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#126
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ReconTeam wrote...

We see right through you, this is a Tali-based suggestion, they're going rabid without their topic I tell you!
Story impact? This is absurd.


He's one tali-fan. multiple tali fans are criticizing this post and thread, myself included.

You fail. Get out.

But seriously. can we stop assuming every tali fan is some crazy obsessed freak? not all of us want wierd little alien baby things.

I get enough of the "lets have a baby" crap from my biologically-ticking girlfriend. Don't need that crap from my video game fling as well, thankyouveryfookingmuch.

Modifié par KainrycKarr, 20 août 2010 - 09:51 .


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I dont even know what this "hybrid child" stuff is about but the only thing that comes to mind (which is most likely NOT the case) is my Shep having a child of some sort. With that scenario being the case, I say hell no that this is not implemented because my Shep is NOT having any kids which would make this completely irrelevant. Again, I realize that this is probably not the case at hand but it's the only conclusion I can draw given what's in front of me.

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KainrycKarr wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

We see right through you, this is a Tali-based suggestion, they're going rabid without their topic I tell you!
Story impact? This is absurd.


He's one tali-fan. multiple tali fans are criticizing this post and thread, myself included.

You fail. Get out.

But seriously. can we stop assuming every tali fan is some crazy obsessed freak? not all of us want wierd little alien baby things.

I get enough of the "lets have a baby" crap from my biologically-ticking girlfriend. Don't need that crap from my video game fling as well, thankyouveryfookingmuch.

The fact that you're getting so upset about his light jests sort of proves that you do take it a little bit more seriously than you should.

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yummysoap wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

We see right through you, this is a Tali-based suggestion, they're going rabid without their topic I tell you!
Story impact? This is absurd.


He's one tali-fan. multiple tali fans are criticizing this post and thread, myself included.

You fail. Get out.

But seriously. can we stop assuming every tali fan is some crazy obsessed freak? not all of us want wierd little alien baby things.

I get enough of the "lets have a baby" crap from my biologically-ticking girlfriend. Don't need that crap from my video game fling as well, thankyouveryfookingmuch.

The fact that you're getting so upset about his light jests sort of proves that you do take it a little bit more seriously than you should.


It only irks me because you pretty much can't be a tali-fan on these boards anymore, because of silly behavior from a minority of over-zealous fans.

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Well that's certainly fair enough, though I've found the opposite to be equally as true. I was once like "I dun like teh Tali, lol" and then all these Talifans were like "OMG" and got very upset that I had an opinion about their favourite character that differed with theirs. If I recall correctly it was, like, one sentence in a very long post I made in some LI squad thread yet it was pinpointed and attacked by a number of Tali fans because Tali is the greatest god damn thing in the world.



Let me say now, though, that I hate her ****ing voice and her ****ing Shepard fangirlgasms; I hate the fact that she's got a hypersensitive immune system yet for some reason it's still considered a good idea to put her in a battlefield with a suit that could easily puncture. I do respect that you love all these things, though, and I don't presume to tell you that you shouldn't, but I also think it's very funny to watch KainrycKarr make posts like that and then imagine a number of Talifanatics sitting at their computer fumigating with rage that their precious fictional character has been mocked. We've all seen it!



But I digress, this thread is silly and the OP is kidding himself if he thinks that the "plot" has any motivation behind its creation.

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yummysoap wrote...

Well that's certainly fair enough, though I've found the opposite to be equally as true. I was once like "I dun like teh Tali, lol" and then all these Talifans were like "OMG" and got very upset that I had an opinion about their favourite character that differed with theirs. If I recall correctly it was, like, one sentence in a very long post I made in some LI squad thread yet it was pinpointed and attacked by a number of Tali fans because Tali is the greatest god damn thing in the world.

Let me say now, though, that I hate her ****ing voice and her ****ing Shepard fangirlgasms; I hate the fact that she's got a hypersensitive immune system yet for some reason it's still considered a good idea to put her in a battlefield with a suit that could easily puncture. I do respect that you love all these things, though, and I don't presume to tell you that you shouldn't, but I also think it's very funny to watch KainrycKarr make posts like that and then imagine a number of Talifanatics sitting at their computer fumigating with rage that their precious fictional character has been mocked. We've all seen it!

But I digress, this thread is silly and the OP is kidding himself if he thinks that the "plot" has any motivation behind its creation.


Who is this directed at? You say you, but have noone quoted...and then use my forum handle indirectly.

Yes yes, all who like Tali are immature zealots. :?

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I'm sorry but there are NOT plausible ways of getting around the difficulties for Turian/Humans or Quarian/Humans (or for that matter either Turians or Quarians with any other race in the galaxy).

