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tiberius_adamantine wrote...

It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way.


Dumb irony is...dumb? Dead horse is dead? 

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I'm betting your just another hate poster.

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Elyvern wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way.


Dumb irony is...dumb? Dead horse is dead? 


have to wonder why you didn't quote more of that segment. Didn't work for you?

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I'm sorry but there are NOT plausible ways of getting around the difficulties for Turian/Humans or Quarian/Humans (or for that matter either Turians or Quarians with any other race in the galaxy).

Why? Chirality. That's why. Quarian and Turian Amino acids (both Proteins and DNA) are "Right-handed" in chirality. Everybody else is left-handed.

That means the DNA from a Quarian (or Turian) can't even link up with human DNA even in a lab, and mixed chirality would be almost instantly lethal anyway to anything above the level of a virus.

The game (correctly) makes a huge deal about this. Quarian/Turian proteins, amino acid, and DNA does not play nice with any other species in the galaxy.

-Polaris


Nailed it.

Let's quote this again so the truth contained therein gets carried to a new page.

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tiberius_adamantine wrote...

Elyvern wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way.


Dumb irony is...dumb? Dead horse is dead? 


have to wonder why you didn't quote more of that segment. Didn't work for you?



Have to wonder why you're still going on about this topic. It doesn't seem to be leading anywhere.


P.S. It is impossible.

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tiberius_adamantine wrote...
It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way. The difference between us is that I acknowledged why this would be hard, from a scientific point of view. I have also said how this isn't so different from things bioware has already pulled off. This comes down more to a writing issue than anything else, always does. (not intended for mosor).


It. Is. Not. A. Writing. Issue! How many folk have to tell you this? I am a pro SF writer and my stuff gets checked with scientists for veracity! I cannot just write whatever crap I want and say, "Well it could happen.." I am pretty sure there are other Pro writers on these forums too.
Once upon a time Gerry and Sylvia Anderson wrote a series called "Space 1999" where the moon broke out of Earth orbit and went wandering the galaxy with the moonbase still on it. When finally the program was dying due to dreadfully bad and scientifically wrong writing, the SF community was approached to get a writer to write for them. Everyone refused! Why? No one wanted to be associated with an impossible idea! The whole concept was ludicrous. Anything on the moon would have been hurled off by the colriolis effect (I think it is called), even if it HAD been able to break out of Earth orbit in the first place!

No amount of good writing will make an impossible idea worth anything more than laughing at!

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Bioware even went one step further and gave you that freaking quarian/turian conversation in Illium to drive the point home that it WOULDN'T WORK, and you still have your fingers in your ears going "lalala". C wat I did thar?



All you succeed in doing is painting yourself as a rabid fan who cares solely about your personal "wish fulfilment" at the expense of the integrity of the ME universe and its unique set of rules and laws.

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Zan51 wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way. The difference between us is that I acknowledged why this would be hard, from a scientific point of view. I have also said how this isn't so different from things bioware has already pulled off. This comes down more to a writing issue than anything else, always does. (not intended for mosor).


It. Is. Not. A. Writing. Issue! How many folk have to tell you this? I am a pro SF writer and my stuff gets checked with scientists for veracity! I cannot just write whatever crap I want and say, "Well it could happen.." I am pretty sure there are other Pro writers on these forums too.
Once upon a time Gerry and Sylvia Anderson wrote a series called "Space 1999" where the moon broke out of Earth orbit and went wandering the galaxy with the moonbase still on it. When finally the program was dying due to dreadfully bad and scientifically wrong writing, the SF community was approached to get a writer to write for them. Everyone refused! Why? No one wanted to be associated with an impossible idea! The whole concept was ludicrous. Anything on the moon would have been hurled off by the colriolis effect (I think it is called), even if it HAD been able to break out of Earth orbit in the first place!

No amount of good writing will make an impossible idea worth anything more than laughing at!


Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr Who, the Illiad...
There are tons of stories with impossible ideas that aren't laughed at because they are well written.

Tho you are kind of right. ME has already established that it's kind of impossible, so having shepard and tali make an ugly xeno-spawn would kind of not mesh at all with ME.

Modifié par 77boy84, 21 août 2010 - 05:23 .


