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[irene9876]

KainrycKarr wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

I'm not the only one that thinks this is a good idea. Also I have repeatedly pointed out that the players would be given an option to opt in or out so no one is forced to accept anything. People who don't want the hybrid child could still take part in a mission that has other significance. If that is the case no one has any real good reason for arguing against it.

Yes. Yes you are.

And the issue isn't about forced issue; it's about a stupid idea like this would take up time/effort/resources that could be put to far better use elsewhere.

It's a silly idea. It's impossible biologically. And there are way. Way. WAY. More important things for the ME3 team to do.

Thank you.  You said it better than I did.

[tiberius_adamantine]

It doesn't really matter about what could be perceived as possible, as long as it works. Many would say that the concept of biotics isn't possible, but it works. Many would say that things like Overloard aren't possible, but it works. A skilled writer can make this work, what it takes is the right amount of creativity and effort. Science fiction thrives on accomplishing what isn't thought possible and making it work.

The main focus wouldn't be on making a hybrid child, far from it. The hybrid child would only possibly enter the equation if the right conditions are met. For everyone else, this would be a mission with entirely different implications and outcomes. As for more important things, maybe and maybe not. If done right this mission would have at least the value of any other mission added to the game. Bioware might have a little trouble with this, but I don't think that something being hard is a reason to not have it at all. It always comes to the story.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 19 août 2010 - 12:24 .

[Chim3ra]

I think it would greatly increase the relationship between your LI's but I understand the impossibility of this. I think that it would be more plausible if the story whent on longer then it did, but being the last game to just "have" a child is kinda weird. But that's just my opinion.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Chim3ra wrote...

I think it would greatly increase the relationship between your LI's but I understand the impossibility of this. I think that it would be more plausible if the story whent on longer then it did, but being the last game to just "have" a child is kinda weird. But that's just my opinion.

Being "impossible" isn't the point. This comes down to another issue for the writers to sort out, but one possibility is that this extends over years in the end.

[Cheese Elemental]

This thread is bad, and you should feel bad about it.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

This thread is bad, and you should feel bad about it.

that kind of comment says alot about you, all negative.

[Cheese Elemental]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

This thread is bad, and you should feel bad about it.

that kind of comment says alot about you, all negative.

I'm not the one who's showing obsessiveness and lack of scientific knowledge. A human-quarian hybrid is impossible to create. It's not like creating a donkey-horse hybrid, which is entirely possible because they're so closely related and just evolved slightly differently.

Quarians are from a completely different planet. They evolved in different conditions and most certainly didn't evolve from apes. You're merely grasping at straws in an attempt to create an unrealistic ending.

You want a realistic and happy ending with Tali and Shepard? The Reapers are defeated, the Quarians and Geth make peace, and the couple live on Rannoch with their adopted children. There you go. No need for a bizarre and unrealistic questline or 'fantasy science'.

It's not going to happen, bro. Deal with it.

[mosor]

Meh, I know it's scientifically impossible. I play a pro-human renegade who doesn't even romance aliens. However, this is a space fantasy game. They already have you sleeping with aliens. Somehow magically our parts fit, even though in all likelihood we probably evolved different methods of sexual procreation! It's not like these alens are even mammals. It's like trying to have sex with an alligator, except even more different. Kinda like putting a large cube into a nice small circle.

So what if they breed and have hybrid children?. Mass Effect would follow in the footsteps of a lot of other popular science fiction series that did just that. Mass effect lost all credibility about being scientifically accurate the moment they introduced biotics.

Modifié par mosor, 19 août 2010 - 02:23 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

I'm not the one who's showing obsessiveness and lack of scientific knowledge. A human-quarian hybrid is impossible to create. It's not like creating a donkey-horse hybrid, which is entirely possible because they're so closely related and just evolved slightly differently.

Quarians are from a completely different planet. They evolved in different conditions and most certainly didn't evolve from apes. You're merely grasping at straws in an attempt to create an unrealistic ending.

You want a realistic and happy ending with Tali and Shepard? The Reapers are defeated, the Quarians and Geth make peace, and the couple live on Rannoch with their adopted children. There you go. No need for a bizarre and unrealistic questline or 'fantasy science'.

