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[Davony]

And why did it....?

[Ziggy]

tybbiesniffer wrote...

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

Em23 wrote...t's true though, the same group who are anti-feminist also tend to be anti-men-doing-anything-they-perceive-as-'unmanly', which is just as unfair.

I just ignore them, they're those crotchety old guys with ugger beards in the old run down kareoke bars anyways....just avoid them and their smelly bars

Hehe   I wish I lived where you do.  Here, that's the default attitude of the region.  The only thing my town has is bars and churches if that gives you an idea.

Me too, there's a culture of that here.They both stem from the same idea though I think: women are somehow inferior and therefore men should not show any 'female qualities'. So both genders end up suffering.

[ReinaHW]

Men and women work together a lot better by using the joint skills, like for example if the woman has a sharper intellect and the man isn't so good in that area, but has the brawn, then working together they can do anything.

Same the other way round and so on, both sides work together as a greater whole to get the job done.

[Mysot_Stormrage]

ReinaHW wrote...

Men and women work together a lot better by using the joint skills, like for example if the woman has a sharper intellect and the man isn't so good in that area, but has the brawn, then working together they can do anything.
Same the other way round and so on, both sides work together as a greater whole to get the job done.

But I haf the intellects.............But you make a good point, which has been used before, such an example would be the love magic in The Fionavar Tapestry, by Guy Gavriel Kay

[Angel of Nessus]

ReinaHW wrote...

Men and women work together a lot better by using the joint skills, like for example if the woman has a sharper intellect and the man isn't so good in that area, but has the brawn, then working together they can do anything.
Same the other way round and so on, both sides work together as a greater whole to get the job done.

Yes, but what does this have to do with Hawke being a dude?

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Angel of Nessus wrote...

ReinaHW wrote...

Men and women work together a lot better by using the joint skills, like for example if the woman has a sharper intellect and the man isn't so good in that area, but has the brawn, then working together they can do anything.
Same the other way round and so on, both sides work together as a greater whole to get the job done.

Yes, but what does this have to do with Hawke being a dude?

Maybe leading into a female and male Hawke working together ina  CGI trailer to show how cool they are?

[ReinaHW]

Just a general reply to the person who feels women are 'dumber' than men.

I wonder if the armour for the female Hawke, and any female companions who join you in the story, will be somewhat better this time round.
If any concept art of the female Hawke is shown, then here's hoping that the armour looks a lot better.

Unless it's going to go the cheerleader route - 'ra ra, gimme me a K, gimme me an I, gimme two LL's, let's kill us some bad guys!'
Oh the horror.

Showing the female and male Hawke working together would be fun, but it might give a misleading view for those who want every game to be multi player only and co-op heavy.

Modifié par ReinaHW, 18 août 2010 - 04:40 .

[Mysot_Stormrage]

ReinaHW wrote...

Just a general reply to the person who feels women are 'dumber' than men.

I wonder if the armour for the female Hawke, and any female companions who join you in the story, will be somewhat better this time round.
If any concept art of the female Hawke is shown, then here's hoping that the armour looks a lot better.

Unless it's going to go the cheerleader route - 'ra ra, gimme me a K, gimme me an I, gimme two LL's, let's kill us some bad guys!'
Oh the horror.

Showing the female and male Hawke working together would be fun, but it might give a misleading view for those who want every game to be multi player only and co-op heavy.

If we deleop the Korean chainmail bikini fever someone WILL DIE (Prolly me and my PC....many times.....from over exposed skin in battle)! I'm sorry but.......bikins and high heels are not made for battle......

www.wow-gold-team.com/images/aion/aion%20(2).jpg    ((hope this is safe, the "wow-gold-team" seems iffy......but it was on google images))

By the way how do I shove images into the posting field? What are the /commands?

Modifié par Mysot_Stormrage, 18 août 2010 - 05:00 .

[yslee]

Responding to OP:



Yes please! Some equal representation would be cool, not just the equality bit, but to show the game's customisation. You know, the "create-your-own-hero" thing.

[Wishpig]

Argh, the women want equality again. Someone throw Twilight DVD's at them and hope they go away.



Lol, just kidding ladies



Now first off, don't go expecting a CGI trailer like the one just released to showcase a female Hawke. That stuff costs a ton of $$$ and their prob gonna want a single face to associate with the CGI trailers. And of course their gonna want that single face to be a white sexy but bad ass guy to best please the target audience.



BUT I do think it's silly we didn't see any of female shep in the gameplay trailers. Hopefully they won't do the same with female hawke. They need to make it clear there's character customization and a chance to play as either sex.

[Taritu]

JohnEpler wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

Sadly, the fem****s probably will find a way to make this a bad thing as well.
"Only 50%?"

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

Wow.  If I went that way, I'd be in love. 

[DaringMoosejaw]

yslee wrote...

Responding to OP:

Yes please! Some equal representation would be cool, not just the equality bit, but to show the game's customisation. You know, the "create-your-own-hero" thing.

