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[Renegade Z]

Batman90 wrote...

Who cares about the multiple disk changing?

>Implying that the only advantage to using blu-ray discs is the lack of disk-changing, without taking in to account the ability to play disc-based HD movies (Something Microsoft missed out on with their usage of the HD-DVD format), and the fact that so much more can be accomplished with blu-ray from a developer standpoint.

Games like Mass Effect are exclusives because if I remember correctly
KOTOR was also for the PC yet it's been officially labelled an
exclusive. I do not consider the PC a console at all. It's way too
advanced.

It's been "officially labeled" as an exclusive for marketing purposes alone, i.e. to make Microsoft money. Intelligent consumers understand this.

I don't consider the PC a console either, but it doesn't change the fact that Mass Effect 2 is available for the PC, which is another platform that can play video games (Regardless of the fact that it is not a console), making it not an exclusive.

Stupidly lesser number of exclusives? I seriously
digress. That's what the 360 is known for over the PS3. Lemme tell you
why it won't have more exclusives than the 360 games for.

...you didn't even view the link I included in my post, did you?

It's complicated to make
The 360 is just better and easier tech in general.

Easier tech to develop for, but certainly not better.

Regardless, your point is void because the PS3 has more quality exclusives for it than the 360 anyway.

Show me the statistical documentation stating that PS3 has more quality exclusives. Otherwise, I can imply that you are certainly a fanboy speaking on your own bias opinion. Make sure your factual proof comes from a credible source. No, I did not click your link by the way for the simple fact that the PC I'm working on has less than standard RAM it needs to process more than three programs open at the same time. A fourth internet explorer program would have definitely made me crush.

Please dispute Technical Director, John Carmack who specifically uses the word "better" in his description of the 360's tech. I need you to stop being such a fanatic over graphics. Stop acting as if the graphics on the 360 are inefficient. It may not be as "life-like" as what the bluray is able to provide but I nor anyone else I know is complaining.

It's been "officially labeled" as an exclusive for marketing purposes alone, i.e. to make Microsoft money. Intelligent consumers understand this.

I was under the impression that "officially" meant regarded as an accept. If they "Officially" announced it then it is an exclusive.  Who's opinion makes it otherwise, yours? Of course the PC is a platform and able to play games, but you're missing the point. Anything can be regarded as a platform. You can play multiple games "Need for speed," and "Prince of Persia" on certain cell phones but would you consider them non-exclusive if they were also just for the 360 and PS3?

[Batman90]

DaShadyOne wrote...
pretty much an educated console war

I don't see how this console war could be "educated" when we have people who are refusing to fact-check and whose arguments rely primarily on the "difficulty to develop for a console" when that means nothing to the consumer seeing as the more difficult-to-develop-for console has more quality exclusives than the other one anyway.

[Renegade Z]

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I own both systems,and I support this. As I have said before, I am probably done with 360. Will keep it,but come January i'll be all over PS3... 120 pages later lol. Bioware loses no fans and gains a new PS3 fanbase. If you think this move is anything but a win/win for EA/Bioware you are greatly mistaken.

Such a dreamer, cute. I love people who just blatantly deny the possibility as if it's insanely ludicrous. Lol We'll see when the time comes until then don't get your hopes up. Anything can happen.

Show me one time Bioware has failed. EA/Bioware will make money. Even if everyone of you,who hate,stopped buying Bioware products,they win. So prove me wrong. I'm a realist, not a cute dreamer. Grow up. Bioware wants money,not your 360 loyal respect sorry.

Show me one time that Bioware has cross-consoled a game as vastly popular as Mass Effect. It'll be a challenge they've not faced before. There is always room to fail.

[Renegade Z]

Thing is, I'm saying the exact same thing you're saying. Bioware wants money so yes they are going to milk it for all it's worth but at this point in the game with the decisions they've made there is no decision they can make that won't ****** off one side of the other. Their place in the PS3 fanbase is far from solidified. I think it's a bit foolish to count your eggs before they hatch and I'm not upset with Bioware, I've just lost a lot of respect for think pulling such a ****ed move against Microsoft and going to a rival console to boost sales. It's unethical to stab a partner in the back. Especially a loyal partner like Microsoft. Fact is they produced Mass Effect.