It's not going to happen, bro. Deal with it.

This is in a since one of the dumbest arguements made yet. First, I already know that modern science doesn't know a way to make this work and why it is complicated. I've already mention that, which you would know if you actually read something. Second, In comparison to other things that Bioware has made work, this isn't so strange and bizarre. Science fiction thrives on making things like this work, it's about story more than anything else. As long as they make a convencing and likeable mission, most will enjoy it. If you're one of those people that just can't bear the thought of anything new, then that is your loss.

[Sajuro]

Why do people even care? If someone wants to have a hideous human/turian baby or some other combination then they can do that and your shepard can just destroy that tech.

[Cheese Elemental]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...

I'm not the one who's showing obsessiveness and lack of scientific knowledge. A human-quarian hybrid is impossible to create. It's not like creating a donkey-horse hybrid, which is entirely possible because they're so closely related and just evolved slightly differently.

Quarians are from a completely different planet. They evolved in different conditions and most certainly didn't evolve from apes. You're merely grasping at straws in an attempt to create an unrealistic ending.

You want a realistic and happy ending with Tali and Shepard? The Reapers are defeated, the Quarians and Geth make peace, and the couple live on Rannoch with their adopted children. There you go. No need for a bizarre and unrealistic questline or 'fantasy science'.

It's not going to happen, bro. Deal with it.

This is in a since one of the dumbest arguements made yet. First, I already know that modern science doesn't know a way to make this work and why it is complicated. I've already mention that, which you would know if you actually read something. Second, In comparison to other things that Bioware has made work, this isn't so strange and bizarre. Science fiction thrives on making things like this work, it's about story more than anything else. As long as they make a convencing and likeable mission, most will enjoy it. If you're one of those people that just can't bear the thought of anything new, then that is your loss.

Mass Effect isn't Star Wars. Everything can't just be handwaved away like the Force. It's a space opera, not science fantasy (like Warhammer 40,000).

[KainrycKarr]

There is no science, future or modern, that can change the fact that this isn't going to happen, and can't.

[Sigma Tauri]

mosor wrote...
So what if they breed and have hybrid children?. Mass Effect would follow in the footsteps of a lot of other popular science fiction series that did just that. Mass effect lost all credibility about being scientifically accurate the moment they introduced biotics.

The "science" in ME2's gotten worse than usual. Writers keep switching dextro-DNA and dextro-amino acids as if they're equivalent.

I've gotten used to ME following into the footsteps of mythopoeic fantasy than a what-if future.

Modifié par monkeycamoran, 19 août 2010 - 02:46 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Mass Effect isn't Star Wars. Everything can't just be handwaved away like the Force. It's a space opera, not science fantasy (like Warhammer 40,000).

opera, really? yet another ridiculous comment.

Modifié par tiberius_adamantine, 21 août 2010 - 05:49 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

KainrycKarr wrote...

There is no science, future or modern, that can change the fact that this isn't going to happen, and can't.

like how they used to think going to the moon wasn't  possible?

[Cheese Elemental]

[quote]tiberius_adamantine wrote...

[quote]Cheese Elemental wrote...

 If you're one of those people that just can't bear the thought of anything new, then that is your loss. [/quote]
Mass Effect isn't Star Wars. Everything can't just be handwaved away like the Force. It's a space opera, not science fantasy (like Warhammer 40,000).[/quote]

opera, really? yet another ridiculous comment. [/quote]

[quote]Wikipedia wrote...

Space opera is a subgenre of speculative fiction or science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic
adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer
space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing
powerful (and sometimes quite fanciful) technologies and abilities.
Unlike conventional opera, space operas do not usually feature people
singing. Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that
settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very
large-scale. Sometimes the term space opera is used in a negative sense,
to denote bad quality science fiction, but its meaning can differ,
often describing a particular science fiction genre, without any value
judgment.[/quote]

Mass Effect is a Space Opera at heart, but it deviates by drifting into hard sci-fi territory by trading lasers and omnipresent FTL travel for mass accelerators and proper rules for FTL (being bound to the Mass Relays). It's a happy-medium between the two genres of sci-fi.

