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[moilami]

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea as to what the rivalry path will make of Aveline. Maybe she will become hardened or jealous, or even she becomes to resent her realtionship with Wesley...  no idea whatsoever.

Avelina looks like a strong woman who could just go on her on way. I don't at the moment see why she would even join on some group of freaks.

How dare you call an apostate, a commoner, a hairy dwarf, a streaker pirate, a derp herp, an exiled elf and an ex-slave elf imbued with lyrium, freaks?

Wait. Are there not any templars? Who the F* is then supposed to check traps by walking around?

[otaku4ever]

moilami wrote...

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea as to what the rivalry path will make of Aveline. Maybe she will become hardened or jealous, or even she becomes to resent her realtionship with Wesley...  no idea whatsoever.

Avelina looks like a strong woman who could just go on her on way. I don't at the moment see why she would even join on some group of freaks.

How dare you call an apostate, a commoner, a hairy dwarf, a streaker pirate, a derp herp, an exiled elf and an ex-slave elf imbued with lyrium, freaks?

Wait. Are there not any templars? Who the F* is then supposed to check traps by walking around?

Weasley. He dies.

Also you have hairy and streaker or yourself (if ninja rogue)

edit: Aveline is a tank but I'd never make her the trap detector

Modifié par otaku4ever, 30 janvier 2011 - 03:35 .

[Dr. Doctor]

If characters are supposed to grow and change over the course of DA2 perhaps Aveline will simply join the city guard as a lowly officer and over the years rising in the ranks to become the commander of the guard.

From what we get from Kirkwall's backstory and the backstory of the Guard, the relationship between the Templars and the people of Kirkwall is a strained one. Viscount Dumar only remains in power because the Templars allow it, and from the looks of things it seems like they're the ones running the show. Aveline is trained as a Chevalier, as a soldier who is known the world over for their martial prowess. If anyone could turn the City Guard from a force too small to challenge the Templars into an elite fighting force it would be Aveline.

[moilami]

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea as to what the rivalry path will make of Aveline. Maybe she will become hardened or jealous, or even she becomes to resent her realtionship with Wesley...  no idea whatsoever.

Avelina looks like a strong woman who could just go on her on way. I don't at the moment see why she would even join on some group of freaks.

How dare you call an apostate, a commoner, a hairy dwarf, a streaker pirate, a derp herp, an exiled elf and an ex-slave elf imbued with lyrium, freaks?

Wait. Are there not any templars? Who the F* is then supposed to check traps by walking around?

Weasley. He dies.

Also you have hairy and streaker or yourself (if ninja rogue)

edit: Aveline is a tank but I'd never make her the trap detector

Argh, my rogue would so much enjoy to say to the templar that "just because I am a rogue doesn't mean it is me who should check for traps. It is your job now."

[JediHealerCosmin]

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea as to what the rivalry path will make of Aveline. Maybe she will become hardened or jealous, or even she becomes to resent her realtionship with Wesley...  no idea whatsoever.

Avelina looks like a strong woman who could just go on her on way. I don't at the moment see why she would even join on some group of freaks.

How dare you call an apostate, a commoner, a hairy dwarf, a streaker pirate, a derp herp, an exiled elf and an ex-slave elf imbued with lyrium, freaks?

Don't forget about the spirit dog that appears from a whistle ^^

[otaku4ever]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

otaku4ever wrote...

moilami wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

To be honest, I have absolutely no idea as to what the rivalry path will make of Aveline. Maybe she will become hardened or jealous, or even she becomes to resent her realtionship with Wesley...  no idea whatsoever.

Avelina looks like a strong woman who could just go on her on way. I don't at the moment see why she would even join on some group of freaks.

How dare you call an apostate, a commoner, a hairy dwarf, a streaker pirate, a derp herp, an exiled elf and an ex-slave elf imbued with lyrium, freaks?

Don't forget about the spirit dog that appears from a whistle ^^

And young master and pseudo Anders xD

[JediHealerCosmin]

Yep, this is the dream team that's going to save Kirkwall.
All we need now is a mascot. But that's where Sandal comes in  

[otaku4ever]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Yep, this is the dream team that's going to save Kirkwall.
All we need now is a mascot. But that's where Sandal comes in  

Nah, he's too busy managing the Black Emporium ;D

[JediHealerCosmin]

I see what you did there  

[TheRevanchist]

Just so you know...in 9:20 Dragon the Viscount of Kirkwall waged a brief and disasterus war with the Templars in an attempt to remove them from the city. obviously it ended in complete failure due to the sheer numbers of Templars. However when Orlais took control of Kirkwall in 7:80 Storm the first Viscount of Kirkwall...who was an Orlisan, founded the city guard because HE thought there should be something else other then Templars in the city, to return control of the city to the people who lived there and not let the Chantry control it. This from an Orlisan of all people.