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Elyvern wrote...

Bioware even went one step further and gave you that freaking quarian/turian conversation in Illium to drive the point home that it WOULDN'T WORK, and you still have your fingers in your ears going "lalala". C wat I did thar?

All you succeed in doing is painting yourself as a rabid fan who cares solely about your personal "wish fulfilment" at the expense of the integrity of the ME universe and its unique set of rules and laws.




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77boy84 wrote...
Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr Who, the Illiad...
There are tons of stories with impossible ideas that aren't laughed at because they are well written.


Fantasy mostly, except for Dr Who which IS a kids program, you know. Harry Potter is also kids/young adult fiction. And the Iliad is mythology, where what is thought was a traditional story is accepted as history... :P Star Wars main glaring errors are Han Solo did shoot first, before Lucas re-edited it, and the whole very convenient midiclorian rubbish.

I have no problem at all with fantasy stories. I've even written a few Dark Fantasy and Fantasy short stories myself. None of this is relevant in the curent discussion, though.

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Liara is a bit young to be pumping out Shep's future Blue Millennial Action Girls but technically they're kinda hybrids... sorta, yeah. Unless the Consort or Shiala just show up on the Normandy's proverbial doorstep with some late breaking news.

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this thread.. is... full of... winning content?

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mosor wrote...

I have to ask. Why would you want a baby in ME, hybrid or otherwise anyway? Don't you have a galaxy to save? Play the sims if you want to RP family life. One those games even allows for hybrids :)


^This.

Modifié par snfonseka, 21 août 2010 - 06:18 .


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And when this happens I can expect more Mary Sue's in Mass Effect fanfic and RPing.

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Zan51 wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way. The difference between us is that I acknowledged why this would be hard, from a scientific point of view. I have also said how this isn't so different from things bioware has already pulled off. This comes down more to a writing issue than anything else, always does. (not intended for mosor).


It. Is. Not. A. Writing. Issue! How many folk have to tell you this? I am a pro SF writer and my stuff gets checked with scientists for veracity! I cannot just write whatever crap I want and say, "Well it could happen.." I am pretty sure there are other Pro writers on these forums too.
Once upon a time Gerry and Sylvia Anderson wrote a series called "Space 1999" where the moon broke out of Earth orbit and went wandering the galaxy with the moonbase still on it. When finally the program was dying due to dreadfully bad and scientifically wrong writing, the SF community was approached to get a writer to write for them. Everyone refused! Why? No one wanted to be associated with an impossible idea! The whole concept was ludicrous. Anything on the moon would have been hurled off by the colriolis effect (I think it is called), even if it HAD been able to break out of Earth orbit in the first place!

No amount of good writing will make an impossible idea worth anything more than laughing at!


Quoted for being absolutely ****ing true.  Bioware has written themselves into a corner, so to speak, by making it quite clear that turians and quarians differ from humans at fundamental biological levels.  To go back and try to "write around" the problem would be a complete departure from their current stand, and would lose them any credibility from any sci-fi fan who cares about such continuity, and at least a passing nod to something approaching scientific veracity.

Most of the other "impossibilities" in the MEverse have at least a basis in theoretical science.  FTL travel for example, is allowed under Einsteinian physics...it would simply take more energy than we have any idea how to create.  I don't know the details, since I'm not a theoretical physicist, but I've seen it mentioned on certain TV shows, basically saying that it's practically impossible, but theoretically plausible.

Biotics have their basis in many things.  Yes, the Force from Star Wars is the easiest analogy that springs to mind, but there are cases of unexplained telekenesis, which science has yet to determine if they're hoaxes or unexplained physical phenomena.  Biotics is at least believable, even if it stretches the suspension of disbelief.

Yes, I wrote this before, but it was apparently ignored.  The bottom line is that Bioware has pointed out the problem with incompatibility between turians/quarians and humans.  To write around this problem would be such a loss of credibility that it would simply horrify me to see it being even attempted.

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khevan wrote...

Zan51 wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...
It amazes me that people are still saying that it is simply impossible. It is kind of like a person sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting "la la la la" because they don't want to hear what I have to suggest.  What's funny in a bad sense is that they are trying to make me out as being the same way. The difference between us is that I acknowledged why this would be hard, from a scientific point of view. I have also said how this isn't so different from things bioware has already pulled off. This comes down more to a writing issue than anything else, always does. (not intended for mosor).


