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[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
Apple Mac is the standart in the creative industry. Not nessesairy for game-development, but certainly for the movie, film, animation and design sector, where Apple really dominates Microsoft.

No, it really isn't, because a Windows machine can do anything a Mac can do. Apple may want you to believe the machines are better for creative purposes, but ultimately, they're lying out of their asses. And even though Apples are certainly used the most by the entertainment industry, that's ultimately because the entertainment industry is largely ignorant of computers and holds misconceptions about the Mac.

All it takes is for a corporation to say "Yo, we're better at creative ****. Never mind us proving this to you, just know that our user interfaces and machines ARE ALL PRETTY AND SHINY" to get the sheeple to follow it.

Each computer has it's own specialties. PC's are for gamers and tweekers, Macs are for designers and proffesionals.

lolno

And as a computer science major, I can assure you, I know what I'm talking about.

But for the sake of discussion, tell me: what can a Mac do that a Windows machine cannot do? What does it have that a PC doesn't have?

Modifié par Batman90, 22 août 2010 - 01:26 .

[CrazyMrHobo123]

@ Th3 Trench



Oh, ok. Crisis averted. I think this thread has seen enough fanboy tears already.

[Simiancustard]

I have both an xbox 360 and a PS3, and although I finished Mass Effect 1 and 2 on the box, I am genuinely interested in getting a copy of ME2 for the PS3. You're probably wondering why I would do this, but I'll spare you the drama and details of my love-hate relationship with Microsoft and the xbox 360. Needless to say, I'm slowly transferring from xbox to PS3. Which means, in all likelihood, ME3 will be purchased exclusively for the PS3 (although this will depend greatly on how robust the PS3 version of ME2 is).



It does mean my PS3 ME2 Shephard will potentially be missing out on some of the more interesting developments of ME1 and how that affected ME2 (i.e. Wrex ), but ME1 was never really rocket science, and even PS3 gamers who have never been exposed to the worlds of Mass Effect will be able to pick up on the nuances of the story.

[CrazyMrHobo123]

@ Luc0s



Batman90 has a point. The most important selling point for Macs is the OS, which is actually based off of Ubuntu (Linux), which is free. Other than that, you're overpaying for inferior hardware.

[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
You clearly don't know what you're talking about and as I said I don't want ot start a Mac v.s PC flamewar.

That has nothing to do with my points.

I used to be a film-editor, animated a couple of short animations for Dutch television (I live n The Netherlands) and now I'm studying game art/design. I can tell you from experience, Apple dominates the creative sector and for good reasons.

No, they dominate the creative sector for bad reasons. As another forumer pointed out behind your post, you're over-paying for inferior hardware and an OS that's similar to free software (When OSX came out is irrelevant; the point is that something's wrong if you're paying for an OS with the same capabilities another free OS has).

Again, tell me what Macs do better than PCs. Specifically. Not just "WELL I'M A FILM DESIGNER AND I THINK APPLES ARE BETTER." Software and hardware-wise. I can assure you, you won't have an argument.

Nope you clearly don't know what you're talking about as shows in your silly posts. You're just one of those anti-mac losers that I've seen to many times on the interwebz. Pity.

You're essentially saying "WELL I DON'T CARE IF YOU'RE RELATIVELY EDUCATED REGARDING COMPUTERS, SOFTWARE AND THE PROGRAMMING OF SOFTWARE AND SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MACS AND WINDOWS MACHINES, ALL I KNOW IS THAT MACS ARE AWSUM AND YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT." You really are one of Apple's blindly loyal sheeple, aren't you?

Modifié par Batman90, 22 août 2010 - 01:49 .

[Solaris Paradox]

This just in: Mass Effect 3 will be iPad exclusive! OH SNAPPLE.



Stop talking about Macs.

[CrazyMrHobo123]

@ Luc0s

The Unix core is the backbone for both Ubuntu and OS X, the difference is the interface. Ubuntu also possesses very comparable software to the OS X. The important factor, however, remains: Ubuntu is free.

Also, the fact that you claim inability to "tweak" a similar (and free) interface actually proves Batman90's point that Apples appeal to people who do not understand/unable to operate computers.

Modifié par CrazyMrHobo123, 22 août 2010 - 01:55 .

[Solaris Paradox]

Honestly I wouldn't mind having a Mac if the stuff I happen to use didn't have pointedly superior Windows versions.

This still has nothing to do with Mass Effect 2 coming to the PS3.

Modifié par Solaris Paradox, 22 août 2010 - 01:55 .

[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
The reason why I use Mac and don't regret it is because it's easy, fast, it works superior to both Ubuntu and Windows.

That's a rather broad statement, because from my experience--developing software for both Windows and OSX machines--I can assure you, Windows is faster and works superior to OSX.

I'm not a computer geek and I'm not willing to waste my time on tweaking or fixing my computer. I just want a good-quality all-in-one computer that does what I require it to do.

Then get yourself a PC. Macs are not good all-in-one computers. They cost twice as much as PCs with the same capabilities and you have to pay full price to repair one when it breaks.

I need a computer for the Adobe Creative Suite, for Maya and for Zbrush.

You do know all of those things are available for Windows, right?

I also do a lot of stuff on my computer while I'm traveling (by train). That's why I also own a Macbook Pro. The Macbook Pro is strong, good-quality, sleek, light and it is fast.

It's hardly any of those things.

For a Windows laptop that's equally fast I would get a big fat ugly brick that's hardly worth calling a laptop or notebook.

No you wouldn't, and trust me, I've had experience with a wide variety of laptops (And even though many Windows laptops are slim and pleasant-looking, still, does it even matter if it's "big and ugly?" Because that argument does nothing but prove my accusation of Mac owners being shallow and caring only about appearance rather than functionality).

