stat is connected to role what developer did design for class. This also means every item in game is connected these roles. So, what stats to choose is about whats' the role of character and items designed by developers.

Dex is role of rogue. Now is str or cunn role of rogue? Not just as character design, but also in items. Point is, can you use wrong role items or is it better to add stats what fits the role you character and items. Meaning does items what you get from game fit you class and support the stats you have choosen.

Modifié par Lumikki, 11 septembre 2010 - 01:15 .

[Maverick827]

Ramo16 wrote...

Cariborne, i agree, would like Guide for rogue like this :-)
Which build did he take? Cun, Dex, Str?

Most likely he "pre-buffed" his Strength with items (or the console if such rigmarole is too tedious) to reach the 41 Str requirement of Vigilance, so I would rule out a Strength build.

Dex and Cunning are really similar damage, so I doubt any one would be drastically better or worse than this.

[Ramo16]

So basically, enough str for the sword, and everything else in say cunning. Plus few points on will.

[Maverick827]

Ramo16 wrote...

So basically, enough str for the sword, and everything else in say cunning. Plus few points on will.

You would need 52 Dexterity for Flicker, which is probably the best Rogue talent in Awakenings.

I don't believe that kind of Heartseeker damage is reliant on using Vigilance; I don't have an Awakenings Rogue yet nor do I have Witch Hunt to get to those Armored Ogres, but I'm pretty sure a traditional Dagger build would do similar damage.

However, as a Human Legionnaire Scout, you would have 21 base Strength.  The goal here would be to get +20 Strength from items that you could equip to then be able to equip Vigilance.

You would use something like:
Dawn Ring (+4 Strength)
Key to the City (+2 Strength)
Illumination (+3 Strength)
Doge's Dodger (+4 Strength)
Helm of Honnleath (+2 Strength)
Vanguard (+3 Strength)
etc.

Then equip Vigilance, then re-equip the rest of your normal armor.  Alternatively, if you play on the PC, you can just open up the console and type:

/runscript dbg_setattrib 1 20

This will give you a temporary Strength buff of +20.  Since this just makes things a bit easier, I really wouldn't consider this cheating that much.

Either 52 (Flicker) Dexterity and the rest into Cunning, or 22 Cunning (Master Stealth) and the rest into Dexterity.

The difference in damage is small considering the concept of "sustained DPS" does not really apply in this game as it would in, say, World of Warcraft.  If you want to go Assassin/Bard/Shadow, I would say Cunning would definitely be the best route.  If you want to go Assassin/Legionnaire Scout/Shadow, then either would be fine.

And, finally, you could always look into a Strength-based Rogue if you really want to use Vigilance.  Take Cunning to 22, Dex to 52, and put the rest into Strength.  You can wear Massive Armor and dual-wield full sized weapons, though Vigilance + Voice of Velvet will still probably be the best choice.  This is great for the instant-swing abilities like Dual-Weapon Sweep, Whirlwind, and Flicker.  The "sustained" damage is lower, but again that really doesn't have to matter if you don't want it to.  This type of Rogue doesn't necessarily backstab from behind, though.

Modifié par Maverick827, 12 septembre 2010 - 03:18 .

[jsachun]

Ramo16 wrote...

So you pumped strenght and cunning, or dex? And wich vigilance did wade make? If i'm right, you can choose 3-4 kinds, dependent on your answers to his questions.

My stats


Version of Vigilance

[miltos33]

Heartseeker FTW!!!