[nightcobra]

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I own both systems,and I support this. As I have said before, I am probably done with 360. Will keep it,but come January i'll be all over PS3... 120 pages later lol. Bioware loses no fans and gains a new PS3 fanbase. If you think this move is anything but a win/win for EA/Bioware you are greatly mistaken.

Such a dreamer, cute. I love people who just blatantly deny the possibility as if it's insanely ludicrous. Lol We'll see when the time comes until then don't get your hopes up. Anything can happen.

Show me one time Bioware has failed. EA/Bioware will make money. Even if everyone of you,who hate,stopped buying Bioware products,they win. So prove me wrong. I'm a realist, not a cute dreamer. Grow up. Bioware wants money,not your 360 loyal respect sorry.

Show me one time that Bioware has cross-consoled a game as vastly popular as Mass Effect. It'll be a challenge they've not faced before. There is always room to fail.

yeah...grey wardens called, they want you to rephrase your statement

[Renegade Z]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I own both systems,and I support this. As I have said before, I am probably done with 360. Will keep it,but come January i'll be all over PS3... 120 pages later lol. Bioware loses no fans and gains a new PS3 fanbase. If you think this move is anything but a win/win for EA/Bioware you are greatly mistaken.

Such a dreamer, cute. I love people who just blatantly deny the possibility as if it's insanely ludicrous. Lol We'll see when the time comes until then don't get your hopes up. Anything can happen.

Show me one time Bioware has failed. EA/Bioware will make money. Even if everyone of you,who hate,stopped buying Bioware products,they win. So prove me wrong. I'm a realist, not a cute dreamer. Grow up. Bioware wants money,not your 360 loyal respect sorry.

Show me one time that Bioware has cross-consoled a game as vastly popular as Mass Effect. It'll be a challenge they've not faced before. There is always room to fail.

yeah...grey wardens called, they want you to rephrase your statement

.fail to room always is there .before face not they've challenge a be it'll .Effect Mass as popular vastly as game a cross-consoled has Bioware that time one me shoW

That good?

[Stormer90]

Modifié par Stormer90, 20 août 2010 - 11:30 .

[OneDrunkMonk]

I really wish it was all PC games (well OK, PC and Mac). You can customize the graphic level to your system, quick save, take snapshots and gameplay video, games are cheaper, no ****ing about console exclusives, etc. etc. If you ask me it's the gamer who's getting played with all these consoles.

[obie191970]

KingRanger wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

KingRanger wrote...
Lets prove how uniformed  you are.

1. Price and if it's to high or low depends on the person and how much money they have.
2. The PS3 system itself still brings no profit to sony.
3. No developers said the PS3 was a horrible to make games for. They just said it was harder. They still think this, but sony has made it easier for them to make games on the PS3 with better dev kits.
4. Quality reasons from a game maker or magazine are all based on opinion. 
5. People can say what they want. That guy you quote speaks of his PERSONAL OPINION. Not fact.
6. Platinum games needs to stop worrying about which system is better or worse, and concentrate on not making so much crap.

Just a couple of things as I agree with most.  The PS3 is actually now turning a profit with each console sold.  They hit the loss/profit margin at a little bit later of a date than the 360 did in it's current cycle.  And Platinum's Bayonetta got really good reviews.  It's not really my genre so I don't know personally, but people really dug it.

And let's be honest, there is no doubt that you can get a better looking game on the PS3 than the 360 if you put the time into it and understand how they machine works.  There is nothing on the 360 that has approached what was accomplished with Uncharted or Killzone.  Anybody who tries to disagree with that is fooling themselves.

If you think graphics are what make a game, then you are not even worth talking to.

I never said graphics make a game but that was the topic of discussion before you jumped into the middle of a conversation and stared throwing around baseless accusations that hold no merit watsoever.  ******.

