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[Gethforceone]

GSpotFrenzy wrote...

I can't take this thread anymore. Same stuff posted over and over and over. So I'll take my own advice and quit reading it.

1) ME1 IS NOT COMING TO PS3, IT CAN'T SO QUIT ASKING WHY ITS NOT. MICROSOFT PUBLISHED IT

2) DECISIONS IN ME1 WILL BE IMPORTANT IN ME3. IF YOU ARE POINTING TO THIS AS A REASON THEY WEREN'T IN ME2 YOU AREN'T PAYING ATTENTION TO HOW THE ENDGAME STORY IS SETTING UP.

3) I LIKE WAFFLES

Peace out

This man speaks the truth.

[Lord_Valandil]

Repeated post is repeated.
Sorry.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 19 août 2010 - 06:40 .

[Torhagen]

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

This thing is still going? Lame.

shh it seems to be over

[Klimy]

Torhagen wrote...

Bennyjammin79 wrote...

This thing is still going? Lame.

shh it seems to be over

Oh come one, just few posts until 110! Let's make bets of how long people can go on with this  

[cerberus1701]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

Kasumi was released in what May? I paid $7 there is not any inclination that that price will be reduced at any point in time, even today 3 months later it has retained its $7 market value.

How much is it going to worth to you when it inevitably released as part of a GoTY package for the 360 and PC.  Which incidentally, I would bet is going to be dropping right around the same time as the PS3 version.

Well FTR I should state I'm against GOTY packages as well, ever since they started.

It's not the easiest question to answer but at some point equity would be nice..........which could be done in numerous ways (Discounts, actual Free DLC [ not inclusive of the price of the game ala Cerb Net])

Respect for peoples money always helps corporations in the long run

You do realize that I could go out today and buy the full game and all the DLC for approximately $10 less than you paid initially just for the retail game?  Are you expecting some sort of reimbursement for that?

It's a great question as to why its been devalued so much to begin with, there really isnt that much competition to ME for its genre and niche market.

Am I expecting a reimbursement....no, but again there are other ways to show appreciation to customers. Discounts, the occasional legitimate free-be. Just the other day I got a penn station message for free small fries zero strings attached it was nice, I appreciated it after various patronages there.

I am now approaching my game buying like most other purchase I make, suffice it to say ME3 will not be a day one purchase or even probably month 3 purchase for me. Same goes for any other game on the market!

Im not against PS3 at all, rather I am for equity during the situation.

If that's is you stance on future gaming purchases, then I can respect that.  But the fact of the matter is that Bioware/EA priced the game and DLC and what they thought was faIr market value.  And you agreed with them and made the purchase.  It is their product, what they decide to do with the pricing in the future has no bearing on the fact that you have already purchased it.  First people who buy always pay a premium, be it for games or any other consumer product.

Would it be great if Bioware decided to release something to their customers for free or at a discounted price?  Of course it would.  But to expect it is not only unreasonable, but also completely childish.

I largely agree w/ everything except the bolded.............its been a standard business practice of any size business to reward loyal customers.

It's neither unreasonable nor childish.

Clothing, Cars, Malls, electroics, etc. always are on sale or have discounts. So lets try to keep the insults to a minimum!

More over this is the first opportunity for "Pure PS3 owners" to purchase the game.

For example honda released the crossover in China first to test the market then released it a year later in the US.......the same general principals apply here as well.........to get it in 09 would have been pricey and conviluted
but there are no new additions to the US version!

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

[Thompson family]

I like waffles OK, but I'm more of a French toast man.

[Lord_Valandil]

Thompson family wrote...

I like waffles OK, but I'm more of a French toast man.

Waffles are way better.
Waffles > French toast.

[xODD7BALLx]

this thread needs a lockdown without proper burial lol

[obie191970]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I like waffles OK, but I'm more of a French toast man.

Waffles are way better.
Waffles > French toast.

Have to agree with Thompson on this one.  French Toast made out of thick cut sourdough > Waffles.  Every day of the week.

[theelementslayer]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Thompson family wrote...

I like waffles OK, but I'm more of a French toast man.

Waffles are way better.
Waffles > French toast.

Pancakes>Waffles>French Toast>Crepes.

But what beats them all is a 12 oz. Sirloin Steak, with a baked potato and a beer. Rickards if you have it. 

[Ginen]

I believe that when Final Fantasy 13 was announced on the X360; some people were blaming the system for the visual downgrade and its subsequent PS3 delay (http://gamer.blorge....i-delay-on-ps3/)--it got a lot of people in knots. I think that reaction to the decision to put ME2 on the PS3 is similar to what is happening here. (http://gamer.blorge....sual-downgrade/)--citing worse case scenario the franchise will be compromised quality wise.



Unfortunately, we should have seen this coming. Console exclusivity is not longer a given--publishers have to try to put their products on as many systems as possible due to long development periods, and increasingly large budgets. There are people who work on a project for 1 to 4+ years, then need to find a new job after the team gets disbanded. Other companies are not so fortunate--'failed titles' usually mean the end of that developer. It takes a lot of copies to turn a real profit that people in the industry would be comfortable with.



