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Aveline Female Warrior: the Appreciation Thread!

Débuté par Kritanakom , août 17 2010 04:47

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bleetman
Posté 29 avril 2011 - 04:08

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Aveline doesn't even have a manface. At all. I'll repeat what I said above and say that of DAII's women, Aveline is the most classically beautiful.


I happened to think she looked a lot better than Leliana did, too.

*shrugs*

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 04:26

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Of all the characters in DA2, Aveline is the one I trust the most. Once she is your friend, she is astonishingly loyal. I can totally see pouring my heart out to her, knowing she would keep my confidences.

She's got your back the entire game.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 06:19

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The only problem with Aveline is that now I am talking like her. I now invariably say "Thank Yewwwwwwww" and people look at me funny.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 06:42

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ishmaeltheforsaken wrote...

Aveline doesn't even have a manface. At all. I'll repeat what I said above and say that of DAII's women, Aveline is the most classically beautiful.

Well put. She was almost like a greek statue come to life. I'm at a loss as to why there are people who feel she needs to be "improved", aesthetically.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 09:24

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Beerfish wrote...

The only problem with Aveline is that now I am talking like her. I now invariably say "Thank Yewwwwwwww" and people look at me funny.


Hah!

I actually quite like Aveline's speech patterns. There's this endearing twang to the manner in which she pronounces her words, and it sounds great. I think her voice is wonderfully commanding, especially when she confronts the Arishok.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 09:25

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I love the way she pronounces "Hawke". It has a frothy, airy quality which I simply adore.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 29 avril 2011 - 09:26 .

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 10:20

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Zandilar wrote...
/snip

I agree that in our world (and perhaps even in Thedas) working in the military is associated with musculinity. But I'd argue that while ostensibly most military/paramilitary organizations have words like "Defense" or "Protect" put in their names and slogans, their actual goals are usually to forcibly obtain economic/political advantages for their employers. They are aggressive/offensive in nature.

Aveline is different. She is not fighting to *obtain* anything, like Anders/Fenris/Rival Sebastian. She believes in law and order, yes, but she's not fighting to impose order on others (like Meredith) but fighting to prevent disorder from affecting the people she care about. She is reactive rather than proactive, and her fighting style, battle cries, and dialogues all reflect that.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 10:28

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LesEnfantsTerribles wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The only problem with Aveline is that now I am talking like her. I now invariably say "Thank Yewwwwwwww" and people look at me funny.


Hah!

I actually quite like Aveline's speech patterns. There's this endearing twang to the manner in which she pronounces her words, and it sounds great. I think her voice is wonderfully commanding, especially when she confronts the Arishok.


The speech she gives to Jeven in Act 3 is also quite epic.

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 10:29

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i think Aveline isjust fine the way she is

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Posté 29 avril 2011 - 10:30

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I think the first mod I saw for DA2 was the "Improved Aveline" one.
I died a little inside.
Then I saw the "Fair-skinned Isabela" abomination and had a small fit.

Modifié par LiquidGrape, 29 avril 2011 - 10:41 .

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 12:28

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

I agree that in our world (and perhaps even in Thedas) working in the military is associated with musculinity. But I'd argue that while ostensibly most military/paramilitary organizations have words like "Defense" or "Protect" put in their names and slogans, their actual goals are usually to forcibly obtain economic/political advantages for their employers. They are aggressive/offensive in nature.


Which is why I said the Armed Forces was a bad example, and moved on to talk about the Police, who are very much a defensive organization, that are there to protect society and uphold the law (no matter how badly or well they do their job). Still dominated by men. (I'm not saying that's a good thing, though, just stating a fact.)

Aveline is different. She is not fighting to *obtain* anything, like Anders/Fenris/Rival Sebastian. She believes in law and order, yes, but she's not fighting to impose order on others (like Meredith) but fighting to prevent disorder from affecting the people she care about. She is reactive rather than proactive, and her fighting style, battle cries, and dialogues all reflect that.


The difference between imposing order and preventing disorder is just semantics, and as Captain of the Guard her responsibility is the entire city of Kirkwall, not just her close group of friends. If that's what she's doing (protecting her friends as opposed to serving as guardian to the entire city), she's in the wrong job.

Modifié par Zandilar, 30 avril 2011 - 12:30 .

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 01:23

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Oh, it's much more than semantics. It's the difference between buying a shotgun for home defense and actually donning a mask to become a vigilante.

Not to discredit Aveline's performance as Guard Captain, but to me she indeed seems much more interested in "guarding the Guardsmen", as Hawke put it, rather than *actively hunting* crime.

(1) The primary reason she went out of her way to expose Captain Jeven's corruption is that Jeven is throwing away the lives of her fellow Guards- her friends and commerades. In Aveline's own words, "The Guard deserves better than him."

(2) The way she dismissed Emeric's investigation as pointless folly is not the attitude of a vigilant crime fighter determined to root out all evil (ala Meredith), but that of a practical minded magistrate more interested in maintaining stability and the status quo.

Finally, I think it's important to distinguish Aveline's motivation from any other character in DA2. She is not motivated by a personal vendetta (ala Anders, Fenris, Rival Sebastian), nor by religious conviction (ala Arishok, Friendship Sebastian), nor by personal gain (ala Isabela, Javaris).

So what is her motivation? Her devotion to law and order is mild compared to most other character's devotion to their causes. You almost never get more than +5 Rivalry from her for doing unlawful things, and often you can gain friendship from her by breaking the law to prevent the weak and innocent from harm.

