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[Batman90]

Show me the statistical documentation stating that PS3 has more
quality exclusives. Otherwise, I can imply that you are certainly a
fanboy speaking on your own bias opinion.

Wasn't the article I linked good enough, as it was a comprehensive list of most, if not all of the exclusives of both the 360 and PS3? And you could check the links to each individual non-PC game yourself to see their scores? Whatever, let's analyze this with Gamerankings scores (As it's an aggregate site, it's an unbiased source). I will view the games of the (Comprehensive) list of exclusives in my previous post, find their GR scores, and post them here, for you. To narrow it down, since we're talking about quality exclusives, all games listed will be above an 80% critical average, and games with very few reviews and games that have not been released outside Japan will not be included, naturally.

1. Uncharted: Drake's Fortune: 89.70%
2. Uncharted 2: 96:41%
3. Demon's Souls: 89.88%
4. Resistance:  86.52%
5. Resistance 2: 86.71%
6. Flower: 87.49%
7. Ratchet and Clank Future 1: 88.59%
8. Ratchet and Clank Future: 2: 87.85%
9. inFamous: 86.38%
10. Killzone 2: 90.07%
11. Valkyria Chronicles: 87.67%
12. LittleBigPlanet:  94.67%
13. Heavy Rain: 89.30%
14. Disgaea 3: 81.10%
15. God of War 3: 92.07%
16. Heavenly Sword: 80.65%
17. Metal Gear Solid IV: Guns of the Patriots: 93.56%
18. ModNation Racers: 83.38%
19. Warhawk: 84.13%
20. Wipeout HD: 87.52%
21. Motorstorm: 82.74%
22. Motorstorm: Pacific Rift: 82.78%
23. Ninja Gaiden Sigma: 86.84%
24. Ninja Gaiden Sigman 2: 83.38%
25. Buzz! Quiz TV: 81.19%
26. SingStar: 82.69%

26 games.

Let's look at some Xbox 360-only games.

1. Ace Combat 6: 81.57%
2. Alan Wake: 83.88%
3. Banjo-Kazooie: Nuts and Bolts: 80.64%
4. Crackdown: 83.16%
5. Dead or Alive 4: 85.42%
6. Dead Rising: 85.12%
7. Fable II: 88.27%
8. Forza Motorsport 2: 89.85%
9. Forza Motorsport 3: 92.13%
10. Gears of War II: 93.23%
11. Halo 3: 93.53%
12. Halo 3: ODST: 85.14%
13. Halo Wars: 81.92%
14. Kameo: Elements of Power: 80.77%
15. Perfect Dark Zero: 81.51%
16. Project Gotham Racing 3: 88.69%
17. Project Gotham Racing 4: 86.51%
18. Saints Row: 82.43%
19. Viva Pinata: Trouble in Paradise: 82.25%

19 games. So, in conclusion, I'm right and you're wrong, and the PS3 is the console of choice for people who are not too incompetent to build a gaming PC for well under $500. You're welcome to try to prove me wrong, though.

Make sure your factual proof comes from a credible source.

Sources: 
The list of games I linked to in my previous post.
GameRankings.

You can verify this for yourself if you still hold doubt.

No, I did
not click your link by the way for the simple fact that the PC I'm
working on has less than standard RAM it needs to process more than
three programs open at the same time. A fourth internet explorer program
would have definitely made me crush.

Then don't respond to the post. That "link" was rather significant, so it kinda made you look dumb for not taking it in to account.

Please dispute
Technical Director, John Carmack who specifically uses the word "better"
in his description of the 360's tech.

You do realize that his main reason for saying that the 360 was better was because the 360 was easier to develop for, right? Just because he's a developer and thinks the 360 is "better" doesn't change the fact that that reason is a poor reason for believing that the 360 is better from a consumer standpoint, especially considering the objective facts about the PS3 that make it a superior console (Namely, a larger number of good exclusives and more advanced capabilities).

Short version: We get it, the 360 is easier to develop for. Doesn't make it a better console, nor does it mean that the console will have more exclusives. If you disagree, then I can't think of you as anything other than a stubborn 360 fanboy.

