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[tiberius_adamantine]

I've been having a little trouble figuring out the right combination to be the mostly paragon shepard but have enough renegade to dish it out to the right people. Any thoughts on this?

Also, can anyone tell me what changes if you meet Helena Blake at Omega but you didn't force her to retire? Thanks.

[PWENER]

Wasn't this thread... why would you make the same thread twice?



Weirdo.

[PrinceLionheart]

IIRC she's part of Aria's criminal organization if you didn't convince her to turn over a new leaf.



When it comes to play "Paragde" what I normally do is act like a Smartass to people I don't like. I'll occasionally be ruthless, like killing the Batarians who threatened Mordin's assistant, but will ultimately do the right thing in the long run.

[Homebound]

Mmm, Paragade. Sounds refreshing.

[Seth Burns]

I just do maxed Paragon (Or close at least) and about a quarter or a third of Renegade. Like this "Princelionheart" guy said, I usually use renegade on the bad guys and pointless dialogue, but always make the right choices when they matter.

[PrinceLionheart]

Just_mike wrote...

Mmm, Paragade. Sounds refreshing.

Tupari Sports Drink is superior. It'll bring your dead relatives back to life.

[tiberius_adamantine]

thanks guys, also are there any events that give many renegade points but work for the mostly paragon shepard?

[FrancisKitt]

A lot of the Renegade Interrupts. Tazing Cathka (possibly non-lethal), shooting the gas pipe in Mordin's loyalty... A few are just dickish (beating up Mouse/Storeroom worker) so don't go for them.

[Habelo]

use savegame editor. give yourself 200 renegade&paragon points extra and then play the game like you want to

[sinosleep]

There aren't very many options that you don't have access to if you occasionally use your renegade options. I can't stand playing 100% paragon or 100% renegade and the ONLY choice that I don't usually get both the renegade and paragon options for is the interrogation scene. Literally every other choice in the game I get both options made available to me due to the fact that when I feel like being a dick to someone I go ahead and do it and get my points. I've got no problem being nice to everyone on the Normandy but chuckin dudes out of buildings if they're working for the enemy or letting my crew get revenge kills in when they feel the need.

Now I always import ME 1 characters when Is start new games so I get the paragon/renegade bonuses to begin with so that may have an impact.

Modifié par sinosleep, 17 août 2010 - 05:14 .

[termokanden]

In my current game I am getting Renegade dialogue options when I even though I tried to get full Paragon. That means it requires very little to do basic intimidation stuff. Should mention I am a Guardian, meaning 100% Paragon/Renegade boost.

There are a few places where you can't really avoid getting Renegade points. At least I always get some although I try to avoid it and only choose Paragon dialogue.

If you want a boost, pick some of the Renegade actions like hitting the volus smuggler, zapping the gunship mechanic and sniping a mech. You just get Renegade from those, there is no Paragon equivalent.

Modifié par termokanden, 17 août 2010 - 05:47 .

[mosor]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

thanks guys, also are there any events that give many renegade points but work for the mostly paragon shepard?

Just chose the renegade dialogue (It usually comes out better than the option suggests), do the renegade interrupts, but make the paragon decisions and there you go, paragade.

[sinosleep]

mosor wrote...

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

thanks guys, also are there any events that give many renegade points but work for the mostly paragon shepard?

Just chose the renegade dialogue (It usually comes out better than the option suggests), do the renegade interrupts, but make the paragon decisions and there you go, paragade.

That's how I completed my first playthrough of ME 1 and ME 2. The game offers you the ability to come to the paragon conclusion by way of renegade action, it's not an either or thing. You can be a dick, and go the renegade solution route which may be killing someone instead of letting them go. Or you can go with the paragon solution of letting someone go, but go about it the renegade way in which you let them go by waving a gun in their face. You can do this for practically every choice in game to wind up with decisions that are technically paragon decisions, but that all give you renegade points.

Modifié par sinosleep, 18 août 2010 - 01:02 .

[tiberius_adamantine]

Sometimes I'm not sure if the dialog makes any difference. For example, after talking to the council and anderson, nothing shows up about paragon or renegade points even though the options seem to show up in the conversation. Given that growth being displayed is really gradual, I don't know if it changed at all or not. Do these conversations give points that aren't shown?

[termokanden]

If it says you get points, you get points. If it doesn't, you don't. Don't think there's such a thing as hidden points. However, the little window popping up that tells you you got points is easy to miss when there is "window spam" or if you quickly switch to doing something else.