Why? Chirality. That's why. Quarian and Turian Amino acids (both Proteins and DNA) are "Right-handed" in chirality. Everybody else is left-handed.

That means the DNA from a Quarian (or Turian) can't even link up with human DNA even in a lab, and mixed chirality would be almost instantly lethal anyway to anything above the level of a virus.

The game (correctly) makes a huge deal about this. Quarian/Turian proteins, amino acid, and DNA does not play nice with any other species in the galaxy.

-Polaris


Nailed it.

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Nightwriter wrote...
We're talking about babies aren't we. Why must there always be babies.


Yeah... I agree... derivative content of this kind I do not enjoy.

rpg + combat + story = win

rpg + combat + story + Tali-human-hybrid-baby = "huh?"

Modifié par JohnnyBeGood2, 20 août 2010 - 04:15 .


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@OP - The mission that, as you say, "is meant to further the story as a whole. The potential impact that this could have on the plotline makes it worth considering" is nothing more than a way to fulfill some desire of yours to have alien/human hybrid children. You can try to pretty it up however you like, but it still boils down to that.



The simple fact is that, by any understanding of the science, having children between Shepard and Tali or Garrus is simply impossible. You say you know this, and you ignore it because "Bioware can just write it out!" However, Bioware has consistently pointed out the chirality issue of turians and quarians, and by consistently pointing that out, has made it extremely hard for them to backtrack and write a way for it to be possible.



I realize that the MEverse is Sci-Fi, and that there are fantastical elements within the story. I also realize that there could be some fantastical way for the development team to ignore the science that they've pointed out, and give you what you wish. I would be very, very disappointed in Bioware if they did such a thing, however.



Most of the fantastical elements of the MEverse are at least theoretically possible, like FTL travel, biotics shares some elements with telekinesis, etc. However, the chirality issue is simply an impossibility. Genetic engineering has to work within the framework of the DNA (or equivalent) that is being modified. It cannot change one thing into another, or force compatibility between such differing biological constructions. It just won't work, in any sense of the imagination.



Most of the other fantastical creations that make Sci-Fi work, specifically within the MEverse can be believed, even if they stretch the suspension of disbelief. This, however, cannot be be believed, no matter how the writers try to write around it. It would always be "Hey, this just can't work" and I would forever hold Bioware in much less regard for it.

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why the **** is this thread still going.

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JohnnyBeGood2 wrote...

Nightwriter wrote...
We're talking about babies aren't we. Why must there always be babies.


Yeah... I agree... derivative content of this kind I do not enjoy.

rpg + combat + story = win

rpg + combat + story + Tali-human-hybrid-baby = "huh?"


rpg+combat+story+Reaper-Human-Hybrid-baby-terminator = ?

#137
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Those who believe that the appearance wouldn't work out because how complicated genetics are, please review the codex again. I find it highly unlikely that this is an issue that gives any serious problem. To restate something for those who missed it, the hybrid child would not materialize until the end of the game. There would also be no pregnancy or anything like that. As for being a family person, it likely depends on your personal shepard. Based on the dialog I had when playing, it would seem that shepard would have no problem with creating a family after the business with the reapers is finished. Aris Ravenstar, I noticed that you included the term "unholy" in your argument. I don't know if this was meant to reflect your religious views or not but if it is I ask that you keep them off the forums.

As for the part about being accepted, I didn't say that everyone would except it, a lot of people probably wouldn't. Let's face it though, are people ever accepted by all for who they are? How many times in our history has a group of people thought themselves superior to others? How many times has a group of people been rejected by their society as "undesirable" and "untouchable"? How many times has the issue of race been used as a means to reject someone? In our past, interracial couples have been shunned by a society that just didn't accept them. These have been problems that have plagued our past and they in time have diminished somewhat. The key to ending this is to see people for who they are, to show that they are like us. Interracial marriage has been a way of helping this transition. The children of said marriages the bond formed to bring them together. You can try to argue that this is different, but it isn't. It's still the same concepts, just a slightly different scenario.

This sort of mission would have relevance to the game. The reapers, although they are the main enemy, are not the only main theme of the story. If this game were simply about shooting one enemy after another, it wouldn't be as good a game as it is. The name "Mass Effect" doesn't just refer to the mass effect fields, but also to shepard's impact in the story. His actions affect the mission, people's lives, and the universe as a whole. Many of his choices reflect his feelings, particularly towards race. For instance, save or abandon the council, save or abandon the collector station. His actions in these choices either bring the different people together, or seperate and tear relations apart. His choices reflect how he sees these people. In this way, the subject of a hybrid child ties into what is probably one of the biggest, if not the biggest, themes of mass effect.

