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[Dave of Canada]

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

I'm sorry, Bioware has self respect. Why do we adhere to your beliefs that all women are objects to be used for sex? Why does everybody need to be a standard to be attractive? How come your beliefs in what is attractive is better than the other person's beliefs?

I am not attracted to this pirate lady, although I see and admit her beauty for those who do. If you'd rather want all women have DDs, weight 50 pounds and only want to sleep with you then you've got the internet. Leave the intelligent, realistic women in fascinating games.

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Suprez30 wrote...

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Dear Mr. Gaider,

Since you are listening in... I would like say Just on the side-note:

Can we please NOT have the Yellow teeth??!! (YEESSH)

Or maybe a daily teethbrushing sidequest, a quicktime event game lol (I kid, I kid, I know QTEs make everything worse)

lol

Anyway teeth aren't pure white . They're actually yellow-ish

I bleech mine, and then mouthwash, and brush 3 times a day, they are white/clear.....prolly bad for them but meh, thats what they made dentures for

[Anarya]

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
You've said in the past the reason why you guys market your games this way, and I understand it, but always adhering to a male protagonist as the "face" of your games and using female characters pretty much as eye candy only perpetuates this atmosphere.

No, that's not what perpetuates "this atmosphere". The "atmosphere" is what it is because most gamers are men, and most men like our women hot. It's a simple as that. Bioware is just marketing to its audience.

You're really underselling your fellow men here. There's more to the male psyche than just libido.

[Sphynx118]

Merced256 wrote...

You know this does bring up the obvious point dave was probably hinting at.

There can be no femhawke trailer because us men would likely have a field day on these forums about some aspect of their appearance. Which is stupid, childish, and immature. But hell i'd probably have some fun with it.

Aye...It would be fun wouldnt it?

[Mysot_Stormrage]

Dave of Canada wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

I'm sorry, Bioware has self respect. Why do we adhere to your beliefs that all women are objects to be used for sex? Why does everybody need to be a standard to be attractive? How come your beliefs in what is attractive is better than the other person's beliefs?

I am not attracted to this pirate lady, although I see and admit her beauty for those who do. If you'd rather want all women have DDs, weight 50 pounds and only want to sleep with you then you've got the internet. Leave the intelligent, realistic women in fascinating games.

QFT!

I agree, I'd rather have in-depth personalities, dialogue, and voice acting than visuals. Heck I still play Daggerfall on the DOSBOX and like it more than most modern games cause its got more life to it.

[SirShreK]

Anarya wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
You've said in the past the reason why you guys market your games this way, and I understand it, but always adhering to a male protagonist as the "face" of your games and using female characters pretty much as eye candy only perpetuates this atmosphere.

No, that's not what perpetuates "this atmosphere". The "atmosphere" is what it is because most gamers are men, and most men like our women hot. It's a simple as that. Bioware is just marketing to its audience.

You're really underselling your fellow men here. There's more to the male psyche than just libido.

What is the rest, pray?

[joey_mork84]

Bugzehat wrote...

Welp, this thread was a nice reminder of why I didn't read these forums often before DA2 was announced. Thanks, misogynists!

Really? Wow.. Makes me think of Futurama: Into the Wild Green Yonder.. "Femenistas UNITE!" lol

[elearon1]

Bugzehat wrote...

Welp, this thread was a nice reminder of why I didn't read these forums often before DA2 was announced. Thanks, misogynists!

I'm sorry, where were the women haters on this thread?  Nowhere did I see people hating women because they were women.  I say a lot of "this is what men like" and "don't complain that this is what men like" but not much of the outright pointless woman hatred.  

[Saibh]

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Saibh wrote...

VittoriaLandis wrote...

Sphynx118 wrote...
Dont bring the " BOOHOOO i want a femhawk/shep trailer" Nonsense in here. We are talking about the busted pirate gypsy

I hate that I lol'd really hard at this.
Anyway, there was a femshep trailer!!

It was fanmade. BioWare Blog reposted it.

Wow they did a really good job.

Yeah, they did, and it is awe-inspiring to behold. Here's the YouTube video.

[SirShreK]

Dave of Canada wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

I'm sorry, Bioware has self respect. Why do we adhere to your beliefs that all women are objects to be used for sex? Why does everybody need to be a standard to be attractive? How come your beliefs in what is attractive is better than the other person's beliefs?

I am not attracted to this pirate lady, although I see and admit her beauty for those who do. If you'd rather want all women have DDs, weight 50 pounds and only want to sleep with you then you've got the internet. Leave the intelligent, realistic women in fascinating games.

You mean intelligence and beauty/prettiness come apart???