I need you to stop being such a fanatic
over graphics. Stop acting as if the graphics on the 360 are
inefficient. It may not be as "life-like" as what the bluray is able to
provide but I nor anyone else I know is complaining.

>Implying that I mentioned/was talking about graphics.

You need to take a computer science course or something; maybe then you'd know that "more advanced capabilities" != "better graphics."

I
was under the impression that "officially" meant regarded as an accept.
If they "Officially" announced it then it is an exclusive.

No, because companies often lie.

Even though Microsoft says that Mass Effect 1 is an "official" exclusive doesn't change the fact that it isn't an exclusive and is also available for the PC.

Who's opinion makes it otherwise, yours?

No, it's common sense.

Of course the PC is a platform and able to play games, but
you're missing the point. Anything can be regarded as a
platform.

No ****.

You can play multiple
games "Need for speed," and "Prince of Persia" on certain cell phones
but would you consider them non-exclusive if they were also just for the
360 and PS3?

The difference between franchises that are on, say, the PS3 and the cell phone at the same time is that they are
two completely different games. A game that is released for the PS3 and PC, on the other hand, is pretty much  the same game.

In other words, you have no point. I shouldn't have to explain this to you, though; I would think that you would have enough common sense to understand this.

Modifié par Batman90, 21 août 2010 - 12:55 .

[Mass Effect Alpha]

Versus-XIII wrote...
As far as EA goes it a a huge corparation.The PS3 and EA thing is business.

And that's the problem right there. E.A. is a ****ed up company bent on multi-plats.

Bioware would never have done this on their own. Damn, come to think of it, Bioware wouldnt have allowed TOR  to take the place of KOTOR 3 either. It's all E.A's insatiable, bottomless, greed.

Ray Muzyka is not the type of guy who would put a bullet in the face of his largest consumer base while sacraficing a cohesive story with a begining and an end for an endless MMO.

Modifié par Mass Effect Alpha, 21 août 2010 - 12:52 .

[Solaris Paradox]

The assumption that EA is somehow evil for wanting to go multi-plat or for allegedly making The Old Republic rather than another Knights of the Old Republic makes me laugh. Hard. It's essentially a statement that multi-platform gaming and MMORPGs are the work of the devil.

EDIT @ the "don't be a graphics nut" guy: Blu-ray can't provide better graphics, you tool. It's a storage-space medium. It can allow for more things to remain uncompressed and it can allow games to have more content, but the graphics capabilities are wholly dependent on the system. Also, "more advanced capabilities" aren't just graphics, either. They determine everything from how large something can be to how fast things can happen to how much can happen at a time to how physics-intensive things can be to how all those can be balanced without compromising the other aspects. Oi.

Modifié par Solaris Paradox, 21 août 2010 - 12:56 .

[Mass Effect Alpha]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

The assumption that EA is somehow evil for wanting to go multi-plat or for allegedly making The Old Republic rather than another Knights of the Old Republic makes me laugh. Hard. It's essentially a statement that multi-platform gaming and MMORPGs are the work of the devil.

Work of the devil... LOL that's a good one.
What I'm saying is what Bioware is good at is creating innovative, intriguing single player adventures with deep codex heavy stories that make you delve deeper.
MMORPGS are the antithesis of that. They are shallow by nature to allow for the all important social gaming that's become the cancer of the RPG world.

However... If Bioware, really found some way to make an endless KOTOR that you will always have story and dialouge to discover while still allowing the single player to feel like the center of the story... then damn... I'll subscribe day 1.

Modifié par Mass Effect Alpha, 21 août 2010 - 12:58 .

