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[heretica]

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

[Saibh]

[quote]_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap. [/quote]
[/quote]

The thing is, we're not jumping up and down, screaming "boycott the hairy bastards! Boycoooott!", foaming at the mouth and being unreasonable.

We are asking to see something of a female Hawke. We are not asking for a place on the cover art. We're not even asking for equal marketing, although how cool would that be? It's honestly extremely frustrating and irritating that people come in here and feel the need to tell us how wrong we are, and how we're selfish feminist b*tches, and we should just give up.

We are asking nicely, politely, and within reason. I have seen more insane/unreasonable appeals that are treated like fair requests--why do guys (and girls, evidently) come in here and be so negative? 

[obnoxiousgas]

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

That's great, but now imagine that you could have your cake and eat it too! If you don't give a damn, you're not affected in any way by them including a female protagonist in their marketing while a bunch of others are positively affected.

Also, games are for fun, so there's no reason to aim for proper representation to make it that much more fun for some people without making it any worse for anyone else? There's a leap in logic there that I just can't figure out.

[John Epler]

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

[syllogi]

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

The OP was very well put and polite, unlike your own post, which doesn't seem to indicate you've read this thread at all.  Just because you're female and YOU don't care about having the *choice* to play a female character and being given the opportunity to see that female character in marketing before you buy the game, doesn't mean that other female players (or men who enjoy playing female characters) shouldn't have that opportunity.

And go read some books about feminism before tossing the word around.  You look very silly right now.

[marquiseondore]

JohnEpler wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more
representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for
others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be
making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in
a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take
your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and
story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that
we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience
interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as
unreasonable in the slightest.

Can we clone you?

Modifié par marquiseondore, 17 août 2010 - 09:08 .

[zahra]

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

If they do have a FemHawke in the trailer it wouldn't interfere with your gaming experience would it? And even if neither of you care about the gender of the protagonist, the fact that the option exists does not impede on your gameplay either. So what exactly is the problem? 

Besides that purifico, this the OP forwarded her opinions in an intelligent and respectful manner, so I don't really understand why you thought that it warranted such a rude response. 

(p.s If you hate feminism so much, please go back to the kitchen and resume making sandwiches kthx.)

[zahra]

JohnEpler wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

Wow. Erm, I vote for a John Epler fan club. We shall bombard him with cookies and ribbons for his beard. 

[Images]

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I bet you would make an amazing negotiator on the United Nations floor.

What the hell?! These posters have been nothing but civil and requested nothing more than a little equal exposure to their sex in the advertising campaigns to follow. They haven't shouted "Ooh! All these revealing armours are so sexist!" or "Why is it that Morrigan (a woman) has to be the mean one? Its so sexist!". I myself take issue all the time with women crying wolf on the sexist issue but this is simply not one of those cases. Now grow up, act a little more mature, treat people with respect and if you have a problem with what they're asking, say it in a normal, unabusive and slightly less pervy way.

On the topic btw, I would approve of this. If not for DA2 then definitely for DA3.

[Saibh]

JohnEpler wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

You are my new favorite dev. :innocent:

[Patriciachr34]

John, you're the man!  And, I want to thank you for providing some muscle tone the female human model.  I just saw a screen shot of an NPC from the IGN preview, and she is great!  She is well porportioned and believable as a female warrior.  Thanks Again!

[Dave of Canada]

Quickly, John. Get in the gettaway car, the fan girls are amassing! We got to get out of here!

[Anarya]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Quickly, John. Get in the gettaway car, the fan girls are amassing! We got to get out of here!

:wub:John:wub:

[zahra]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Quickly, John. Get in the gettaway car, the fan girls are amassing! We got to get out of here!

Too late, he has ascended to Alicorn status. We have taken the necessary measures. (GPS trackers etc)

[yhibiki]

JohnEpler wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

ILU, just a little bit. <3 Now if the rest of the gaming industry could have your views on things...

Modifié par yhibiki, 17 août 2010 - 09:26 .

[Mehow_pwn]

Because then dragon age could end up as twilight... and we all know how crapy **** that was. Where the vampires didnt drink blood but shined like a diamond in the sun..

Modifié par Mehow_pwn, 17 août 2010 - 09:30 .

[Saibh]

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Because then dragon age could end up as twilight... and we all know how crapy **** that was. Where the vampires didnt drink blood but shined like a diamond in the sun..

What are you talking about? 

Also, I'm no fan, but...yeah, the sparklepires drink blood. That's pretty much the only vampire thing they do.

Modifié par Saibh, 17 août 2010 - 09:32 .

[Mehow_pwn]

Saibh wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Because then dragon age could end up as twilight... and we all know how crapy **** that was. Where the vampires didnt drink blood but shined like a diamond in the sun..

What are you talking about? 

Also, I'm no fan, but...yeah, the sparklepires drink blood. That's pretty much the only vampire thing they do.

Im talking about this wave of feministic women into gaming thinking they can turn dragon age into twilight...

Not that women are a bad thing.. ever! ,but in this subject.. maybe.. becaue mostly what women think is cool is not the same.. as men least I think(I am probobly worng..)

[Maverick827]

To be fair, Dracula was able to walk around in daylight just fine, albeit weakened.

There is a scene in the novel in which Dracula is seen around town right before sunset. He is also awake in the morning to be able startle a shaving Jonathan by sneaking up on him sans reflection.