Think about the mission itself for a moment. Shepard hears about a research station which has just developed genetic engineering that is capable of what others couldn't do before. The potential use of this research draws the attention of groups like Cerberus. Cerberus, as well as the other groups, would never pass a chance to take the technology, the potential is too great. With it they could alter people to give them a sense of superiority  and develop subjects to be potent living weapons. Given access to the research, they could potentially gain a biological advantage over others. Regardless of what the research was originally meant for, either military or medical, the potential misuse and danger of the research would be reason enough for shepard to investigate. Why? Even if he is busy amassing an army against the reapers, he would still want to either use the research in some way or destroy it. He could try to use it to give the soldiers an edge to help in the fight or give it to medical specialist to develop new treatments. In the hands of an enemy, however, it could cause a potential distraction and divergence from the main fight by diverting resources to fighting an increasing threat caused by the research. For example, a terrorist group might use it to embolden their members and increase the frequency and scope of their attacks, as well as propaganda to increase their numbers.

This is just one starter concept used as an example. Bioware's writers could probably make the impact and significance even better than this. As said before the main importance of the mission would not be the hybrid child, but rather the military and medical applications. The option would appear when the right conditions are met, and even then the player still has the choice of what to do. So the people who want the hybrid child can have it, those that don't can play the mission and use one of the different options, without even seeing the option for the hybrid child. If you're that opinionated, this still works for you. Otherwise you are just arguing against other people having it, even if it doesn't affect your gameplay.

As for the genetic thing, I get why it is complicated. I've had a science person explain why it is difficult. Contrary to what people say, I don't view the issue as continually being pointed out. It is mentioned in the codex and in brief side conversations, but I definitely wouldn't say that it is pointed out more than anything else. This point seems exaggerated to an extent. It is used to suggest that this would be impossible, regardless of anything that could be done. The idea is that we don't know any way to make this work, so the science fiction couldn't either. Biotics, FTL travel, the asari, and overlord, to name a few, aren't possible by known means right now anyway. You can argue that they are possible in theory, but it is still the same concept. Just because something isn't possible now doesn't mean that it won't ever be, we are always finding that out. That way of thinking is far too short-sighted.

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TL;DR, wishful thinking does not an argument make. There are no easy roads to peace and understanding and a hybrid baby is not even remotely the answer.



BTW, unholy. :P

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I have to ask. Why would you want a baby in ME, hybrid or otherwise anyway? Don't you have a galaxy to save? Play the sims if you want to RP family life. One those games even allows for hybrids :)

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It's not going to happen. It's biologically impossible. It. Can't. Be. Done. It has been explained countless times as to why. It simply can't. BioWare COULD introduce it, yes, but they could introduce a whole lot of other impossible things. But we're talking about biology here, and it just doesn't work. Ever. EVER.



Shepard and Tali/Thane/Garrus want kids? Adopt, or have someone 'take one for the team'; the female having IVF using sperm from someone of her own species, or the male impregnating someone of his own species. If they want to have babies together.... Well, tough luck. Fall in love with your own species next time.



Hybrids aren't happening. I don't know why people ignore everything stated in these types of threads and insist that omg shep an tali can haev babbys! It's not going to happen.

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KainrycKarr wrote...
It only irks me because you pretty much can't be a tali-fan on these boards anymore, because of silly behavior from a minority of over-zealous fans.


Thus the few ruined it for the rest. But I don't quit until the job is done, and Tali and her fandom is burned to the ground...

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illerianna wrote...
Shepard and Tali/Thane/Garrus want kids? Adopt, or have someone 'take one for the team'; the female having IVF using sperm from someone of her own species, or the male impregnating someone of his own species. If they want to have babies together.... Well, tough luck. Fall in love with your own species next time.

Hey, hey, hey...I've never ever seen a mainline Garrus/Tali/Thane fan advocate for offspring.  In the Garrus thread, we have a "no mutant babies" rule, in fact.  Consensus is "Just...no." 

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Not this again....

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KainrycKarr wrote...

yummysoap wrote...

Well that's certainly fair enough, though I've found the opposite to be equally as true. I was once like "I dun like teh Tali, lol" and then all these Talifans were like "OMG" and got very upset that I had an opinion about their favourite character that differed with theirs. If I recall correctly it was, like, one sentence in a very long post I made in some LI squad thread yet it was pinpointed and attacked by a number of Tali fans because Tali is the greatest god damn thing in the world.

Let me say now, though, that I hate her ****ing voice and her ****ing Shepard fangirlgasms; I hate the fact that she's got a hypersensitive immune system yet for some reason it's still considered a good idea to put her in a battlefield with a suit that could easily puncture. I do respect that you love all these things, though, and I don't presume to tell you that you shouldn't, but I also think it's very funny to watch KainrycKarr make posts like that and then imagine a number of Talifanatics sitting at their computer fumigating with rage that their precious fictional character has been mocked. We've all seen it!