[Renegade Z]

Tell me you were not posting that comment this entire time. You actually took the time to devote yourself to finding all the factual statistics? To prove that you believe the PS3 is better than the 360. Wow, I think King Ranger had a correct assessment when he labeled you a fanboy. While I don't criticize you for actually going through all the trouble to find this information I do criticize you for actually taking the time. You have facts, those may be on your side but I have my opinion and despite how "well" the PS3 may work as oppose to the 360 I and millions of other people still believe it is more fun. That is why the majority of this topic has been angry 360 fans complaining about the being "Robbed" of their exclusives. The better console in theory? Perhaps, but it isn't for theory to decide. It's practice. Of course the war between 360 and PS3 will vary until someone drops a new console or someone just completely loses. We're far from losing. Beyond your statistical data the rest is opinionated "Common Sense" and speculation.



I definitely believe you as far as having better quality exclusives go. You do realize you're winning by seven games and I'm not at all concerned. You can credit yourself for being in the lead now but it's like I said before. We have vastly more developers than the PS3 and the fact is. Having a hit exclusive within' the next year is a lot more likely for us. You're counting your chickens before they actually hatch.



@obie



"Greatness has to start somewhere."



Let's see how far this new talent takes us and then we will decide who has the superior titles. Don't forget the fundemantal fact of every war. It's not over until it's over and I don't see either side willing to give up yet so it's not over.

[Batman90]

Solaris Paradox wrote...
 Also, "more advanced capabilities" aren't just graphics, either. They determine everything from how large something can be to how fast things can happen to how much can happen at a time to how physics-intensive things can be to how all those can be balanced without compromising the other aspects. Oi.

Thank you.

[Lord_Valandil]

Well, while I approve of multi-platform gaming (the more the merrier) I dissaprove of "exclusive content" for only one console. Like, say, "Dead Space Extraction" being included in "Dead Space 2" for the PS3 only. That kind of things only create an abyss between one community and the other, because one is getting "more content" than the other part.

That's the kind of things I hate.

Bravo, EA, bravo.

[hamtyl07]

EA has always done this i do agree with one of the recent posts that if were up to bioware they would have never made this choice on thier own. EA just loves screwing over customers i have seen this with multi-player servers they run (e.g. BF2) they cannot seem to do their job in way that makes them money but at the same time keeps their loyal customers happy. If EA would have not bought out Bioware this move most lilely would not have happend. let me point out however that im not saying one console is better than the the other im simply saying that EA's business practices are not the best. i know they are tring to make money and i see their intentions but this in my opinion is BS. in otherwords, THANKS EA <====== insert sarcasim here

Modifié par hamtyl07, 21 août 2010 - 01:02 .

[xXljoshlXx]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Well, while I approve of multi-platform gaming (the more the merrier) I dissaprove of "exclusive content" for only one console. Like, say, "Dead Space Extraction" being included in "Dead Space 2" for the PS3 only. That kind of things only create an abyss between one community and the other, because one is getting "more content" than the other part.
That's the kind of things I hate.
Bravo, EA, bravo.

Well i think sony did that because of microsoft siding with activison getting TIMED  exclusive for mw2.so sony prolly went and made a deal with Ea which is just business 

[Batman90]

Renegade Z wrote...
Tell me you were not posting that comment this entire time. You actually
took the time to devote yourself to finding all the factual statistics?
To prove that you believe the PS3 is better than the 360. Wow, I think
King Ranger had a correct assessment when he labeled you a fanboy. While
I don't criticize you for actually going through all the trouble to
find this information I do criticize you for actually taking the time.

Then you're being a hypocrite, because you're the one who wanted me to find all that info.

You have facts, those may be on your side but I have my opinion and
despite how "well" the PS3 may work as oppose to the 360 I and millions
of other people still believe it is more fun.

Why is it more fun? If you don't have a good reason to like it, then why like it at all?

That is why the majority
of this topic has been angry 360 fans complaining about the being
"Robbed" of their exclusives. The better console in theory? Perhaps, but
it isn't for theory to decide. It's practice.

And as practice has shown (Number of quality exclusives), the PS3 is still the better console.

Beyond your statistical data
the rest is opinionated "Common Sense" and speculation.

It holds true, and I doubt you can provide a good counter-argument.

We have vastly more developers than the PS3 and the
fact is. Having a hit exclusive within' the next year is a lot more
likely for us. You're counting your chickens before they actually hatch.