In general, upper right is paragon and lower right is renegade. However, upper right also means yes and lower right means no. Middle right is neutral and amusingly kind of pointless since it's always better to get points, and renegade points will not detract from your paragon score or vice versa.

In at least one place you can pretend to be renegade without getting points, namely in Samara's loyalty mission where Morinth doesn't react very well to paragon options.

Modifié par termokanden, 19 août 2010 - 12:47 .

[Tlazolteotl]

@termokanden

There are hidden points, the most obvious are end of mission choices.

Try it yourself ... at the end of Mordin's recruitment, choosing to go straight back to the ship = no notification. Choosing to look around a bit first, you'll get notified.

On the subject of Helena Blake, if she's retired she's a social worker. If not, she works for Aria.

[termokanden]

Indeed. That's exactly what I meant by "quickly switch to doing something else". That's why you don't see the points. That was a hidden point in my post



For the Council thing, you'd see any points that you get.

[Tlazolteotl]

Erm, that's not what you said.

You said it's "easy to miss" ... that's totally not the same as "impossible not to miss because it's nonexistent."

[termokanden]

Fine. You can't see it at all if the game switches scenes automatically after conversation. That doesn't mean the game hides points if that doesn't happen, like after the conversation with the Council.

[Jincredible]

Importing saves help greatly. If you import a maxed paragon/slightly renegade Shepard, it becomes much easier.



Spoilers comin after this...



You have to basically take a lot of Renegade dialogue choices (not the red ones, the bottom right ones) from the get-go or else you won't ever have enough points to do anything. Taking some renegade store discount options also help. Another very helpful thing is to do paragon-esque actions in a renegade way, like telling the prison guard in Purgatory to call off the beating or you'll kill him. Good times there. Same thing with telling the looters in Mordin's recruitment mission to stop looting or die.



Try and finish up the loyalty missions that require paragon/renegade checks to pass asap, including the Jack/Miranda Tali/Legion disputes. With luck, you'll be able to renegade the Jack/Miranda one and paragon the Tali/Legion one.



Other than that, do your paragon thing for what you want. I was able to have access to every single paragon/renegade dialogue response save for Tali/Legion's renegade dispute, I'm a SPECTRE from Thane's loyalty, the renegade option from talking to the C-Sec customs officer about the asari flagged for geth infiltration and the final Renegade check against Morinth. I ended with 100% paragon and about 85% renegade. Very pleased with that run.

[tiberius_adamantine]

Jincredible wrote...

Importing saves help greatly. If you import a maxed paragon/slightly renegade Shepard, it becomes much easier.

Spoilers comin after this...

You have to basically take a lot of Renegade dialogue choices (not the red ones, the bottom right ones) from the get-go or else you won't ever have enough points to do anything. Taking some renegade store discount options also help. Another very helpful thing is to do paragon-esque actions in a renegade way, like telling the prison guard in Purgatory to call off the beating or you'll kill him. Good times there. Same thing with telling the looters in Mordin's recruitment mission to stop looting or die.

Try and finish up the loyalty missions that require paragon/renegade checks to pass asap, including the Jack/Miranda Tali/Legion disputes. With luck, you'll be able to renegade the Jack/Miranda one and paragon the Tali/Legion one.

Other than that, do your paragon thing for what you want. I was able to have access to every single paragon/renegade dialogue response save for Tali/Legion's renegade dispute, I'm a SPECTRE from Thane's loyalty, the renegade option from talking to the C-Sec customs officer about the asari flagged for geth infiltration and the final Renegade check against Morinth. I ended with 100% paragon and about 85% renegade. Very pleased with that run.

Thanks Jincredible. Hopefully I can use your blueprint to make the right combo. much appreciated.

[tiberius_adamantine]

What does the option "I'm a spectre" from Thane's loyalty mission do? It doesn't seem like something that would require a lot of renegade, what makes it worth that much?

[StoneofTuna]

Im Urdnot Wrex and this is my favourite thread on Tuchanka

[NICKjnp]

Paragade Shepard is a loser... the winner is Tupari Shepard.

[Jincredible]

tiberius_adamantine wrote...

What does the option "I'm a spectre" from Thane's loyalty mission do? It doesn't seem like something that would require a lot of renegade, what makes it worth that much?

Lets you bypass the interrogation, but that isn't nearly as amusing as beating the crap out of that guy.