I think it is very telling that Aveline is susceptible to the Desire Demon in the Fade (who promises to bring Wesley back) rather than the Pride Demon. If she's a vehement crime hunter at heart like Meredith, she would have been seduced by the Pride Demon who would grant her the power to root out all evil in Kirkwall or Thedas. Instead, this woman-shaped battering ram's only vulnerable spot is in the people that she cares about, especially those she tried but failed to protect.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:03

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Replacing Isabela with Aveline...
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Anybody want gifs..?

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:17

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iOnlySignIn wrote...
*snip*

Instead, this woman-shaped battering ram's only vulnerable spot is in the people that she cares about, especially those she tried but failed to protect.


I just thought I'd quote that because it's part of the many reasons I love Aveline~ She's like a tower of strength who would never let anything bad happen to her friends if she could prevent it. That she's so strong but also so full of compassion and love.
And I love her look, I love that when you first see her bare arms she doesn't have the noodle arms of the default female body, I love her face, I love her headband, I love that she sacres Varric XD
My first rented playthrough (only got up to act II) had my LadyHawke rogue so head over heels for her... *sigh*

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 07:40

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iOnlySignIn wrote...

Oh, it's much more than semantics. It's the difference between buying a shotgun for home defense and actually donning a mask to become a vigilante.


Ah, things are a little clearer. I live in Australia. You can't just go out and buy a shotgun for home defense, as we've had fairly tight gun control laws since the Port Arthur massacre. That's where I'm coming from... An argument could be made that going out and buying such a weapon is as much going on the offense as donning a mask and cape and becoming a vigilante. In this country at least, you would be arrested for either.

Not to discredit Aveline's performance as Guard Captain, but to me she indeed seems much more interested in "guarding the Guardsmen", as Hawke put it, rather than *actively hunting* crime.


Remember also that there are large chunks of time that are unaccounted for during the game. Who knows what Aveline is doing in that time. I'd like to think she'd be, you know, actually doing her job for a change, rather than following Hawke around on her gallivantings.

You've got some very good valid points in the rest of your post, but I still disagree with the idea that Aveline's brand of protection is inherantly feminine. Since there are many many male characters in a variety of sources and mediums that are also motivated by wanting to protect their loved ones, and who also ache to turn back the clock when they failed, at some point, to do so. I think the idea of wanting protecting loved ones is really a gender neutral impulse in the human species.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:26

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Good, so we mostly agree about Aveline. We just have different views on what should be considered feminine. That is totally expected- my view on femininity has never been in the majority anyway. :-)

I wonder if you've read the codex entries "Aveline- After the Deep Roads Expedition" and "Aveline- The Last Three Years", you know, those that pop up after you talk to her for the first time in Acts 2 and 3. For my part, I'm completely unsurprised that there are rumors of her "coddling the men" by the time of Act 3. "Coddling" may not be the best word, but "mothering" would certainly work as I understand it.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:33

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Also a note: Aveline, Meredith, Marethari, Elthina are among the most powerful characters in DA2, all in roles of protector/guardian of large groups of people, and they are all females (and all very feminine to me, except perhaps Meredith).

By constrast, it seems that prominent male characters in this game are more or less all in the role of insurgents/instigators (Anders, Fenris, Rival Sebastian- your three male romance options are the top examples). The only male protector I can think of is Viscount Dumar, and yet he does not strike me as very masculine at all- perhaps precisely because he is a protector?

Modifié par iOnlySignIn, 30 avril 2011 - 08:51 .

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:44

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TriviaAeducan wrote...

Replacing Isabela with Aveline...

Anybody want gifs..?


I think its a must.

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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 08:51

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TriviaAeducan wrote...

Replacing Isabela with Aveline...

*snip*


*snicker* Shouldn't Aveline carry Hawke and not the other way around? Image IPB She is the big girl after all


TriviaAeducan wrote...

Anybody want gifs..?


Hell yeah!

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GameBoyish
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 10:03

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TobiTobsen wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Replacing Isabela with Aveline...

*snip*


*snicker* Shouldn't Aveline carry Hawke and not the other way around? Image IPB She is the big girl after all


I had issues with Aveline switching into Hawke's finery so i went what the heck.

Also, Aveline is a minx.

TobiTobsen wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Anybody want gifs..?


Hell yeah!


Alrighty....:lol:

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GameBoyish
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 11:57

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Here's the Aveline is a Minx gif!
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Posté 30 avril 2011 - 12:09

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TriviaAeducan wrote...

Here's the Aveline is a Minx gif!


*cheer* Kudos to you, Trivia! You win the Internet!

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GameBoyish
Posté 30 avril 2011 - 01:14

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TobiTobsen wrote...

TriviaAeducan wrote...

Here's the Aveline is a Minx gif!


*cheer* Kudos to you, Trivia! You win the Internet!


YAY MOAR INTERNETS :o

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GameBoyish
Posté 01 mai 2011 - 02:02

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MHawke edition!
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Posté 03 mai 2011 - 10:04

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hoorayforicecream wrote...

panchamkauns wrote...

Everything I write on this forum is after a glass or two of wine, by the way. Here’s hoping for a straight (OR IS HE REALLY ...?) sissy-boy in DA3! :D


Sebastian is already in DA2. :?

Right, time to get that DLC ... :innocent:
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