But I digress, this thread is silly and the OP is kidding himself if he thinks that the "plot" has any motivation behind its creation.


Who is this directed at? You say you, but have noone quoted...and then use my forum handle indirectly.

Yes yes, all who like Tali are immature zealots. :?

It was directed at you because there's no need to quote a post directly above me.I didn't once state that all who like Tali are immature zealots, though I'm going to start counting you in on that bunch just by virtue of the fact that you seemed to disregard about everything I said in order to spout a little rolly-eyed smily, as though that somehow refutes my argument.

Listen dude, I said that I respect that you like Tali, despite the fact that I don't. I said that I've witnessed, first hand, a few Tali fanatics who got very upset I had something bad to say about her character, and I said that I find it hilarious to imagine said fanatics sitting eyes-bulging, red-faced at their computer in a state of utter rage because someone insulted a fictional character. Where in that did I say that every Tali fan is a ****ing immature zealot? I didn't. But I am starting to question if you are.

Plus, the few overzealous Tali fanatics were, at one point, a very vocal minority. They may have only represented a small amount of Tali fans, but their religious devotion to a game character was just as bad as those who opposed them. We've all seen the Taliban use their collective Tali rage against someone who doesn't like Tali, just like we've all seen others who will persecute them for their idiotic devotion.

But lets do a test. Lets see if this is the only thing you manage to respond to, because I have a feeling your selective reading will just jump straight for a phrase that'll give you an excuse to be offended:
ALL TALI FANS ARE IMMATURE ZEALOTS WHO ****** OVER POLYGONS AND DREAM ABOUT HAVING SUPER AIDS. THANK YOU

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ciaweth wrote...

illerianna wrote...
Shepard and Tali/Thane/Garrus want kids? Adopt, or have someone 'take one for the team'; the female having IVF using sperm from someone of her own species, or the male impregnating someone of his own species. If they want to have babies together.... Well, tough luck. Fall in love with your own species next time.

Hey, hey, hey...I've never ever seen a mainline Garrus/Tali/Thane fan advocate for offspring.  In the Garrus thread, we have a "no mutant babies" rule, in fact.  Consensus is "Just...no." 


Oh, being a Garrus fan myself, I wasn't trying to suggest that all fans want mutant babies. I meant from an in-character perspective, if Shepard and his/her alien lover wanted kids, they'd have to do one of the aforementioned things. :innocent: (Or go find an Asari willing to have and give up a kid)

Every group has crazies, and I wasn't trying to judge all fans. Just the really desperate ones like the OP seems to be. ^_^

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mosor wrote...

I have to ask. Why would you want a baby in ME, hybrid or otherwise anyway? Don't you have a galaxy to save? Play the sims if you want to RP family life. One those games even allows for hybrids :)


Beat me to it. :)
They already have extensive genetic changing methods - read up on Miranda, Miss "I was created perfect, even my looks, IQ and Biotics were engineered" lately? Only downside is you have to grow it in a person from scratch! 15-20 odd years before it is useful...
If I, as Shepard came across such a place, I'd do a Ripley: "I say we take off, and nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
Sorry, mate. I'd be gun-happy by then at anything remotely like a threat to life as we know it.

Modifié par Zan51, 21 août 2010 - 03:49 .


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As I have said in past threads



a hybrid is impossible you have more in common with a slime mold than a quarian

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mosor wrote...

I have to ask. Why would you want a baby in ME, hybrid or otherwise anyway? Don't you have a galaxy to save? Play the sims if you want to RP family life. One those games even allows for hybrids :)


I respect the approach you took in posting on the forum. You may or may not agree with, but you're a far better poster than many here. I've said before, the point isn't to have a baby in the game, not until the very end. It's about adding to the ending itself. I'm not advocating simulating family life for gameplay, far from it.

It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way. The difference between us is that I acknowledged why this would be hard, from a scientific point of view. I have also said how this isn't so different from things bioware has already pulled off. This comes down more to a writing issue than anything else, always does. (not intended for mosor).

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ciaweth wrote...

illerianna wrote...
Shepard and Tali/Thane/Garrus want kids? Adopt, or have someone 'take one for the team'; the female having IVF using sperm from someone of her own species, or the male impregnating someone of his own species. If they want to have babies together.... Well, tough luck. Fall in love with your own species next time.

Hey, hey, hey...I've never ever seen a mainline Garrus/Tali/Thane fan advocate for offspring.  In the Garrus thread, we have a "no mutant babies" rule, in fact.  Consensus is "Just...no." 


"mutant babies" implys that you think it impossible to create an attractive individual. Genetic engineering would help with that.

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