Star Wars is a pure Space Opera. It's much more fanciful and unrealistic, and drifts much closer to Science Fantasy. Alien hybrids could be explained in such a setting with a wave of the hand.

You're not even trying to counter my argument properly. Your dismissal of it is akin to a young boy saying that girls are bad because they have cooties.

As for the moon argument, you must remember that it was only thought impossible at a time when scientific knowledge wasn't widespread.

Modifié par Cheese Elemental, 19 août 2010 - 03:06 .

[Shadow_broker]

I want wrex's babies for ME3 plz

[tiberius_adamantine]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

Wikipedia wrote...

Space opera is a subgenre of speculative fiction or science fiction that emphasizes romantic, often melodramatic
adventure, set mainly or entirely in outer
space, generally involving conflict between opponents possessing
powerful (and sometimes quite fanciful) technologies and abilities.
Unlike conventional opera, space operas do not usually feature people
singing. Perhaps the most significant trait of space opera is that
settings, characters, battles, powers, and themes tend to be very
large-scale. Sometimes the term space opera is used in a negative sense,
to denote bad quality science fiction, but its meaning can differ,
often describing a particular science fiction genre, without any value
judgment.

Mass Effect is a Space Opera at heart, but it deviates by drifting into hard sci-fi territory by trading lasers and omnipresent FTL travel for mass accelerators and proper rules for FTL (being bound to the Mass Relays). It's a happy-medium between the two genres of sci-fi.

Star Wars is a pure Space Opera. It's much more fanciful and unrealistic, and drifts much closer to Science Fantasy. Alien hybrids could be explained in such a setting with a wave of the hand.

You're not even trying to counter my argument properly. Your dismissal of it is akin to a young boy saying that girls are bad because they have cooties.

As for the moon argument, you must remember that it was only thought impossible at a time when scientific knowledge wasn't widespread.

The moon comment was too make a point, hopefully it did. I was dismissing your argument on the basis that you are repeating an argument already used that doesn't matter in the greater perspective. Trying to say that mass effect is too "realistic" for this to work doesn't help your case either. I've already pointed out how the hybrid child wouldn't be much less, if at all, more unrealistic to other things that have occured.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Shadow_broker wrote...

I want wrex's babies for ME3 plz

you have strange tastes, lol.

[smudboy]

Nightwriter wrote...

I object. This post discriminates against the lazy and I object.

I had to read like two thirds of the way through your post to figure out what the hell you were even talking about.

[Cheese Elemental]

tiberius_adamantine wrote..
The moon comment was too make a point, hopefully it did.

Nope.

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
I was dismissing your argument on the basis that you are repeating an argument already used that doesn't matter in the greater perspective. Trying to say that mass effect is too "realistic" for this to work doesn't help your case either. I've already pointed out how the hybrid child wouldn't be much less, if at all, more unrealistic to other things that have occured.

Just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean it has to be unrealistic. Mass accelerators are far, far more believable than an inter-species hybrid child.

BioWare has shown us the boundaries of Mass Effect's realism. You don't set the standard, they do.

[mosor]

Cheese Elemental wrote...


Mass Effect is a Space Opera at heart, but it deviates by drifting into hard sci-fi territory by trading lasers and omnipresent FTL travel for mass accelerators and proper rules for FTL (being bound to the Mass Relays). It's a happy-medium between the two genres of sci-fi.

You don't need  mass relays for FTL travel in the ME universe. Relays just take you distant places faster than regular FTL.

Star Wars is a pure Space Opera. It's much more fanciful and unrealistic, and drifts much closer to Science Fantasy. Alien hybrids could be explained in such a setting with a wave of the hand.

Whats so different from the Star Wars universe and the ME one? Both have FTL, star wars has the force, ME has biotics. Very little in ME is based on any hard science fiction. Where ME is different from Star Wars, is that they go in depth in explaining their science fantasy concepts, but don't let that fool you to think it's actually based on any real science. Then again, there were no hybrids in Star Wars that I knew about. That's more of a star trek thing.