We can be thankful that Bioware doesn't have a 'too big to fail' mentality--they are savvy enough to realize that the game industry landscape has changed and has to make decisions to accommodate that reality. It is not enough to make great games and expect people to buy them. A critical success doesn't mean that it will turn a profit. There are many games like this: Planescape Torment and Deus Ex 1 are only two of them; total copies sold didn't even crack $1 million units.



In Canada, there used be a large upper class department store chain called Eaton's. Because they failed to make business decisions to adapt to a rapidly changing retail environment; they went bankrupt in 1999. The company was founded in 1869--after 130 years of operating, a historic piece of Canadian history was lost in an instance. Eaton's went from changing the landscape of Canadian retailing to being a victim to it. In Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum of that chain, we have a statue of the founder Timothy Eaton--that's how important Canadians viewed Eaton's.



We need to take step back and think about Bioware for once--they are simply doing what they need to do in order to continue making games like ME and DAO. We should be happy for Bioware.

[Cloaking_Thane]

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

[Cloaking_Thane]

Further,



It's much more comparable to CE editions vs regular at launch, CE gets more, you pay more.



Again I'm not begrudging PS3 owners anything, simply suggesting a nice pat on the back discount or 2, or free-be decent DLC would be nice to placate most 360/PC owners.



Again neither childish, ignorant, or any other degroative to expect as much.

[Cloaking_Thane]

Ginen wrote...

In Canada, there used be a large upper class department store chain called Eaton's. Because they failed to make business decisions to adapt to a rapidly changing retail environment; they went bankrupt in 1999. The company was founded in 1869--after 130 years of operating, a historic piece of Canadian history was lost in an instance. Eaton's went from changing the landscape of Canadian retailing to being a victim to it. In Toronto's Royal Ontario Museum of that chain, we have a statue of the founder Timothy Eaton--that's how important Canadians viewed Eaton's.

We need to take step back and think about Bioware for once--they are simply doing what they need to do in order to continue making games like ME and DAO. We should be happy for Bioware.

What business decisions did they not make or fail to adapt to?

[cerberus1701]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

And just because a company provides incentives with "A" and or "B," that doesn't create a mandate that they do so with "C." Your expectation is your problem, not Bioware's. Not EA's.

Why are they "getting a deal?" I can go buy the game today, and get the DLC for roughly that $60. Are Xboxer's that buy it today getting one over on you, too?

Look up "opportunity cost" and get back to me.

[Cloaking_Thane]

cerberus1701 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

And just because a company provides incentives with "A" and or "B," that doesn't create a mandate that they do so with "C." Your expectation is your problem, not Bioware's. Not EA's.

Why are they "getting a deal?" I can go buy the game today, and get the DLC for roughly that $60. Are Xboxer's that buy it today getting one over on you, too?

Look up "opportunity cost" and get back to me.

Please spare me the Econ 101 lecture, not only have you disregarded the comparable scenario's I provided, you become condescending, so I'll let you try again.

We are comparing ME2 Launch for 360  w/ ME2 Launch PS3.........PS3 Users haven't had any opportunity cost (and still dont) other than doing absolutely anything else w/ their $60

Modifié par Cloaking_Thane, 19 août 2010 - 07:44 .

[obie191970]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

cerberus1701 wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

And just because a company provides incentives with "A" and or "B," that doesn't create a mandate that they do so with "C." Your expectation is your problem, not Bioware's. Not EA's.

Why are they "getting a deal?" I can go buy the game today, and get the DLC for roughly that $60. Are Xboxer's that buy it today getting one over on you, too?

Look up "opportunity cost" and get back to me.

Please spare me the Econ 101 lecture, not only have you disregarded the comparable scenario's I provided, you become condescending, so I'll let you try again.

We are comparing ME2 Launch for 360  w/ ME2 Launch PS3.........PS3 Users haven't had any opportunity cost (and still dont) other than doing absolutely anything else w/ their $60

Your reasoning is a little convoluted.  Bioware/EA are trying to pick up new customers to the Mass Effect brand and you expect them to screw the PS3 for the sake of their existing customer - Or give their existing customers freebies to appease them?  Verizon is on the brink of picking up the iPhone.  With your reasoning, Apple should return to their pricing of the original phone because it will be new to Verizon even though it has been available on AT&T for a couple of years.  That's just bad business.  And like it or not, video games are a business.

[jamskinner]

Blk_Mage_Ctype wrote...

jamskinner wrote...

I wonder what this means for the ME1 squadmates. Does this mean Liara and Ashley/Kaidan will
get small or no parts in ME3 since PS3 owners will not ever have them?

I've said it before, and I'll say it again...

Here's the truth, you're all being paranoid.

It's already been stated on Twitter that Bioware is adding additional content into the PS3 Version to acquaint the player with the events and story of ME1, and even if it wasn't, it's obvious.