So while sparkling is ridiculous and way off base, the "quintessential" vampire did not burst into flames in the sunlight, either.

[addiction21]

mosaiclobster wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

So because you're a girl and *you* don't care, that means that no one else is allowed to want to play as a female character? It's already established that you can play as male and female in bioware games. All anybody's asking for is a chance to see what bioware envisions for the female pc. Honestly, why are people so offended by that?

I am offended because there seems to be some group that are taking the trailer to far and making mountains out of molehills. There is NO BIG CONSPIRACY TO PUT WOMEN DOWN. It was just a chioce for this trailer.

CGI trailers ARE NOT CHEAP or QUICKLY made.

This whole "what BW envisions" or "gender neutraility" is PC bull **** and like all political correntness arguments it is a slipery slope that does more harm then good. What does it matter when you get to play the enitre game a female? Maybe go back and read that more time is being devoted to making both the female and male experiances unique (go read gaiders respone earlier)?

IT IS JUST SOME MARKETING. The CGI is little to nothing. If someone decides they dont want to play DA2 because in this ONE trailer it is a male lead then I feel pity for that person and they need to revaluate their outlook on life.

Would I be happy if there were more lead roles in video games that were females? That is an answer I can not give because I have not seen how they were represented in those roles. I dont like the whole mentality of "games are played by guys so we will market to guys" but then again I also dont go on a rampage when I see the latest Tommy Hilfiger commercial with men that I could never look like (I work for a living my living is not working out in the gym even tho I wish it was)

Bottom Line:
I agree with the original posters sentiments. I do not agree with the turn this thread has takenor the hypocritical tone presented within by several of the posters. (not a direct shot any one person.)

If nothing else I would like an answer to this one question. What does it matter that in a CGI trailer a male is shown but it is allready common knowledge that you will be able to choose a female IN THE GAME and gaider has allready mentioned that both genders are getting equal time? So what does it matter?

[John Epler]

Maverick827 wrote...

To be fair, Dracula was able to walk around in daylight just fine, albeit weakened.
There is a scene in the novel in which Dracula is seen around town right before sunset. He is also awake in the morning to be able startle a shaving Jonathan by sneaking up on him sans reflection.
So while sparkling is ridiculous and way off base, the "quintessential" vampire did not burst into flames in the sunlight, either.

You are correct. Vampires have always had some kind of weakness to sunlight, but the severity of that weakness varies from one piece of fiction to the next. 

But this is starting to edge away from being related to DA2, so let's try and nudge things back on-topic :happy:

[Anarya]

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Because then dragon age could end up as twilight... and we all know how crapy **** that was. Where the vampires didnt drink blood but shined like a diamond in the sun..

What are you talking about? 

Also, I'm no fan, but...yeah, the sparklepires drink blood. That's pretty much the only vampire thing they do.

Im talking about this wave of feministic women into gaming thinking they can turn dragon age into twilight...

Not that women are a bad thing.. ever! ,but in this subject.. maybe.. becaue mostly what women think is cool is not the same.. as men least I think(I am probobly worng..)

Hahahahaha you're kidding, right? Twilight is downright antifeminist.

[Dave of Canada]

zahra wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Quickly, John. Get in the gettaway car, the fan girls are amassing! We got to get out of here!

Too late, he has ascended to Alicorn status. We have taken the necessary measures. (GPS trackers etc)

I've got EMPs!

[Mehow_pwn]

Anarya wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Mehow_pwn wrote...

Because then dragon age could end up as twilight... and we all know how crapy **** that was. Where the vampires didnt drink blood but shined like a diamond in the sun..

What are you talking about? 

Also, I'm no fan, but...yeah, the sparklepires drink blood. That's pretty much the only vampire thing they do.

Im talking about this wave of feministic women into gaming thinking they can turn dragon age into twilight...

Not that women are a bad thing.. ever! ,but in this subject.. maybe.. becaue mostly what women think is cool is not the same.. as men least I think(I am probobly worng..)

Hahahahaha you're kidding, right? Twilight is downright antifeminist.

Yes antifemist its not that kinda of antifeministic.. ,but If men are talking bad about it.. they turn into feminist really quick trust me I had expreince..also 80% of the crown that went to watch it was women..

Modifié par Mehow_pwn, 17 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[WilliamShatner]

JohnEpler wrote...

Catt128 wrote...

_purifico_ wrote...

I am female and I don't give a **** whether the main character of Dragon Age or any other game is male or female. I also don't care whether the gender of choice for marketing purposes in games like Mass Effect and Dragon Age (i.e. games where the protagonist can be both male and female) is male as long as the game itself is good.
Come to think of it - I'd prefer to drool all over sexy male Hawke swinging his polearm, casting forbidden magicks and all that jazz, rather than stare blandly at some chick.

Also, games are for fun, not for your stupid feminist crap.

I somewhat agree with this... 

I would argue, though, that just because you don't want more representation in games, that doesn't mean it should be verboten for others to want it. Obviously, the first priority of any game should be making it an enjoyable game to play. But what's the harm in asking (in a polite way, I will emphasize once more!) the development team to take your concerns into consideration?

No one's asking for a game and story based around the ideals of second-wave feminism, but merely that we as developers acknowledge that there are more than one audience interested in our product. And I honestly don't see that as unreasonable in the slightest.

You are far too nice and in-touch with the fans to be a developer.  

Are you someone from the community who managed to hack a developer's account?