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[Mysot_Stormrage]

Vandrayke wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Vandrayke wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I find it odd how any female character we show (remember Morrigan?) will have their physical attributes picked apart on the forums and immediately declared ugly, doubly so if it's a prospective romance. In this respect, it almost makes me glad the marketing version of Hawke is male.

If it makes you feel any better, you could fill the game with digitized versions of victoria's secret angels and people would still call them ugly.  Elbows too sharp and all that.  

No they wouldn't! At least not most of us. Yeah you'll have your typical complaints from feminists, insecure fat women, and a couple of weirdos but 90% of the male audience would just go "yeah, I'd hit that" and buy the game. This really isn't rocket science here.

lol for sure... it's the small and vocal minority twisting perceptions as usual

Hey, its what we do

[SirShreK]

Dear Mr. Gaider,



Since you are listening in... I would like say Just on the side-note:



Can we please NOT have the Yellow teeth??!! (YEESSH)

[DPB]

Danjaru wrote...

In game version of Morrigan or CGI version btw? o.O
In game version I get, all women there looked unnatural and ugly, but CGI version was hawt.

Mostly the in-game version, the Sacred Ashes trailer didn't come out until fairly near the release date. The old forums were home to 'classic' threads discussing Morrigan's lower lip and the like.

Modifié par dbankier, 17 août 2010 - 11:00 .

[Dave of Canada]

David Gaider wrote...

I know you people will dissect any old information that comes along, even the blurriest of pictures-- but wow. Sometimes I am still surprised by the internet. Time to avert my gaze, I think.

Don't lose faith on us for the few couple of people who want this to be a game filled with super models. D:

[Mysot_Stormrage]

SirShreK wrote...

Dear Mr. Gaider,

Since you are listening in... I would like say Just on the side-note:

Can we please NOT have the Yellow teeth??!! (YEESSH)

Or maybe a daily teethbrushing sidequest, a quicktime event game lol (I kid, I kid, I know QTEs make everything worse)

[Divine Justinia V]

Sphynx118 wrote...
Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

I hate that I lol'd really hard at this.
Anyway, there was a femshep trailer!!

[joriandrake]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

joriandrake wrote...
there you go again with your stupid, offending generalization, and you do it without any knowledge of what you are trying to bash too, while you denied it once, from your comments it is clear you discriminate everything that resembles japanese manga/anime, and always bring up hentai, that is just as if someone would bring up cartoon sex when cartoon series like Dexter's Lab or the Smurfs are mentioned, just because they are all western-style

Before, not so much. Now? Now I'm generalizing hentai. I looked up what you said it looked like and got hentai. Lmfao what do you think I don't like cartoon sex that is "western-style" is stupid, too? 'Cause I do. If it LOOKS LIKE HENTAI, I will call it hentai. 

heck, you can pretty much google everything and your top results are about 70% sure to be either porn or hentai anyway

but that image what you call hentai was just of a normal girl, heck she was not even nude, waaay off from being hentai

[Saibh]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Anarya wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

DraCZeQQ wrote...
just askin, you guys in Bioware actually think that the DA2 Trailer pirate hag, the SA trailer Morrigan, the ingame morrigan and leliana (before mods) are really pretty?

A) You've barely seen this character. You don't even get a good look at her in the trailer.

 This sounds exactly like the comments following Morrigan's first appearance.

C) I've yet to see any character that managed to be physically appealing to everyone. It's not possible. Yet I do notice that the dwelling on physical attributes is almost always restricted to female characters. All I said was it was odd-- perhaps not even odd, really, but sadly typical.

May I gently point out that continuing to play to the male-centric image of gaming in your marketing doesn't help this situation at all? You've said in the past the reason why you guys market your games this way, and I understand it, but always adhering to a male protagonist as the "face" of your games and using female characters pretty much as eye candy only perpetuates this atmosphere. Saying it's "sadly typical" then seems a bit ironic, don't you think?

And yes I understand that you personally don't make the marketing decisions. But you've defended them in the past.

Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

Excuse me, but men seem to feel the need to bring their "HA HA HA I AM MALE AND NO TRAILER FOR YOU!" into our actually polite discussion, so why can't we do the same? Only, Anarya is being most respectful. If it's how you market the game, it's going to be an aspect that draws a lot of focus.

Yes, men would continue to hate CG women on virtue of their non-attractiveness, but maybe it wouldn't be such an important issue. After all, the lady gets, like, six seconds, while other, more obviously important pieces, get less than a second.

Modifié par Saibh, 17 août 2010 - 11:01 .

[dan107]

David Gaider wrote...
"Traditionally attractive"?

Yes, I'm sure nobody could find fault with that.

I know you people will dissect any old information that comes along, even the blurriest of pictures-- but wow. Sometimes I am still surprised by the internet. Time to avert my gaze, I think.