Yes. They should also show off in CGI trailers how you'll be able to do things like loot, and talk to people! I know they don't sound very exciting, but just have everything he picks up/talks to randomly explode. That'll work.

[Ziggy]

Taritu wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...
Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

Sadly, the fem****s probably will find a way to make this a bad thing as well.
"Only 50%?"

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

Wow.  If I went that way, I'd be in love. 

That is a pretty awesome dev response. BW really is one of the best developpers out there for this sort of stuff.

[mellifera]

Are you missing the part where we're saying we just want to see her? Concept art, in-game, something. We're not telling them to make a whole CGI trailer for fem!Hawke, just suggesting that in the future they could advertise in a more inclusive way.

[Riona45]

Em23 wrote...
That is a pretty awesome dev response. BW really is one of the best developpers out there for this sort of stuff.

Indeed.  It IS appreciated.

[Cipher266]

JohnEpler wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

suemaw wrote...

Maybe not a trailer, but it would be nice to have artwork with the default female Hawke the same day as the trailer. Do you guys at Bioware even have your default female Hawke done yet?

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

Sadly, the fem****s probably will find a way to make this a bad thing as well.
"Only 50%?"

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

Your an Angel John

[Cipher266]

yhibiki wrote...

Isn't' there also that one elven armor which gives women an exposed stomach? Because I know that's one of the areas I want arrows and swords to be hitting!

But anyway, it's good to hear that fem!Hawke is at least getting some attention by the development team.

I concure........but......since this is a fantasy thing and not say....real life....I like the 'nicer' 'femy-er' war cloths and slightly sexy very femy armor.  *sigh* yeah I know I'm one of those girls

[Massadonious1]

jlb524 wrote...

JohnEpler wrote...

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration.

Yes, unless you are lucky enough to be a white, heterosexual male.

[mellifera]

Cipher266 wrote...

yhibiki wrote...

Isn't' there also that one elven armor which gives women an exposed stomach? Because I know that's one of the areas I want arrows and swords to be hitting!

But anyway, it's good to hear that fem!Hawke is at least getting some attention by the development team.

I concure........but......since this is a fantasy thing and not say....real life....I like the 'nicer' 'femy-er' war cloths and slightly sexy very femy armor.  *sigh* yeah I know I'm one of those girls

Wait until the game comes out and the inevitable 23428423894 armor mods that look like they're made of two bandaids and a piece of string come out. I want the vanilla game to have practical, nice looking, armor for women that isn't exposed.

[In Exile]

Vandrayke wrote...

lol not really... they have a certain budget and then have to decide the most effective way to allocate said budget.  In this process, they have to omit a lot of things they would like to do and have to settle on doing only the things that they think will be the most effective.  

If we were talking GCI, sure. But a gameplay video? That involves nothing more than display a particul part of the game. Seriously, like one video on IGN or Gamespot with female Hawke in dialogue and/or combat and you've put the whole issue to rest.

ReinaHW wrote...

Men and women work together a lot better
by using the joint skills, like for example if the woman has a sharper
intellect and the man isn't so good in that area, but has the brawn,
then working together they can do anything.
Same the other way round
and so on, both sides work together as a greater whole to get the job
done.

...What the hell?

Now this is wrong in the opposite direction. If we're talking about eliminating gender restrictions, that's one thing. Typecasting is quite another, particularly when you're being stereotypical doing it.

[Felene]

A nice picture of female Hawke will be all I wish for. But for now, we only have Aimo.

[Angel of Nessus]

Felene wrote...

A nice picture of female Hawke will be all I wish for. But for now, we only have Aimo.

Holy crackers, that's epic.  And she's hot.

[Angel of Nessus]

AIIE  double post.

Modifié par Angel of Nessus, 18 août 2010 - 07:02 .

[Spawny]

JohnEpler wrote...

I can't comment on anything else in this thread (because I really don't have the relevant information on any of it!), but I can tell you that on the Cinematic Design team, at least, we're splitting our time about 50/50 between using the Male Hawke and the Female Hawke for iteration. This is to ensure that, in conversation, Female Hawke doesn't end up looking like Male Hawke but with a different model.

______________________________________________________________________________________

Honestly, I don't see a desire for more female-focused attention in development to be an unreasonable request. And this thread has been very reasonable and quite pleasant, really.

It's easy to forget that, for a lot of the population, there's a sizable portion of entertainment that doesn't really take them into consideration. And attempting to ensure that this not be the case is not what I'd classify as something I take umbrage at. If anything, it's good to be reminded that there are all sorts of people who enjoy the work you put out, and who would enjoy it more if you took a little extra time to make it more appealing to them.

Adding my thanks too as another fem gamer, it's nice to hear this instead of saying we are whining or the minority

To the ones that think not as many females play are they really looking at how many post in these forums? I see a lot of female gamers here and there is also a lot of them that mod. I've been playing games for years from arcades to computers, consoles and even paper RPG. Times have changed so deal with it and stop thinking gaming is a testosterone dominated area.