Modifié par mosor, 19 août 2010 - 03:28 .

[Zan51]

GOOD science fiction doesn't thrive on bad science. And yes, the ME series IS Space opera, just as Babylon 5, Firefly and whatever that one with the Cylons was. They span multiple planets, have a large cast, and .. hell, here read this, dated June 14, 2010

QUOTE:
As defined today, Space Opera is a subgenre of science fiction that emphasizes action and adventure against the backdrop of outer space. Space opera is known for the grand scale of its stories, larger-than-life heroes, and conflicts between opponents armed with powerful and often fanciful technologies and abilities. Amongst the best known space operas are such works as the Lensman series by E.E. "Doc" Smith, Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card, the Foundation series by Isaac Asimov, George Lucas's Star Wars films and TV series such as Firefly, Star Trek, and Battlestar Galactica.

Read more at Suite101: What is Space Opera? http://spaceopera.su...a#ixzz0x1AYxYF1

This is EXACTLY what Space Opera today is, and I write it professionally. I have combat in space and between aliens in powered armor, I use a battle mech, lasers, sandcasters, ftl travel, the lot. I use the Traveller system to design my spaceships from the ground up. My stories focus more on soft sciences than the hard science plots of works like Diaspar, The City and the Stars etc from early Arthur C Clarke. The science was almost a main chaeracter in his works. Later ones got to the point there were only cardboard characters pushed around for the sake of the science... but that's another story.

It's one thing to have hybrid kids when they both share the same base DNA like double helix, and amino acids and so on, but if they don't, they are poison to each other! Look at the normal earth babies who have a Rh blood type different from the mother that can kill them as the mother makes antidotes that pass through the plancenta to the baby and destroy its red blood cells.

If you have some idea of medicine and science, you would see that it is not possible with these 2 characters. And it has nothing to do with going to the moon! We aren't talking rocket science here, ya know, we're talking genetics...

Mosor: the ME relays are the equivalent of the Gateways in Bab 5, and the Stargates in Stargate, warp drive in Star Trek. It IS the main FTL device they use, it is just external.

Modifié par Zan51, 19 août 2010 - 03:29 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Cheese Elemental wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
I was dismissing your argument on the basis that you are repeating an argument already used that doesn't matter in the greater perspective. Trying to say that mass effect is too "realistic" for this to work doesn't help your case either. I've already pointed out how the hybrid child wouldn't be much less, if at all, more unrealistic to other things that have occured.

Just because it's sci-fi doesn't mean it has to be unrealistic. Mass accelerators are far, far more believable than an inter-species hybrid child.

BioWare has shown us the boundaries of Mass Effect's realism. You don't set the standard, they do.

Maybe you should review the thing about biotics, asari, the overloard dlc, and a number of other things. So far, nothing is set in stone with Bioware, which makes them open to new possibility. Also about setting the standard, they do set it, but I'm free to suggest ideas to them. Get over yourself, because you don't set the standard either.

[tiberius_adamantine]

mosor wrote...

Cheese Elemental wrote...


Mass Effect is a Space Opera at heart, but it deviates by drifting into hard sci-fi territory by trading lasers and omnipresent FTL travel for mass accelerators and proper rules for FTL (being bound to the Mass Relays). It's a happy-medium between the two genres of sci-fi.

You don't need  mass relays for FTL travel in the ME universe. Relays just take you distant places faster than regular FTL.

Star Wars is a pure Space Opera. It's much more fanciful and unrealistic, and drifts much closer to Science Fantasy. Alien hybrids could be explained in such a setting with a wave of the hand.

Whats so different from the Star Wars universe and the ME one? Both have FTL, star wars has the force, ME has biotics. Very little in ME is based on any hard science fiction. Where ME is different from Star Wars, is that they go in depth in explaining their science fantasy concepts, but don't let that fool you to think it's actually based on any real science. Then again, there were no hybrids in Star Wars that I knew about. That's more of a star trek thing.

I know that one of the sith lords in KOTOR2 was said to be a "half breed". also thank you for pointing a few things out, much appreciated.