So perhaps Aveline shares the same idea? -wink wink nudge nudge-

[JediHealerCosmin]

Possibly... but we shouldn't forget that Wesley was a templar, and quite possibly she shares the Templar ideals. I also think this thing is put into perspective from the fact that she reacts negatively towards Hawke's sister.
The first time I'm going to play however, I'm going to try and stay neutral of the whole Templar/Mage conflict. Maybe there's a way to make peace

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 30 janvier 2011 - 06:00 .

[TheRevanchist]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Possibly... but we shouldn't forget that Wesley was a templar, and quite possibly she shares the Templar ideals. I also think this thing is put into perspective from the fact that she reacts negatively towards Hawke's sister.
The first time I'm going to play however, I'm going to try and stay neutral of the whole Templar/Mage conflict. Maybe there's a way to make peace

Honestly...I can't, in clear consious, actually pick a side in that argument. Because there is no easy answer to that debate, despite what others on these forums might say. David Gaider gives a splendid defence of the Chantry perspective when pro Circle people start screaming "burn the Chantry" and crap like that. I think what templars do is nessisary but I also think mages are treated badly. However Templars do more then simply lock them away like prisoners, they keep them safe from the rest of the world, who utterly hates mages. But I won't derail this thread with this.

On topic: It's true she does seem to dislike Bethany, hoiwever like I said most people of the world simply don't trust magic. It might have something to do with Carver, then again it might not. However I am sure we will find out before the games over what side she is on.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Off-topic for a second: I couldn't agree more. We have two sides fighting against each other when there is a bigger threat coming from outside the city's walls (qunari invasion anyone?). I strongly believe that this will have a major influence on the conflict because it represents a chance of getting the two sides to work together (however I could be wrong, but that's all up to BioWare). Frankly I see this whole situation like the Quarian-Geth thing. Two sides fighting when... uh-oh, giant sentient machines are coming to wipe everyone out  

Back on topic:

Again I'm going to have to agree with you. From a certain perspective I believe that Carver will be extremely important in the subplot if Aveline proves to be a LI (again, we can all hope :innocent: ). By this I mean that Carver might also be competing with Hawke for her, with the advantage of being a warrior, unlike his brother (who, in return is a mage). They all meet from the very beginnning, so why not? 

[otaku4ever]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Off-topic for a second: I couldn't agree more. We have two sides fighting against each other when there is a bigger threat coming from outside the city's walls (qunari invasion anyone?). I strongly believe that this will have a major influence on the conflict because it represents a chance of getting the two sides to work together (however I could be wrong, but that's all up to BioWare). Frankly I see this whole situation like the Quarian-Geth thing. Two sides fighting when... uh-oh, giant sentient machines are coming to wipe everyone out  

Back on topic:

Again I'm going to have to agree with you. From a certain perspective I believe that Carver will be extremely important in the subplot if Aveline proves to be a LI (again, we can all hope :innocent: ). By this I mean that Carver might also be competing with Hawke for her, with the advantage of being a warrior, unlike his brother (who, in return is a mage). They all meet from the very beginnning, so why not? 

I'll play as a rogue so I won't have to kick Carver's arse and I know Bethany will take one for her dear brother's romance
But the point is that Carver isn't much of a threat as we can see in the rise to power trailer ("...yes, brother")

[TheRevanchist]

I'm sorry did I say Carver? I meant Weasly. You had said maybe her hatred of mages comes from Weasly, and I responded...like an idiot I said Carver...But yea...I find it just as hard to pick a side in the Geth-Quarian thing as well. Both are right and wrong all at once. If I can end the dispute to unify them to deal the Qunari I certinaly will.

[Clearing]

otaku4ever wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

Off-topic for a second: I couldn't agree more. We have two sides fighting against each other when there is a bigger threat coming from outside the city's walls (qunari invasion anyone?). I strongly believe that this will have a major influence on the conflict because it represents a chance of getting the two sides to work together (however I could be wrong, but that's all up to BioWare). Frankly I see this whole situation like the Quarian-Geth thing. Two sides fighting when... uh-oh, giant sentient machines are coming to wipe everyone out  

Back on topic:

Again I'm going to have to agree with you. From a certain perspective I believe that Carver will be extremely important in the subplot if Aveline proves to be a LI (again, we can all hope :innocent: ). By this I mean that Carver might also be competing with Hawke for her, with the advantage of being a warrior, unlike his brother (who, in return is a mage). They all meet from the very beginnning, so why not? 