REALITY CHECK, Bioware made the Mass Effect series to be a 3 part on-going series that connects directly and reflect the player's choices, and they wouldn't screw that up just because of one port on a console that didn't get the original game in the series.
Worst case scenario, the PS3 Version of ME3 gets toned down so that ME1's choices play a smaller role.

Here, allow me to predict the future for you all...

Ever wonder why Bioware announced a port of ME2 for PS3, but no PS3 Version of the upcoming ME3? Here's why, history is going to repeat itself. Microsoft has likely already paid EA for ME3 to be an exclusive for a year, so the PS3 Version won't come out til a year later.
So even if Bioware doesn't include some form of a save generator, a retrospective, ME Genesis, etc. Then the only version of ME3 that will be affected is the PS3 Version that won't come out until a year after the PC/360 Version, understand?

What does any of what you said have to do with anything I said?  Seems to be a slight disconnect.

Edit: Maybe I will rephrase.  How is Bioware going to(as they have stated) have Liara , Ashley/Kaidan play a major role in ME3 when some people will never have even seen them?  Will they be in the short intro?  Will they be relegated to bit parts like in ME2.  Will they not be in the game at all?  This has nothing to do with what console is better then another.  It is a question more about logistics.

Modifié par jamskinner, 19 août 2010 - 08:12 .

[Cloaking_Thane]

[/quote]

Your reasoning is a little convoluted.  Bioware/EA are trying to pick up new customers to the Mass Effect brand and you expect them to screw the PS3 for the sake of their existing customer - Or give their existing customers freebies to appease them?  Verizon is on the brink of picking up the iPhone.  With your reasoning, Apple should return to their pricing of the original phone because it will be new to Verizon even though it has been available on AT&T for a couple of years.  That's just bad business.  And like it or not, video games are a business.

[/quote]

Not comparable and here is why. The technology hasnt changed for ME one iota, however there are now 3 generations of Iphone ahead.

ME2=ME2=ME2 at launch.

Paying Iphone 4 prices for Iphone 1 is clearly not an applicable scenario.

I understand they want to pick up new customers and am not averser to it...................again for the umpteenth time.........throw the PC/Xbox crowd a free-be and/or a discount

[Tychu9]

TheAngryHeretic wrote...

How exactly are they selling thier soul?  They are bringing the Mass Effect universe to the PS3 so that even more people can enjoy it, and at the same time, BioWare can make more money.  Money that will help fund the next Mass Effect and/or other projects.

I say good job BioWare.  I just wish there was some kind of way for you guys to bring Mass Effect 1 to the PS3.

WilliamShatner wrote...

Well congrats on selling the last part of your soul BioWare.

No loyalty anymore it seems.

They are selling their soul because SONY is paying them to bring over the game.  They aren't bringing it over "so more people can enjoy it".  This is a Capitalist economy, no one is telling anybody they can only own a certain console.   The people who will be buying ME 2 for PS3 are those who didn't feel like buying it for 360, not because they were told they couldn't.

Plus Bioware's "big thing" that set their company apart from the rest is the decision making in their games.  If you now have your franchise mult-platform and one platform doesn't have key decisions then you lose your decision making.

[Cloaking_Thane]

H_Itachi wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

it really doesnt matter whats done is done. plus why not include all the DLC on the ps3? it can certainly fit all that dlc and since its already out on 360 its safe to say most ppl have it for 360. all the content being released on the ps3 would give people a reason to buy it for ps3.

I have to ask, why wouldnt you buy one of the best games of all time..........is the DLC incentive (not ME1 rehash, but others) the make or break selling point? It's arguably a better title than anything out on PS3 currently

[ChuckNorris18]

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

H_Itachi wrote...

Cloaking_Thane wrote...

It is standard business practice, but it's not universal.

Don't conflate or confuse the two ideas. Many businesses in every retail market give their consumers nothing beyond what they contracted for.

Bioware/EA have precedents for doing Stand Business Practices, I havent conflated or confused anything, to further illustrate my point you can refer to my subsequent point on pg 108.

regardless, there is a schism in pricing that seems relatively artifical, im not exactly sure how quantify it. Basically, for $60 the PS3 gamers seem set to get one heck of a deal when Comparing the 360 ME2 launch title vs PS3 ME2 launch title.

A "year wait" doesnt make much of a difference RE: Product was simply not available to "sole PS3 owner" so that point is moot

it really doesnt matter whats done is done. plus why not include all the DLC on the ps3? it can certainly fit all that dlc and since its already out on 360 its safe to say most ppl have it for 360. all the content being released on the ps3 would give people a reason to buy it for ps3.

I have to ask, why wouldnt you buy one of the best games of all time..........is the DLC incentive (not ME1 rehash, but others) the make or break selling point? It's arguably a better title than anything out on PS3 currently

that's why ms fanboys are mad, mass effect 2 and the mass effect franchise was one of the best things they got a hold of.