The PS3 has FF Versus XIII, The Last Guardian, LittleBigPlanet 2, Gran Turismo 5, and several other big exclusives coming in the near future. There is nothing at all to worry about in terms of having a "hit exclusive."

[Worrywort]

I'm thinking that bioware will have more questions from Jacob and Miranda (save the council? spare the rachni queen? had a LI, if so who? etc.) the beginning of the game to determine what happened in the first one (if they're not stupid). Though that would make them redo the beginning scene with miranda and the illusive man.

[Renegade Z]

I wouldn't be surprised if EA is getting the biggest laugh out of watching the fans rage.

[T.E.M.Squad]

It's cool and all, but when is a special content disc going to be made for the xbox 360, cuz I don't have Live to download any of the DLCs.

[Solaris Paradox]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Well, while I approve of multi-platform gaming (the more the merrier) I dissaprove of "exclusive content" for only one console. Like, say, "Dead Space Extraction" being included in "Dead Space 2" for the PS3 only.

Well, maybe it would be on the 360 version if the 360 version had a better disc format. As it is, it doesn't, and the PS3's discs wind up being constantly under-utilized because everything's being developed for DVDs. I call karma.

That kind of things only create an abyss between one community and the other, because one is getting "more content" than the other part.

You see, this is what causes multi-platform gaming to be such a touchy subject with people. Everyone feels entitled to equality as if they have some right not to get less than someone else because they bought different hardware. Maybe I should start lobbying for PC games to always run at minimum requirements because people who bought hardware that can run the maximum have no right to have a better experience than my humble little Acer Aspire can give me. Seems roughly equivalent to complaining that the console with the better disc format wound up getting more content.

[xXljoshlXx]

T.E.M.Squad wrote...

It's cool and all, but when is a special content disc going to be made for the xbox 360, cuz I don't have Live to download any of the DLCs.

Your talking about GOTY edition im guessing prolly some time the ps3 get mass effect 2

[Worrywort]

Batman90 wrote...
And as practice has shown (Number of quality exclusives), the PS3 is still the better console.

I didn't read the rest so I may be taking this out of context, but you can't try to pass off your opinion as fact. What if someone HATED the ps3 exclusives and loved the 360 exclusives? Would they be wrong for thinking the 360 is the better console because critics rated the ps3 exclusives higher?

There is no better console, no better games, no better exclusives. It's all subjective.

[Solaris Paradox]

Mass Effect Alpha wrote...

MMORPGS are the antithesis of that. They are shallow by nature to allow for the all important social gaming that's become the cancer of the RPG world.

The irony of this quote is that "social gaming" was what gave birth to the RPG genre in the first place. It used to be done on tabletops with groups of three or more people, you know. Single-player electronic games came later.

Frankly, I'd like to see one of these single-player RPGs get a good multiplayer mode. Imagine Mass Effect 3 with a three-player online co-op mode where you can invite friends to directly control your squadmates. Ah, but that would be AWESOME.

[hamtyl07]

Solaris Paradox wrote...

Mass Effect Alpha wrote...

MMORPGS are the antithesis of that. They are shallow by nature to allow for the all important social gaming that's become the cancer of the RPG world.

The irony of this quote is that "social gaming" was what gave birth to the RPG genre in the first place. It used to be done on tabletops with groups of three or more people, you know. Single-player electronic games came later.

Frankly, I'd like to see one of these single-player RPGs get a good multiplayer mode. Imagine Mass Effect 3 with a three-player online co-op mode where you can invite friends to directly control your squadmates. Ah, but that would be AWESOME.

co-op would bring more entertainment value to the game i did find it kind of entertaining in crackdown 2

Modifié par hamtyl07, 21 août 2010 - 01:15 .

[Lord_Valandil]

Solaris Paradox wrote...
Frankly, I'd like to see one of these single-player RPGs get a good multiplayer mode. Imagine Mass Effect 3 with a three-player online co-op mode where you can invite friends to directly control your squadmates. Ah, but that would be AWESOME.