It. Is. Not. A. Writing. Issue! How many folk have to tell you this? I am a pro SF writer and my stuff gets checked with scientists for veracity! I cannot just write whatever crap I want and say, "Well it could happen.." I am pretty sure there are other Pro writers on these forums too.
Once upon a time Gerry and Sylvia Anderson wrote a series called "Space 1999" where the moon broke out of Earth orbit and went wandering the galaxy with the moonbase still on it. When finally the program was dying due to dreadfully bad and scientifically wrong writing, the SF community was approached to get a writer to write for them. Everyone refused! Why? No one wanted to be associated with an impossible idea! The whole concept was ludicrous. Anything on the moon would have been hurled off by the colriolis effect (I think it is called), even if it HAD been able to break out of Earth orbit in the first place!

No amount of good writing will make an impossible idea worth anything more than laughing at!


Quoted for being absolutely ****ing true.  Bioware has written themselves into a corner, so to speak, by making it quite clear that turians and quarians differ from humans at fundamental biological levels.  To go back and try to "write around" the problem would be a complete departure from their current stand, and would lose them any credibility from any sci-fi fan who cares about such continuity, and at least a passing nod to something approaching scientific veracity.

......


+ only minority of users who are obsessed with these hybrid babes...

Modifié par snfonseka, 21 août 2010 - 07:47 .


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DEUS EX 3 AVATAR!



You can make a custom with the DA char creator right?



Going back to the thread, hybrids have become somewhat cliche incarnations in my opinion.

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TheKillerAngel wrote...

DEUS EX 3 AVATAR!

You can make a custom with the DA char creator right?
 


Yes.

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Why don't we just wrap this up and have a dev come in and tell good old Tiberius that there's not going to be a hybrid child no matter how much science-denying or wishful thinking or annoying threads there are?

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Just take a look at the "New Born" from Alien - Resurrection and then say again if you really want hybrid babies.

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To restate what I've already said, I understand the genetic problem created by turians and quarians. I talked to a scientist who explained it to me. I'm not suggesting that the dna could simply be "attached" or anything like that in a lab. This would be a major scientific breakthrough, I'll give the critics that, although I never actually denied that. The reason that I say this is a writing issue is that the story involved determines if this is interesting, some-what relevant, and some-what plausible. I don't know a way to overcome the dna barrier, no one does. But then no one could say how you make a lot of these things work either, at least not completely. You can argue that some things are more plausible, and that's why they work, but right now much of that is theory based. Regardless of the theories out there, they are just that, theories. As for the person(s) who said they are a writer and can't make this work, not to be rude that that is you and not everyone. I am a writer, my brother is a writer, some of my friends are writers, but you being a writer doesn't change anything.  If you couldn't make it work, that's fine, that's one of your limitations, we all have them. But it doesn't mean that no one else could. As for the child's appearance, again I find it highly unlikely that a child that is genetically engineered would be ugly.

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ExtremeOne wrote...

Op that would be interesting


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Toasting in an epic bread

77boy84 wrote...

Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr Who, the Illiad...
There are tons of stories with impossible ideas that aren't laughed at because they are well written.


None of those are science fiction.

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Optimystic_X wrote...

Toasting in an epic bread

77boy84 wrote...

Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr Who, the Illiad...
There are tons of stories with impossible ideas that aren't laughed at because they are well written.


None of those are science fiction.



Neither is Mass Effect. It's just dragon age in space.

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mosor wrote...

Optimystic_X wrote...

Toasting in an epic bread

77boy84 wrote...

Star Wars, Harry Potter, Dr Who, the Illiad...
There are tons of stories with impossible ideas that aren't laughed at because they are well written.


None of those are science fiction.



Neither is Mass Effect. It's just dragon age in space.


Wrong. Mass Effect makes an attempt to explain why certain things are the way they are in a scientific manner. Thus, science fiction. In Star Wars, stuff is the way it is because they say so. They don't create any kind of real explanation for anything. It just....is.

Rather like the Reapers.

Reapers=Sith=?!?!??!?!?!