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

[Anarya]

Sphynx118 wrote...

Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

That wasn't the point of my post but thanks for reading I guess.

[Danjaru]

David Gaider wrote...

"Traditionally attractive"?

Yes, I'm sure nobody could find fault with that.

I know you people will dissect any old information that comes along, even the blurriest of pictures-- but wow. Sometimes I am still surprised by the internet. Time to avert my gaze, I think.

Maybe you guys just failed a little with making women hot in Dragon Age. I mean, I haven't seen complaints about Mass Effect women being ugly. Or have I missed something o.O, cause they were rather hot (genius modelling Miranda's face after Yvonne)

Modifié par Danjaru, 17 août 2010 - 11:01 .

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Dave of Canada wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I know you people will dissect any old information that comes along, even the blurriest of pictures-- but wow. Sometimes I am still surprised by the internet. Time to avert my gaze, I think.

Don't lose faith on us for the few couple of people who want this to be a game filled with super models. D:

*hi-fives* Canadians-Ho! Super models are overrated, and I'm afraid of them, skeletors!

[Saibh]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

I hate that I lol'd really hard at this.
Anyway, there was a femshep trailer!!

It was fanmade. BioWare Blog reposted it.

[Blessed Silence]

Huh. what is the topic again?

[Sphynx118]

dan107 wrote...

Vandrayke wrote...

David Gaider wrote...

I find it odd how any female character we show (remember Morrigan?) will have their physical attributes picked apart on the forums and immediately declared ugly, doubly so if it's a prospective romance. In this respect, it almost makes me glad the marketing version of Hawke is male.

If it makes you feel any better, you could fill the game with digitized versions of victoria's secret angels and people would still call them ugly.  Elbows too sharp and all that.  

No they wouldn't! At least not most of us. Yeah you'll have your typical complaints from feminists, insecure fat women, and a couple of weirdos but 90% of the male audience would just go "yeah, I'd hit that" and buy the game. This really isn't rocket science here.

You sir, are not afraid to say what we are all thinking.

I salute you as a fellow man for sharing the truth

[Bugzehat]

Welp, this thread was a nice reminder of why I didn't read these forums often before DA2 was announced. Thanks, misogynists!

[Blacklash93]

So, Mr. Gaider, is the Romance (or that scene as it's shown, at least) with her canon, or was it simply chosen to be portrayed for marketing and is not necessarily something that has to happen in the game?



It's just a bit confusing, is all.

[Kohaku]

Blessed Silence wrote...

Huh. what is the topic again?

There is no topic. I don't even know what the hell it's about anymore.

[joriandrake]

David Gaider wrote...

I find it odd how any female character we show (remember Morrigan?) will have their physical attributes picked apart on the forums and immediately declared ugly, doubly so if it's a prospective romance. In this respect, it almost makes me glad the marketing version of Hawke is male.

What are you talking about? Didn't you read the forums recently on how male Hawke was also torn apart by criticism?

It is only kept at a low because it is just a generic character and in the end you can still somewhat constumize him even if not the race, the same would also be true for a female Hawke, would get some criticism then it would stop as it would be a generic character just the same as male hawke

the best would be if you wouldn't use marketing for Hawke to begin with, most games can do well without having a "marketing face"

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Bugzehat wrote...

Welp, this thread was a nice reminder of why I didn't read these forums often before DA2 was announced. Thanks, misogynists!

They rule the world *shrug* So let them have their fun, the modders will fix everything

[Merced256]

You know this does bring up the obvious point dave was probably hinting at.

There can be no femhawke trailer because us men would likely have a field day on these forums about some aspect of their appearance. Which is stupid, childish, and immature. But hell i'd probably have some fun with it.

Modifié par Merced256, 17 août 2010 - 11:05 .

[SirShreK]

dan107 wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
"Traditionally attractive"?

Yes, I'm sure nobody could find fault with that.

I know you people will dissect any old information that comes along, even the blurriest of pictures-- but wow. Sometimes I am still surprised by the internet. Time to avert my gaze, I think.

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O:O

[Divine Justinia V]

Saibh wrote...

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

I hate that I lol'd really hard at this.
Anyway, there was a femshep trailer!!

It was fanmade. BioWare Blog reposted it.

Wow they did a really good job.

[Fishy]

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Dear Mr. Gaider,

Since you are listening in... I would like say Just on the side-note:

Can we please NOT have the Yellow teeth??!! (YEESSH)

Or maybe a daily teethbrushing sidequest, a quicktime event game lol (I kid, I kid, I know QTEs make everything worse)

lol

Anyway teeth aren't pure white . They're actually yellow-ish

[Mysot_Stormrage]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Saibh wrote...

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

I hate that I lol'd really hard at this.
Anyway, there was a femshep trailer!!

It was fanmade. BioWare Blog reposted it.

Wow they did a really good job.

Yeah, I totally thought it was official