All reasons I gave you above in this same post.

And none of those are good reasons, because they're all based on misconceptions.

No I'm not saying that. I'm saying that YOU'RE a lousy "computer scientist" that doesn't know what he's talking about.

You see, the problem with that is that I do know what I'm talking about.

Any true computer scientist I know isn't such a biased anti-Apple jerk as you are. You're not acting really proffesional and you're not acting like an actual smart scientist. Your behavior is childish.

How am I being the "childish one" when I'm actually backing up my points, while you're just spouting broad statements?

No, it's you who's one of those biased anti-Apple nerds. I'm not biased. I'm not bashing Microsoft. I'm not saying PCs such. I'm actually saying the truth, that is, that both Mac and PC both have their own pro's and con's.

lolno

I'm the one who's actually saying the truth, and the truth is that a Windows machine can do anything an Apple machine can do and more.

Modifié par Batman90, 22 août 2010 - 02:00 .

[Solaris Paradox]

Just please let it not be Windows Vista. That would be annoying.



Stop talking about Macs, please, this really isn't the place.

[CrazyMrHobo123]

Fair enough, no more Mac-talk.



Regarding ME2 on the PS3 (and subsequently ME3): I have no doubt that Bioware is more than capable to doing an adequate job introducing PS3 users to the series, but I can't help but doubt that PS3 users won't be able to get the full impact of the universe without entirely playing ME1. Things like the racial tensions between different species to even the inside joke that is Conrad Verner and the reporter (that you punch) will likely get overlooked by PS3 players.

[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
Whatever, I'm not going to waste my time on internet trolls and flamewars. You're clearly biased and not rational in your arguments. You're just being a jerk, a troll. You're just starting a flamewar which I already said I'm not into.

I don't see how I can troll/be a jerk to a computer manufacturer and an operating system. As for being biased and not rational, your main argument was "Well there's software on the Mac that I" and that software is also available for Windows. How is that rational?

So lets do what Solaris Paradox asks and stop talking about Macs v.s PCs okay? Geezzz. Damn anti-Mac ****s. I can't even say I use a Mac on the internet anymore without being attacked by morons like you. ;

Fine, we'll stop, but be sure that the next time you desire to defend the Mac, at least understand what it is that you're defending.

Modifié par Batman90, 22 août 2010 - 02:07 .

[CrazyMrHobo123]

Oh yea, and one last thing about the Macs and I'll forever shut up about them. The two founders of Apple (the 2 Steves), they went to my high school. The headquarters are 3 blocks from my house. Trust me, I grew up around/using Macs.

Modifié par CrazyMrHobo123, 22 août 2010 - 02:13 .

[Batman90]

CrazyMrHobo123 wrote...

Fair enough, no more Mac-talk.

Regarding ME2 on the PS3 (and subsequently ME3): I have no doubt that Bioware is more than capable to doing an adequate job introducing PS3 users to the series, but I can't help but doubt that PS3 users won't be able to get the full impact of the universe without entirely playing ME1. Things like the racial tensions between different species to even the inside joke that is Conrad Verner and the reporter (that you punch) will likely get overlooked by PS3 players.

True, and that's the only problem that having a personality test/being able to choose the outcome of ME1 in ME2 won't solve.

I really wish BioWare could secure the rights for ME1 and release a multi-platform ME1/ME2 combo pack. I'd buy that **** for the PS3 in a heartbeat.

[Solaris Paradox]

Luc0s, let it die. Can't you hear it? It's begging you to put it out of its misery. Please, just let it die.

[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
Through personal experience I can say that Photoshop and Zbrush work less buggy on Mac than on PC. And where Photoshops work flawless on a 3 years old Mac hardware, it doesn't work for sh*t on 3 years old PC hardware.
If you use PC you're forced to keep your hardware up to date if you want to keep a fast experience. This is not the case with Macs.

And through personal experience, I can assure you, what you're saying is false. I've used Photoshop on both Macs and PCs, and the fact of the matter is that no OS runs the software any more buggy than the other. Also, note: if your computer doesn't run flawlessly three years after purchasing it, then it's probably due to neglect/not knowing how to take care of a computer. I've had my laptop and my desktop for three years, without any hardware upgrades at all, and they still run just as fast now as they did then (And these are HP computers, mind you, made by one of the ****tiest computer manufacturers out there).

Also, because I'm a Mac user, I can enjoy Zbrush's 'Go Z' software for almost a year now, while the PC version still isn't released yet.

The point is that it will be released, though. And as I'll discuss just a bit further down, there are alternatives. A proprietary corporate product isn't always (Rather, it's never) the "be-all end-all."

Also, when I was a film-editor I used to work fith Final Cut Pro a lot (the proffesional industries standart here in The Netherlands), a piece of editing software that's Mac-only.

The thing is, though, is that there are open-source alternatives (Such as Kino) to Final Cut Pro. Just because Macs have one piece of software that other computers don't doesn't mean those other computers don't have their equivalents.

Batman90 wrote...
Your posts don't show you know much about Macs. So yeah.

But I do. Also, your posts show you don't know much about PCs. So yeah.

Have a nice day.

You too.

Modifié par Batman90, 22 août 2010 - 02:26 .

[Solaris Paradox]

I hate you. I hate you both. So, so much.<_<

[Batman90]

Luc0s wrote...
I see Batman90 did respond to my last comment, but I won't reply to it. Someone needs to be the mature one and be the first to stop. Let it be me.

Aren't you a good little boy scout. :innocent: