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[bluewolv1970]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

This "Introductory module" would have to be amazingly well done for PS3 players to enjoy ME2 as much as PC/360 players did. Otherwise mass effect 2 is a game with already established goals, characters and choices, kicking role-playing square in the nuts.

ITA

[bluewolv1970]

Tag1702 wrote...

mgs00 wrote...

Haha PS3 got the superior version

I can't help but think that's jumping the gun a little. After all, we haven't really actually seen anything from the PS3 version yet. It also depends on what you mean when you say "superior version". The PS3 is powerful, and the game definitely has the potential to look better on the console, but whether that happens remains to be seen. I own both systems, and I've yet to find a game or game universe that I enjoy more (There are several that come close, but nothing that quite tops ME) so there's a good chance that when it comes out, I'll shell out my money like a slobbering fanboy to pick up the new version. Depending on how they handle the introductory module though, at least in my opinion, there's a lot to be lost in the experience of Mass Effect in general. Sure, maybe it will let you mold the more important choices to suit your character and your playthrough, but not being able to play through the first game to bring your character through, to experience all of the events first hand, takes away.

Now, owning both systems, despite the fact that you can't directly import your character and depending on how much control it gives you over the first game's events in the introductory module, it might be possible to play through the first game on the 360, and then go into the module and create a character who is effectively, and for all intents and purposes, your character from the first game. For me, that would actually lessen the blow quite a bit. Unfortunately, that wouldn't be an option for those without a 360.

Boy, I go on and on, don't I?

Mass Effect is an extremely successful IP, and it's really no surprise that Bioware would want to bring it to the largest possible audience, and I say bravo on that point. The more successful the games in this first trilogy are, the more money they make, the more likely we are to see future games, not only set in this incredible universe, but also built around similar play mechanics and story telling. I also kind of believe we're nearing the end of console exclusives, at least as far as third party developers are concerned. It just makes so much more sense to bring your product to as many people as possible.

As somebody who's been with this franchise on the 360 since the day of release of the Mass Effect, I can understand why people are weary of seeing it brought to another system. I mean, maybe I'm alone, but how many of us can honestly say that Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 were two of the only real reasons to own a 360. I know I've said it a lot. And like I said, I'll admit that I have mixed feelings on this whole PS3 release. I'm trying to ignore it, but I do feel that sting that many 360 owners feel. I try to think about it like this though: Just because it's being brought to a different system doesn't mean that it's being taken away from the 360. We'll still see ME3 on our system.

For those of my friends who own a PS3 and haven't yet dabbled in the ME universe, I'm highly encouraging them to pick it up. I'm not trying to say that anybody else who's posted here is wrong or right, I totally understand where both sides of the argument are coming from, I'm just offering my perspective on it. I know I got a little lengthy here, but I just wanted to offer my two cents.

but you also have to look at the price PS3 owners are paying for ME2 -

NO ME1 on PS3   

Having to wait over a year to get ME2 - when it is old news to pc/xbox players

the LOTSB and any VS DLC will be about meaningless without having played ME and knwoing (and thus caring) for the characters

[Tag1702]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Tag1702 wrote...

mgs00 wrote...

Haha PS3 got the superior version

I can't help but think that's jumping the gun a little. After all, we haven't really actually seen anything from the PS3 version yet. It also depends on what you mean when you say "superior version". The PS3 is powerful, and the game definitely has the potential to look better on the console, but whether that happens remains to be seen. I own both systems, and I've yet to find a game or game universe that I enjoy more (There are several that come close, but nothing that quite tops ME) so there's a good chance that when it comes out, I'll shell out my money like a slobbering fanboy to pick up the new version. Depending on how they handle the introductory module though, at least in my opinion, there's a lot to be lost in the experience of Mass Effect in general. Sure, maybe it will let you mold the more important choices to suit your character and your playthrough, but not being able to play through the first game to bring your character through, to experience all of the events first hand, takes away.

Now, owning both systems, despite the fact that you can't directly import your character and depending on how much control it gives you over the first game's events in the introductory module, it might be possible to play through the first game on the 360, and then go into the module and create a character who is effectively, and for all intents and purposes, your character from the first game. For me, that would actually lessen the blow quite a bit. Unfortunately, that wouldn't be an option for those without a 360.

Boy, I go on and on, don't I?

Mass Effect is an extremely successful IP, and it's really no surprise that Bioware would want to bring it to the largest possible audience, and I say bravo on that point. The more successful the games in this first trilogy are, the more money they make, the more likely we are to see future games, not only set in this incredible universe, but also built around similar play mechanics and story telling. I also kind of believe we're nearing the end of console exclusives, at least as far as third party developers are concerned. It just makes so much more sense to bring your product to as many people as possible.

As somebody who's been with this franchise on the 360 since the day of release of the Mass Effect, I can understand why people are weary of seeing it brought to another system. I mean, maybe I'm alone, but how many of us can honestly say that Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 were two of the only real reasons to own a 360. I know I've said it a lot. And like I said, I'll admit that I have mixed feelings on this whole PS3 release. I'm trying to ignore it, but I do feel that sting that many 360 owners feel. I try to think about it like this though: Just because it's being brought to a different system doesn't mean that it's being taken away from the 360. We'll still see ME3 on our system.

For those of my friends who own a PS3 and haven't yet dabbled in the ME universe, I'm highly encouraging them to pick it up. I'm not trying to say that anybody else who's posted here is wrong or right, I totally understand where both sides of the argument are coming from, I'm just offering my perspective on it. I know I got a little lengthy here, but I just wanted to offer my two cents.

but you also have to look at the price PS3 owners are paying for ME2 -

NO ME1 on PS3   

Having to wait over a year to get ME2 - when it is old news to pc/xbox players

the LOTSB and any VS DLC will be about meaningless without having played ME and knwoing (and thus caring) for the characters

I see where you're coming from, and I don't disagree. Like I said, not being able to play through the first game, even with some kind of introduction which, can only be assumed, will allow the player to mold the more important choices to their liking, definitely takes something away. As somebody who creates a character, and tries to play that "character" rather than just going for the P or R points, it would definitely be a slight to simply pick up a character a third of the way through a story and run with it.

Ultimately though, it's up to the PS3 owners to try the game on for size and see how they feel about it. It's entirely possible that the PS3 version will bomb. It will have been a year since the game's initial release and as popular as it still is, it definitely isn't where it was at that point, so they're going to have to completely remarket it and probably build support.

I just see a lot of incredibly strong opinions, on both sides, for product that we have yet to really find anything out about. Speculation is fun, I totally get that, and I could spend a week here speculating and probably have a great time, but until we actually see this product, I refuse to get overlly worked up about it.

Now, once it's released and I have the opportunity to experience it first hand, then I'll be willing to get worked up about it.

[Crimson-Cobalt]

Crimson-Cobalt wrote...

I just found this online.It is the full interview with Greg Zeschuck and Ray Muzyka which was conducted by PSM3 and was posted online by CVG:

So, why PS3 and why now?

Ray: Basically, we think it's an excellent congruence of a number of things. One is that we now have something we can show fans; we've been working on the game for a long time, and it's at the point where we think we know when it'll be out and where we'll be ready to show it soon. 

And, frankly, GamesCom is such an important PS3 market - there are a lot of European games fans there - and Europe is such an important market for us that we thought, what better time to make the announcement and show European fans how important they are to BioWare?

What does the PS3 bring to the table that the Xbox doesn't?

Greg: I think that's interesting; we've been thinking quite a bit about it. The important thing is that, fundamentally, the console has a very different architecture. 

Visually, there are probably some changes - I mean, there are differences in the way the memory is allocated, and the graphical processor is all different. 

We're not going to get pulled into the argument over which is the more powerful; at the end of the day, they both are, and we can do whatever we want on them. 

When you create games, you want as many people as possible to play them, so this is a great opportunity to reach a huge segment of the market. I think it'll play a little differently. 

I mean, right from the start you have a different controller, and that alone will change the way the game feels.[/i]

Was there a learning curve to dealing with the PS3?

Greg: Well, we certainly had a little more experience on the Xbox side because we did Mass Effect on there as well. 

There's always a learning curve, but nothing insurmountable. It's our second game for PS3 - after Dragon Age - and whenever we release a product we always want to make sure it feels like it's native to that platform.

How big a team does it take to make a game feel bespoke for PS3?

Ray: With every game we release, on any platform, we always try to take a very handcrafted and thoughtful approach to how we deploy it. 

We always try to invest the right amount to make sure each version feels like it's adapted in the right ways in terms of optimisation and control interface. We always put enough people on the project to ensure that.

What are you doing to bring PlayStation gamers up to date on the events of the first Mass Effect?

Ray: What we're providing is an introductory module. We haven't revealed the details of what that is yet, but it's going to provide a lot of information on both the context and setting of Mass Effect.