I'll play as a rogue so I won't have to kick Carver's arse and I know Bethany will take one for her dear brother's romance
But the point is that Carver isn't much of a threat as we can see in the rise to power trailer ("...yes, brother")

I dunno, as a youngest sibling myself, resentment builds up pretty quickly when your sibling constantly pulls the older power card. You fold to it for awhile, but before long the situation explodes. No argument is like a sibling argument, because siblings know things about you that a friend would not. Carver doesn't seem like a doormat, it seems he's more...biding his time. Either way, I'm excited for Bethany and Carver.

All this talk of Aveline and Carver is making me think, though. Perhaps if I cannot have Aveline, I will have to set her up with my brother...(strokes imaginary beard) Blastphemy, I know, but I imagine if she is an LI, she'll probably be a heterosexual one, and I intend to play a female game first. (Likely, though, I'll end up running a male mage and a female warrior simotaniously, though. ...I got a lot of time on my hands) 

[JediHealerCosmin]

kylecouch wrote...

I'm sorry did I say Carver? I meant Weasly. You had said maybe her hatred of mages comes from Weasly, and I responded...like an idiot I said Carver...But yea...I find it just as hard to pick a side in the Geth-Quarian thing as well. Both are right and wrong all at once. If I can end the dispute to unify them to deal the Qunari I certinaly will.

Whatever you meant, you are right nonetheless  Wesley is going to be important, of that I have no doubt. Why else would BioWare even include the poor guy if they were gonna kill him off from the very beginning? 

[TheRevanchist]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I'm sorry did I say Carver? I meant Weasly. You had said maybe her hatred of mages comes from Weasly, and I responded...like an idiot I said Carver...But yea...I find it just as hard to pick a side in the Geth-Quarian thing as well. Both are right and wrong all at once. If I can end the dispute to unify them to deal the Qunari I certinaly will.

Whatever you meant, you are right nonetheless  Wesley is going to be important, of that I have no doubt. Why else would BioWare even include the poor guy if they were gonna kill him off from the very beginning? 

Indeed...thats why I think a romance with her would be fantastic. Thats a whole new variable Bioware hasn't done before and has TONS of potential.

[JediHealerCosmin]

Hopefully we will be able to hear more of her voice if the whole demo thing proves true. I just hope they bring it on PC also   
We could also get some better screenshots 

[otaku4ever]

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I'm sorry did I say Carver? I meant Weasly. You had said maybe her hatred of mages comes from Weasly, and I responded...like an idiot I said Carver...But yea...I find it just as hard to pick a side in the Geth-Quarian thing as well. Both are right and wrong all at once. If I can end the dispute to unify them to deal the Qunari I certinaly will.

Whatever you meant, you are right nonetheless  Wesley is going to be important, of that I have no doubt. Why else would BioWare even include the poor guy if they were gonna kill him off from the very beginning? 

Lets see, Cousland's whole family, Dalish elf's friend, noble dwarf's brother, Mhairi, Your city elf's bethroted, etc...
It seems Bioware loves to do this...

[Gabriel S.]

otaku4ever wrote...

JediHealerCosmin wrote...

kylecouch wrote...

I'm sorry did I say Carver? I meant Weasly. You had said maybe her hatred of mages comes from Weasly, and I responded...like an idiot I said Carver...But yea...I find it just as hard to pick a side in the Geth-Quarian thing as well. Both are right and wrong all at once. If I can end the dispute to unify them to deal the Qunari I certinaly will.

Whatever you meant, you are right nonetheless  Wesley is going to be important, of that I have no doubt. Why else would BioWare even include the poor guy if they were gonna kill him off from the very beginning? 

Lets see, Cousland's whole family, Dalish elf's friend, noble dwarf's brother, Mhairi, Your city elf's bethroted, etc...
It seems Bioware loves to do this...

Because it provides a drive for certain characters.

Some characters serve the story better if they're dead.

Modifié par Gabriel Stelinski, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:20 .

[HolyAvenger]

Family tragedy? Instant darkness. Bioware rarely if ever do happy, happy, joy, joy characters.

[Collider]

Do we know that Aveline is a templar?

[JediHealerCosmin]

At a BioWare writers' meeting...

Mr. Laidlaw: "Alright, I've been looking over your characters and have come up with the perfect scenarios for them. Yours becomes a companion. Yours a merchant. And yours dies at the beginning of the story."

Writer #1:  
Writer #2:  
Writer #3:   

Modifié par JediHealerCosmin, 31 janvier 2011 - 10:44 .

[JediHealerCosmin]

Collider wrote...

Do we know that Aveline is a templar?

Only that her husband is one. As far as we know, she is just a warrior.