It sounds awesome, but in the practice, it wouldn't. I mean, a great part of ME consists in taking decisions, so, what would the other players do?

[hamtyl07]

Lord_Valandil wrote...

Solaris Paradox wrote...
Frankly, I'd like to see one of these single-player RPGs get a good multiplayer mode. Imagine Mass Effect 3 with a three-player online co-op mode where you can invite friends to directly control your squadmates. Ah, but that would be AWESOME.

It sounds awesome, but in the practice, it wouldn't. I mean, a great part of ME consists in taking decisions, so, what would the other players do?

think of it like this you play co-op to a point like in a batlle sequince  or other combat situation but when it came down to descisions the game would go into a single player mode where you could make custom choices then after the dialog you get rejoined with the ppl you are playing through with or if they want to make it real simple just remove the choices and just play through the combat........but then again what would be the fun in that

[Batman90]

Worrywort wrote...

Batman90 wrote...
And as practice has shown (Number of quality exclusives), the PS3 is still the better console.

I didn't read the rest so I may be taking this out of context, but you can't try to pass off your opinion as fact. What if someone HATED the ps3 exclusives and loved the 360 exclusives? Would they be wrong for thinking the 360 is the better console because critics rated the ps3 exclusives higher?

There is no better console, no better games, no better exclusives. It's all subjective.

Of course someone's subjective opinion comes in to play, but that doesn't change the fact that one console has a higher number of critically-acclaimed games than another. If you measure the number of critically-acclaimed games, then, statistically speaking, one will prove to be superior. In addition, technological sophistication isn't a matter of subjective opinion, so one console is definitely better than the other in terms of technology, as well.

Also, just because someone doesn't like a game doesn't mean that person can't respect a game. I don't like Left 4 Dead, for example, but I still understand that it is a great game, and I'd give it a good review score if I were a video game critic, based on its objective quality.

[KingRanger]

Batman90 wrote...

Worrywort wrote...

Batman90 wrote...
And as practice has shown (Number of quality exclusives), the PS3 is still the better console.

I didn't read the rest so I may be taking this out of context, but you can't try to pass off your opinion as fact. What if someone HATED the ps3 exclusives and loved the 360 exclusives? Would they be wrong for thinking the 360 is the better console because critics rated the ps3 exclusives higher?

There is no better console, no better games, no better exclusives. It's all subjective.

Of course someone's subjective opinion comes in to play, but that doesn't change the fact that one console has a higher number of critically-acclaimed games than another. If you measure the number of critically-acclaimed games, then, statistically speaking, one will prove to be superior. In addition, technological sophistication isn't a matter of subjective opinion, so one console is definitely better than the other in terms of technology, as well.

Also, just because someone doesn't like a game doesn't mean that person can't respect a game. I don't like Left 4 Dead, for example, but I still understand that it is a great game, and I'd give it a good review score if I were a video game critic, based on its objective quality.

Wow that has to be the single dumbest thing I have read today. Because something is "critically-Acclaimed" that means about as much as a pile of steaming ****. And just because one system has more of these so called acclaimed games doesn't make it better. Critics give their opinions nothing more. For you to put some kind of weight into that as a cause for one system being better or worse... That is just beyond idiotic. 

If you didn't like L4D, and you gave it a good review, you should be fired. 

[Solaris Paradox]

It is a significant marketing advantage, mind you.

[hamtyl07]

you gotta love the hate in this thread. i sure makes me laugh im loyal 360/pc gamer but still im not going to keep on saying one system is better than the other it gets us nowhere. sure like another pc/360 user im not to happy about this but bit*hing in this fourm does not help anything with that said im going to continue and watch whatever other hate i can find here

Modifié par hamtyl07, 21 août 2010 - 01:30 .

[KingRanger]

 I'm right and you're wrong, and the PS3 is the console of choice for people who are not too incompetent to build a gaming PC for well under $500. You're welcome to try to prove me wrong, though.

Why should anyone try and prove you wrong? You have simply stated your OPINION.