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[namedforthemoon]

Dear Bioware,

I am a female gamer, and I love the fact that I can play a female character in your games. I especially love Dragon Age and the Dragon Age franchise.

I know you already have a male Hawke set up for your Dragon Age 2 trailers, but in the future, would you please consider showcasing a female hero for future Dragon Age games? I would appreciate it so much, and I'm sure other female nerds such as myself who love your games would be just as thrilled and appreciative.

Thank you!

Chanda E.



(Feel free to chime in, other femme la fatales!)

[John Epler]

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

[John Epler]

Apollo Starflare wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

That's great to hear John. Hope they let you show off your work in one of the trailers before launch. :happy:

Ha! I wish. Unfortunately, the stuff I'm working on that I'd call 'trailer-worthy' is also 'filled to the brim with spoilers galore'.

[John Epler]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

Sadly, the fem****s probably will find a way to make this a bad thing as well.
"Only 50%?"

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

[John Epler]

Blessed Silence wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

Sadly, the fem****s probably will find a way to make this a bad thing as well.
"Only 50%?"

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

Sooo ... care for some of my homemade cookies?   Lasagna?  Chicken?  I make a mean stir fry!

*tries to distract so she can sneak into Mr. Epler's office*

I don't know, I make some pretty spectacular white chocolate macademia nut cookies. And I am oft-referred to as the 'Stir-fry king'. Well, the latter is mostly me referring to myself, but still.

And the Mr. Epler business! It makes me feel old. I'm only 25!

[John Epler]

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

[John Epler]

Maverick827 wrote...

To be fair, Dracula was able to walk around in daylight just fine, albeit weakened.
There is a scene in the novel in which Dracula is seen around town right before sunset. He is also awake in the morning to be able startle a shaving Jonathan by sneaking up on him sans reflection.
So while sparkling is ridiculous and way off base, the "quintessential" vampire did not burst into flames in the sunlight, either.

You are correct. Vampires have always had some kind of weakness to sunlight, but the severity of that weakness varies from one piece of fiction to the next. 

But this is starting to edge away from being related to DA2, so let's try and nudge things back on-topic :happy:

[John Epler]

Catt128 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

I wrote "somewhat" in there. It's not that I agree 100% with what she says but I'm too lazy to write a five pages essay on my views about videogames and feminism.

So please don't pull the ".. Just because you don't want more reprentation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it." card on me because I find it unfair.

I apologize, I wasn't really responding to you - yours was just the most recent post in the chain.

[John Epler]

Haexpane wrote...

yhibiki wrote...

 
  then the game community wouldn't feel as toxic to female gamers. (And yes, depending on which forums you frequent, it can be very off-putting.) It could also expand the female gaming audience.

 

I have to break it to you, the game community, especially on forums isn't 'off putting' to women.  It's 'off-putting' to anyone who is sane.

We come to these forums because it's Bioware and it's a game we love, no other reason.

Someone could spend a BILLION DOLLARs in marketing and that would never change.  The internet is a cesspool of anonymous hate and trolling.  It's also the only place left free of any sort of censorship (Not these forums but the internet in general)

The result has seen some wonderfully funny cat videos, and also some of the most dumb racism I've ever seen (youtube)

To ask Bioware to fix the problem of the internet being a scary dangerous place is simply unrealistic at best.

I don't think it's inaccurate to suggest that a lot of game forums are more toxic towards females than towards males. There's a reason that any initiatives that attempt to remove the veil of anonymity in game communities are more vocally opposed by women than by men.

Though again, we're starting to trend away from this topic relating to DA2, so let's try and nudge it back on-course

Modifié par JohnEpler, 17 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[John Epler]

Please keep the gender stereotypes (on both sides of the fence, mind) out of this thread, folks. It's been pretty productive and positive thus far! Let's not end up turning this into a 'men like this' 'well women like THIS' debate.