You know - 'Here's some of the stuff you've done up to this point'. Then you can jump right into the intense Mass Effect 2 action. I think players are going to have a really good framing of the experience as a result, and they're going to know what they're heading into.

Mass Effect 2 is a stand-alone experience, and this is just going to make it that much richer.

Module is an unusual word; are you talking about a video, or is it something more interactive?

Greg: That remains a mystery.

Have you used this opportunity to change anything about Mass Effect 2? Anything you weren't happy with?

Ray: Every time we release a new version, we try to tune it, optimise it and take all the feedback we can. I think the comments were quite positive for Mass Effect 2, so the priority is to deliver in really high-quality fashion on PS3.

Do you think games such as Mass Effect 2 and Dragon Age 2 have been dumbed down for the console audience - or 'consolified', as some PC players suggest?

Greg: That's not a word!

Ray: If anything, I'd say that the console games I've seen have been becoming more and more involved over the last year, including the titles from BioWare and many of the launches from our competitors.

I believe that's true for PCs as well. If anything, it's the interfaces that are getting more and more tuned, streamlined and accessible, so it's easier to access rich tactics and strategy while still having that usability. 

I think that's the real art of video game development - providing a lot of features, a lot of balance and a lot of accessibility all at the same time. It's not easy, but it continues to evolve every year.








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So what do you guys think about what they said?

Here is the link to the CVG article

P.S:I trust Bioware and I'm sure they will handle the introduction just fine.Plus 75% characters in ME2 are new so no need to worry if you haven't played ME1.I'm just saying that importing your choices from ME1 enchances ME2 and  let me remind some people that ME2 is great game even alone and it doesn't use ME1 choices as some sort of crutch.

Modifié par Crimson-Cobalt, 10 octobre 2010 - 04:11 .

[xSTONEYx187x]

In that article Ray mentions how Mass Effect 2 is a "stand alone title", makes sense seen as our decisions in the first had very little affect in the second. Bravo, Bioware, for bending over backwards and taking it up the ass from EA. They wanted a stand alone title for new players and you guys bowed to the pressure.

[EL1ev4EN]

Why not release part 1??



Hey BioWare how about talking to Sony to see if they could sponsor a remake of ME1 for PS3??

[EL3M3NT_Z3R0]

I don't know why you don't realize it will probably be just a port from the XBOX 360.  Odds are it will look the same.  EA is cheap.  But Bioware isn't..........So you never know. 

[Gibb_Shepard]

EL3M3NT_Z3R0 wrote...

I don't know why you don't realize it will probably be just a port from the XBOX 360.  Odds are it will look the same.  EA is cheap.  But Bioware isn't..........So you never know. 

It is a port from the 360. They're not going to remake the whole game just for the PS3, lol. 

[SprintRep]

I played ME1 with my friend and was extremely happy to hear this was coming to the PS3, which happens to be the only next-gen system I own. I'm really surprised with the amount of hate and overall ugliness some of you supposed "fans" are showing. I would be more than happy if MGS4 came to XBOX360 as I don't really care about exclusives, I'm a gamer and want everyone to enjoy the same amount of happiness that I have when playing games. To denounce Bioware, call them names, and the such is really just childish. Of course they want money, but don't you want your fellow gamers to enjoy what you got to enjoy? Isn't that why we're all in this?

[Gibb_Shepard]

SprintRep wrote...

I played ME1 with my friend and was extremely happy to hear this was coming to the PS3, which happens to be the only next-gen system I own. I'm really surprised with the amount of hate and overall ugliness some of you supposed "fans" are showing. I would be more than happy if MGS4 came to XBOX360 as I don't really care about exclusives, I'm a gamer and want everyone to enjoy the same amount of happiness that I have when playing games. To denounce Bioware, call them names, and the such is really just childish. Of course they want money, but don't you want your fellow gamers to enjoy what you got to enjoy? Isn't that why we're all in this?

Nice generalisation buddy.

Yes, some here are 360 fanboys who enjoy childish console wars, but the majority are just worried about how ME3 will be affected by this port.

Examples: ME3 may now be pushed back significantly because now BW have to tailor to the new PS3 players, ME3 may now completely trash ME1 choices due to the PS3 players not getting ME1, potentially exclusive add-ons for the PS3 etc.

These are the worries most are having here, and until new information is given, they will continue to be worries.

[Emyer]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

SprintRep wrote...