[Renegade Z]

Stormer90 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

I own both systems,and I support this. As I have said before, I am probably done with 360. Will keep it,but come January i'll be all over PS3... 120 pages later lol. Bioware loses no fans and gains a new PS3 fanbase. If you think this move is anything but a win/win for EA/Bioware you are greatly mistaken.

Such a dreamer, cute. I love people who just blatantly deny the possibility as if it's insanely ludicrous. Lol We'll see when the time comes until then don't get your hopes up. Anything can happen.

Show me one time Bioware has failed. EA/Bioware will make money. Even if everyone of you,who hate,stopped buying Bioware products,they win. So prove me wrong. I'm a realist, not a cute dreamer. Grow up. Bioware wants money,not your 360 loyal respect sorry.

Show me one time that Bioware has cross-consoled a game as vastly popular as Mass Effect. It'll be a challenge they've not faced before. There is always room to fail.

Keep spewing your uneducated responses Renegade! It is very very funny.

The fact is. Mass Effect franchise is on PS3, there is nothing you can do about that. Why wouldn't bioware or EA not want to make more money now that Microsoft isn't holding them close to their chests anymore. Whats wrong with someones other machine made of plastic to add another great game to it's library?

You should go to the store and look at the PS3 games instead of implying that the only game is BUZZ.

Uncharted 1&2
Ratchet and Clank
Twisted Metal
Heavy Rain
Dead Space Extraction (HD Remake)
Metal Gear Solid (Not Rising)
God of War III
inFAMOUS
Little Big Planet 1&2
Modnation Racers
Killzone 2&3
FF Versus XIII
Medal of Honor: Frontlines (Remake)
Resistance
list GOES on...

Keep spewing your fanboy non-sense, it's hilarious. It inclines you to be wrong dispite common sense and conventional logic 9 times out of 10.

Roflcopter!!!

Why would I want to do anything about it? If you've not read my previous comments I have absolutely no problem with the idea of Mass Effect going to PS3 but the fact is Bioware lied about it being an exclusive. I don't respect liars and I have yet to come across a person who does. It's a betrayal to the  fans because if it effects the gameplay on the 360 because the PS3 will not get ME1 then I'll view it as Bioware's fault. That I do not respect. I've previously stated that I do not care about exclusives going anywhere but when there is a possibility that I'm going to get held out on or cheated out of quality then yes that calls for me to step up and broadcast my concerns.

Another thing, what the hell are you talking about? I've never stated once that the only quality exclusive was BUZZ. I think you need to get your priorities straight and actually read the previous comments. That was said pages ago by some other person whom's name escapes me at this particular moment.

http://www.industryg...ysis-revisited/

Now, educate yourself and stop sounding so contradicting. Metacritic chart for October 2009. We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Modifié par Renegade Z, 20 août 2010 - 11:55 .

[Cold Blooded 28]

Bioware quit being ****** and stand up to EA,you've made all you past games for the 360 and PC only,I think,and you were doing great,you said in a issue of gameinformer that mass effect would stay a 360 and pc exclusive (should be a 360 exclusive like it was always ment to be) so that means EA did this and your to scared to stand up to them,they already made you make dragon age on ps3,and you know if EA never bought bioware dragon age would have been a pc or 360 exclusive or for both,stop letting EA push you around,there was no point,other than making money,to make mass effect 2 for pc or ps3,the only way for them to know the whole story is to buy or,get a friend with a 360 and play it,Bioware you should be more like bungie and make special editions with a statue or helmet based on mass effect,and 360 consoles based on mass effect with a copy of the game so that whoever wants to play can buy the mass effect 360 console,that is at a low price with a 30 gb hard drive,with the copy of the game,that's like 2 or 3 mass effect games sold for one console,be like bungie they don't work for Microsoft anymore so maybe they'll take you back,even though you just kicked them in the balls with this ps3 release.

[Solaris Paradox]

Hey guys, did you know that bananas taste better than peaches? Well, now my local grocery store is trying to sell peaches, not just bananas. @#$%ing traitors. Bananas are so much better than peaches. That grocery store is selling its soul, man. It ain't right... it just ain't right.

[Unit-Alpha]

Good job, Bioware, way to destroy any sense of community spirit.

[Lord_Valandil]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Hey guys, did you know that bananas taste better than peaches? Well, now my local grocery store is trying to sell peaches, not just bananas. @#$%ing traitors. Bananas are so much better than peaches. That grocery store is selling its soul, man. It ain't right... it just ain't right.

I like waffles.

[Lord_Valandil]

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Good job, Bioware, way to destroy any sense of community spirit.

This is just getting started.

[obie191970]

Renegade Z wrote...
We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Microsoft has done well with exclusives up to this point but they need to something drastic if they are going to continue to compete with exclusives on Sony.  As Bungie and Insomniac have shown, second party studios are quickly becoming a thing of the past, the development cost is too high and the return too little for a second party to remain exclusive.  So it comes down to either first party games or back the bank truck up to a third party developers door.  We know how well that has worked for Microsoft with Bioware and Rockstar. 

So Microsoft has Halo, Fable and Gears coming out in the next year.  Then what - I doubt Epic is going to continue with Gears after 3.  Forza 4?  It'll be great as they all are.  You think Remedy is going to be knocking on the door after making a great game that sold like crap while the game everyone compared it sold three times as many copies on the PS3.  If you look at Microsoft first party Studios the cupboard is pretty freaking bare.  Lionhead, Rare, Turn 10.

Then you look at what Sony owns.  SCE Japan(Team Ico),Polyphony, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego and Liverpool(GoW, MLB  and Wipeout respectively), Zipper, Evolution, Guerrilla, Media Molecule.  That list is beaming with best selling games and they aren't going anywhere.  And the new Resistance, R&C, Twisted Metal and inFamous that we'll see next year come from developers that aren't even on that list. 

I'm not trying to start fanboy rage as I own and love both systems - But what I see from Microsoft in the future is really depressing me if they don't figure out something quick.  Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a quick announcement on a new system.

[Renegade Z]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Hey guys, did you know that bananas taste better than peaches? Well, now my local grocery store is trying to sell peaches, not just bananas. @#$%ing traitors. Bananas are so much better than peaches. That grocery store is selling its soul, man. It ain't right... it just ain't right.

Hmm, nice analogy. The Peaches must be in an intense rivalry with those bananas.

[DaShadyOne]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Unit-Alpha wrote...

Good job, Bioware, way to destroy any sense of community spirit.

This is just getting started.

it will only get worse from here

[DaShadyOne]

obie191970 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...
We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Microsoft has done well with exclusives up to this point but they need to something drastic if they are going to continue to compete with exclusives on Sony.  As Bungie and Insomniac have shown, second party studios are quickly becoming a thing of the past, the development cost is too high and the return too little for a second party to remain exclusive.  So it comes down to either first party games or back the bank truck up to a third party developers door.  We know how well that has worked for Microsoft with Bioware and Rockstar. 

So Microsoft has Halo, Fable and Gears coming out in the next year.  Then what - I doubt Epic is going to continue with Gears after 3.  Forza 4?  It'll be great as they all are.  You think Remedy is going to be knocking on the door after making a great game that sold like crap while the game everyone compared it sold three times as many copies on the PS3.  If you look at Microsoft first party Studios the cupboard is pretty freaking bare.  Lionhead, Rare, Turn 10.

Then you look at what Sony owns.  SCE Japan(Team Ico),Polyphony, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego and Liverpool(GoW, MLB  and Wipeout respectively), Zipper, Evolution, Guerrilla, Media Molecule.  That list is beaming with best selling games and they aren't going anywhere.  And the new Resistance, R&C, Twisted Metal and inFamous that we'll see next year come from developers that aren't even on that list. 

I'm not trying to start fanboy rage as I own and love both systems - But what I see from Microsoft in the future is really depressing me if they don't figure out something quick.  Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a quick announcement on a new system.

that is exactly what ive been trying to say but i am constantly being called a ps3 fanboy

[Charles Brasa]

It's incredible how people can fight about which console is the better. It wasn't you or he who made the console. You just bought it. And you bought it because of PERSONAL preferences. People need to stop finding reasons to explain every single action of theirs.

And about Mass Effect coming to the PS3: wake-up! If you are a developer you want your game to reach the more people it can. Complaining that it's not exclusive to system x or y is extremely stupid. Just like complaining that a underground band you like become famous. Why would some artist (and game developers are artists) would want their work to reach only a few people? Wake up. It's not your girlfriend who is betraying you. It's not even a betrayal.

So, congratulations Bioware. I just wish that ME1 can become multi too. Those games deserve to be played by everyone.

[Renegade Z]

obie191970 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...
We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Microsoft has done well with exclusives up to this point but they need to something drastic if they are going to continue to compete with exclusives on Sony.  As Bungie and Insomniac have shown, second party studios are quickly becoming a thing of the past, the development cost is too high and the return too little for a second party to remain exclusive.  So it comes down to either first party games or back the bank truck up to a third party developers door.  We know how well that has worked for Microsoft with Bioware and Rockstar. 

So Microsoft has Halo, Fable and Gears coming out in the next year.  Then what - I doubt Epic is going to continue with Gears after 3.  Forza 4?  It'll be great as they all are.  You think Remedy is going to be knocking on the door after making a great game that sold like crap while the game everyone compared it sold three times as many copies on the PS3.  If you look at Microsoft first party Studios the cupboard is pretty freaking bare.  Lionhead, Rare, Turn 10.

Then you look at what Sony owns.  SCE Japan(Team Ico),Polyphony, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego and Liverpool(GoW, MLB  and Wipeout respectively), Zipper, Evolution, Guerrilla, Media Molecule.  That list is beaming with best selling games and they aren't going anywhere.  And the new Resistance, R&C, Twisted Metal and inFamous that we'll see next year come from developers that aren't even on that list. 

I'm not trying to start fanboy rage as I own and love both systems - But what I see from Microsoft in the future is really depressing me if they don't figure out something quick.  Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a quick announcement on a new system.

You make a great, non-bias point but here is yet another unbias point. A lot of the developers for the 360 are new. Let's give them a chance and see which way the wind blows when we actually get to the point in time. Gaming for nearly fifteen years has taught me never to count out a rookie developing studio. You're missing my point entirely, while PS3 has a great list of developers that boarderline legendary. The 360 just has more in general. The chances of them making better quality exclusives is much more likely than PS3 consecutively keeping their lead. Not making any assumptions or taking any sides. Just tellin' you which way the wind is more likely to blow.

[Lord_Valandil]

obie191970 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...
We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Microsoft has done well with exclusives up to this point but they need to something drastic if they are going to continue to compete with exclusives on Sony.  As Bungie and Insomniac have shown, second party studios are quickly becoming a thing of the past, the development cost is too high and the return too little for a second party to remain exclusive.  So it comes down to either first party games or back the bank truck up to a third party developers door.  We know how well that has worked for Microsoft with Bioware and Rockstar. 

So Microsoft has Halo, Fable and Gears coming out in the next year.  Then what - I doubt Epic is going to continue with Gears after 3.  Forza 4?  It'll be great as they all are.  You think Remedy is going to be knocking on the door after making a great game that sold like crap while the game everyone compared it sold three times as many copies on the PS3.  If you look at Microsoft first party Studios the cupboard is pretty freaking bare.  Lionhead, Rare, Turn 10.

Then you look at what Sony owns.  SCE Japan(Team Ico),Polyphony, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego and Liverpool(GoW, MLB  and Wipeout respectively), Zipper, Evolution, Guerrilla, Media Molecule.  That list is beaming with best selling games and they aren't going anywhere.  And the new Resistance, R&C, Twisted Metal and inFamous that we'll see next year come from developers that aren't even on that list. 

I'm not trying to start fanboy rage as I own and love both systems - But what I see from Microsoft in the future is really depressing me if they don't figure out something quick.  Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a quick announcement on a new system.