I played ME1 with my friend and was extremely happy to hear this was coming to the PS3, which happens to be the only next-gen system I own. I'm really surprised with the amount of hate and overall ugliness some of you supposed "fans" are showing. I would be more than happy if MGS4 came to XBOX360 as I don't really care about exclusives, I'm a gamer and want everyone to enjoy the same amount of happiness that I have when playing games. To denounce Bioware, call them names, and the such is really just childish. Of course they want money, but don't you want your fellow gamers to enjoy what you got to enjoy? Isn't that why we're all in this?

Nice generalisation buddy.

Yes, some here are 360 fanboys who enjoy childish console wars, but the majority are just worried about how ME3 will be affected by this port.

Examples: ME3 may now be pushed back significantly because now BW have to tailor to the new PS3 players, ME3 may now completely trash ME1 choices due to the PS3 players not getting ME1, potentially exclusive add-ons for the PS3 etc.

These are the worries most are having here, and until new information is given, they will continue to be worries.

Not really, no, most people, well on this thread at least and especially the early posts, are just using those as a pretense for whining about the port, since those questions already got answered by the time of the port announcement.

I've also seen a lot of BW "fans" completly loose faith and respect in them by assuming that they would shaft ME1 decisions because of the port, which doesn't make any sense really.


>from: Jarrett Lee

Source: http://social.biowar...56&lf=8#4472503

This doesnt impact the schedule for ME3.

http://social.biowar...3/index/4492055

[Nerevar-as]

bluewolv1970 wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

This "Introductory module" would have to be amazingly well done for PS3 players to enjoy ME2 as much as PC/360 players did. Otherwise mass effect 2 is a game with already established goals, characters and choices, kicking role-playing square in the nuts.

ME1 main campaign is about 10 hous long. Even if adding a few sidequests, if they adapt to the ME2 gameplay, it shouldn´t be that hard to have everything important storywise fit in about the same time.

Couldn't be further from the truth-  the best part of bioware's games is getting to know its characters - but if you think being told who each character is suffices, then why even play ME2? just read the wiki...

as far as side quests...several produce quests in ME2 and others produce other results...

I mean anyone need only play the default version of ME2 to see how lacking it is compared to the ME1 import version...

You only get to know the supporting cast in the main missions and Normandy, they hardly talk at all anywhere else (where did I imply your first paragraph anyway?). Planet sidequests usually only amount to a e-mail, and if you remove the Mako parts (very likely) none should last more than 10 minutes, or even less if we consider ME2 combat is much faster.

I played about half default ME2. When I got to the part I learned default had killed Shiala I had enough. Someone kill that jerk of a Shepard.

[PrivateCab00se]

I only have a PS3, so I'm extremely excited to own this unique version. I've only played up to Omega on the 360, and I've since gone back and learned the backstory of the first game. Some of you 360 owners may be upset by this, but the Sony fans are happy!

[Sir Ulrich Von Lichenstien]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

SprintRep wrote...

I played ME1 with my friend and was extremely happy to hear this was coming to the PS3, which happens to be the only next-gen system I own. I'm really surprised with the amount of hate and overall ugliness some of you supposed "fans" are showing. I would be more than happy if MGS4 came to XBOX360 as I don't really care about exclusives, I'm a gamer and want everyone to enjoy the same amount of happiness that I have when playing games. To denounce Bioware, call them names, and the such is really just childish. Of course they want money, but don't you want your fellow gamers to enjoy what you got to enjoy? Isn't that why we're all in this?

Nice generalisation buddy.

Yes, some here are 360 fanboys who enjoy childish console wars, but the majority are just worried about how ME3 will be affected by this port.

Examples: ME3 may now be pushed back significantly because now BW have to tailor to the new PS3 players, ME3 may now completely trash ME1 choices due to the PS3 players not getting ME1, potentially exclusive add-ons for the PS3 etc.

These are the worries most are having here, and until new information is given, they will continue to be worries.

Gibb, this isn't directed at you, just anyone who is coming out with the worries you've mentioned.

How exactly would it be the PS3 fault if they decide to shaft ME1 decisions in ME3?

You seem to be forgetting one very big singularity shot that sucks that idea into the oblivion it belongs.

Bioware already allowed PC and X-Box 360 owners to start a default Shep in ME2.

Thus, if they were to make the choices in ME1 obsolete (which I doubt) you truly can't lay the blame at PS3. The only way you could think of trying to use such a thing is if there was no chance for a player on PC or X-Box 360 to start a new character in ME2. So anyone trying to come out with such a statement about ME choices being scrapped due to PS3 really is a fool.

The only real 'exclusive add-on' that we are slightly aware of at the moment is the 'introductory module'. For all we know that could just be an elongated version of the 'Story so far' trailer with TIM narrating how we got to the stage we are. It would possibly play out as an extended version of the ME2 intro with Miranda there and them giving a more in depth discussion of the 'icon' that is Shepard. As such for all we know, Bioware could potentially add it as a patch for the PC and 360 versions so that when doing a default playthrough on those, they get the same treatment.

As for delays, am sorry but I find that comment kind of funny considering the way some people have been worrying on these boards over how quickly DA2 seems to be coming out or is a fair number of people now wishing they would rush ME3?

Not that I reckon ME3 is going to get delayed solely due to the PS3. I just want them to release it, when it is ready and has been tested to the best of their abilities with minimal bugs (can't say 'no bugs' because that is unlikely to happen in any game development ever).

With regards PS3 potentially having all the DLC included, people seem to forget that maybe, just maybe they will release a 'GotY' edition of ME2 for PC and 360 that will include all the DLC with it. Bioware wouldn't be the first company to do such a thing and definitly won't be the last.

[Dollsteak15]

I don't think a "module" will make up for an entire game.just sayin.

[underdog12]

hay when the hell is Mass Effect 3 going to come out all i here is about Mass Effect 2 come to ps3 who gives a rats ass   i am sick of ppl talking about mass effect 2 come to ps3 well what about mass effect 3 when the hell are thay going to make it i have complete mass effect 1 and 2 about 10 - 20 times now and i just whis there was mass effect 3

Modifié par underdog12, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:46 .

[underdog12]

i am sick of ppl talking about mass effect 2 come to ps3 well what about mass effect 3 when the hell are thay going to make it i have complete mass effect 1 and 2 about 10 20 time now and i just whis there was mass effect 3

Modifié par underdog12, 15 octobre 2010 - 01:53 .

[elfdwarf]

mass effect 3 won't be coming til late 2011 or early 2012 but that just rumor that i have heard

but you trying get off topic

i wish ps3 version some more mission.

[The_11thDoctor]

I just hope they're smart and also include Move support for the PS3 version. That would give Sony something worth advertising they have. Move games are lack luster at the moment and Move offers mouse like precision, so that would make it the closes version to the PC, give greater control for the menu wheel and add a unique feel to the PS3 version.

[dielveio]

No Move crap. NO.

PS3 already have mouse and keyboard, we don't need that.

[The_11thDoctor]

I wasnt asking for you hater... I was asking for people who own Move. It will be no different than choosing a control scheme. Go back to the rock you started hating from.

I wasnt asking for it to be the sole control scheme. Just an option. The Move itself is an amazing controller, but it needs games to back it up. ME2 would be great.

Modifié par aang001, 16 octobre 2010 - 12:12 .

[uzivatel]

If you dont mind ME3 to be released yet another few months later because of that... oh, and since they are going to add every crappy piece of tech, they may as well throw in Kinect support and maybe amBX for the PC guys.

edit: BioWare could start by adding gamepad support to PC version

Modifié par uzivatel, 16 octobre 2010 - 01:11 .

[GuitarShredUK]

aang001 wrote...

I just hope they're smart and also include Move support for the PS3 version. That would give Sony something worth advertising they have. Move games are lack luster at the moment and Move offers mouse like precision, so that would make it the closes version to the PC, give greater control for the menu wheel and add a unique feel to the PS3 version.

I really doubt that Bioware would go as far as to put Move support in for ME3, bearing in mind that the 360 will also have had Kinect out for almost a year by October/November 2011. 

Personally, both Move and Kinect are just attempts by both Sony and MS to try and garner some of the epic popularity that Nintendo have gained by the success of the Wii, nothing more. Granted I have seen the Move in action and it does not seem that much more advanced than the Wii, if I'm honest in terms of levels of motion detection, movements etc. 

Put simply, in my mind most games do not need motion control whatsoever, especially RPGs as there are no continual situations where the player would even need to use motion control apart from possibly in combat. Furthermore, I for one are as keen as anyone else to even see a glimpse of ME3; and as others have already mentioned a whole year from now is about right for Bioware to make it the best it can be. So not only is motion control completely unnecessary it would just add too long to an already in depth development period.