Good post, it's exactly what I think.
After Reach, Bungie says goodbye. After Gears 3, Epic is done with the franchise, I think.
So...what's next? Fable 4?
Microsoft NEEDS something, right now. Maybe "Codename: Kingdoms"?
We shall see in the future.

Modifié par Lord_Valandil, 21 août 2010 - 12:35 .

[Renegade Z]

Yes though, there will be many fables in the future. PM has already verified that.

[obie191970]

Renegade Z wrote...

obie191970 wrote...

Renegade Z wrote...
We've vastly more exclusives than the PS3 and you're only winning by quality 9%. Let's see how long you can keep that lead by next year. A few months away.

Microsoft has done well with exclusives up to this point but they need to something drastic if they are going to continue to compete with exclusives on Sony.  As Bungie and Insomniac have shown, second party studios are quickly becoming a thing of the past, the development cost is too high and the return too little for a second party to remain exclusive.  So it comes down to either first party games or back the bank truck up to a third party developers door.  We know how well that has worked for Microsoft with Bioware and Rockstar. 

So Microsoft has Halo, Fable and Gears coming out in the next year.  Then what - I doubt Epic is going to continue with Gears after 3.  Forza 4?  It'll be great as they all are.  You think Remedy is going to be knocking on the door after making a great game that sold like crap while the game everyone compared it sold three times as many copies on the PS3.  If you look at Microsoft first party Studios the cupboard is pretty freaking bare.  Lionhead, Rare, Turn 10.

Then you look at what Sony owns.  SCE Japan(Team Ico),Polyphony, Naughty Dog, SCE Santa Monica, San Diego and Liverpool(GoW, MLB  and Wipeout respectively), Zipper, Evolution, Guerrilla, Media Molecule.  That list is beaming with best selling games and they aren't going anywhere.  And the new Resistance, R&C, Twisted Metal and inFamous that we'll see next year come from developers that aren't even on that list. 

I'm not trying to start fanboy rage as I own and love both systems - But what I see from Microsoft in the future is really depressing me if they don't figure out something quick.  Unfortunately, I think that is going to be a quick announcement on a new system.

You make a great, non-bias point but here is yet another unbias point. A lot of the developers for the 360 are new. Let's give them a chance and see which way the wind blows when we actually get to the point in time. Gaming for nearly fifteen years has taught me never to count out a rookie developing studio. You're missing my point entirely, while PS3 has a great list of developers that boarderline legendary. The 360 just has more in general. The chances of them making better quality exclusives is much more likely than PS3 consecutively keeping their lead. Not making any assumptions or taking any sides. Just tellin' you which way the wind is more likely to blow.

I totally hope your right and time will tell.  I've got a couple of years on you in gaming and agree on the rookie studios.  Greatness has to start somewhere.  But as an avid gamer, what I see on Microsoft's horizon is bleak and littered with abandoned Kinect's.

[Renegade Z]

Charles Brasa wrote...

And about Mass Effect coming to the PS3: wake-up! If you are a developer you want your game to reach the more people it can. Complaining that it's not exclusive to system x or y is extremely stupid. Just like complaining that a underground band you like become famous. Why would some artist (and game developers are artists) would want their work to reach only a few people? Wake up. It's not your girlfriend who is betraying you. It's not even a betrayal.

This has been stated countless times. We understand that Bioware wants Mass Effect 2 to reach as many people as it possibly can to help increase sales. I'm one of the people who've been explaining this. My personal preference. As I keep saying time and time again. It's wonderful if Bioware does well on the PS3. I hope they can find a way to do that without screwing the 360 community out of quality they possibly could have had if ME2 wasn't created for the PS3.

Obviously there is conflict amoungst Bioware and Microsoft about jumping to a rival company and killing console sales for the 360. That's only common sense. Anyone could have seen that coming. You wouldn't want an ally of yours to take money out of your pocket and hand it to your rival just down the street, would you? I know I wouldn't. That is why most people are complaning.