[Sable Rhapsody]

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

You know what?  Fine.  But consistency is nice.  If we're going to call for BioWare to pander to the lowest common denominator when it comes to this, we're also going to instantly stop complaining about

a) the guitar music in the trailer
the "Spartan" catchphrase
c) not sleeping with Bethany (because that's SOO traditional)
d) profitability goals for BioWare
e) the female gamers enjoying their respective fanservice
f) the FRILLION OTHER THINGS that involve marketing to the largest audience.

[Mysot_Stormrage]

SirShreK wrote...

Anarya wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
You've said in the past the reason why you guys market your games this way, and I understand it, but always adhering to a male protagonist as the "face" of your games and using female characters pretty much as eye candy only perpetuates this atmosphere.

No, that's not what perpetuates "this atmosphere". The "atmosphere" is what it is because most gamers are men, and most men like our women hot. It's a simple as that. Bioware is just marketing to its audience.

You're really underselling your fellow men here. There's more to the male psyche than just libido.

What is the rest, pray?

Maybe its just me and my mates but we like to read, dicuss favourite philosophical idealogies (I like Nietzschean), and express ourselves.....maybe its cause I'm an arts minor.....but there is more to me than libido.

[Sphynx118]

Anarya wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Anarya wrote...
You've said in the past the reason why you guys market your games this way, and I understand it, but always adhering to a male protagonist as the "face" of your games and using female characters pretty much as eye candy only perpetuates this atmosphere.

No, that's not what perpetuates "this atmosphere". The "atmosphere" is what it is because most gamers are men, and most men like our women hot. It's a simple as that. Bioware is just marketing to its audience.

You're really underselling your fellow men here. There's more to the male psyche than just libido.

Ofc there is more but alot of it is libido...Just like alot of a womans psyche is crazy.

Dont really get the modern society trying to hush down the whole "men likes sex and pretty shiny women". We do like that stuff...So let us enjoy it

[joriandrake]

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

Suprez30 wrote...

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

SirShreK wrote...

Dear Mr. Gaider,

Since you are listening in... I would like say Just on the side-note:

Can we please NOT have the Yellow teeth??!! (YEESSH)

Or maybe a daily teethbrushing sidequest, a quicktime event game lol (I kid, I kid, I know QTEs make everything worse)

lol

Anyway teeth aren't pure white . They're actually yellow-ish

I bleech mine, and then mouthwash, and brush 3 times a day, they are white/clear.....prolly bad for them but meh, thats what they made dentures for

my teeth are yellowish, from their structure, if you would break them in half they would be yellowish inside too, they are clean, it is just the basic color of them is not white, and thgere are many others like this too, it pisses me off if people think i am a smoker or similar, I blame the media and toothpaste commercials for showing unnaturaly white teeth for everyone, it is nearly like hair colorer but for your mouth

[DraCZeQQ]

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

QFT!

I agree, I'd rather have in-depth personalities, dialogue, and voice acting than visuals. Heck I still play Daggerfall on the DOSBOX and like it more than most modern games cause its got more life to it.

Id rather have in-depth personalities, dialogues, voice acting, choices AND visuals ... the visuals doesnt have to suffer ... its a part of the whole, not opposite :-)

[dan107]

Dave of Canada wrote...
I'm sorry, Bioware has self respect. Why do we adhere to your beliefs that all women are objects to be used for sex? Why does everybody need to be a standard to be attractive? How come your beliefs in what is attractive is better than the other person's beliefs?

Because it's not just my beliefs, it's the prevaling beliefs of the overwhelming majority of men in Westen society. You don't have to go far for examples. Look at just about any product marketed at men, and you'll see an attractive woman somewhere. And 90% of those women look exactly the same. There's a reason for that. That's what most men want.

I am not attracted to this pirate lady, although I see and admit her beauty for those who do. If you'd rather want all women have DDs, weight 50 pounds and only want to sleep with you then you've got the internet. Leave the intelligent, realistic women in fascinating games.

Believe it or not, but there are women who look like Playboy models in real life who are quite intelligent. No one is saying make them stupid and boring. It's just that an attractive intelligent woman would have much wider appeal than an ugly intelligent one.

Modifié par dan107, 17 août 2010 - 11:12 .

[zahra]

Dave of Canada wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

I'm sorry, Bioware has self respect. Why do we adhere to your beliefs that all women are objects to be used for sex? Why does everybody need to be a standard to be attractive? How come your beliefs in what is attractive is better than the other person's beliefs?

I am not attracted to this pirate lady, although I see and admit her beauty for those who do. If you'd rather want all women have DDs, weight 50 pounds and only want to sleep with you then you've got the internet. Leave the intelligent, realistic women in fascinating games.

QFT

[Mysot_Stormrage]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

QFT!

I agree, I'd rather have in-depth personalities, dialogue, and voice acting than visuals. Heck I still play Daggerfall on the DOSBOX and like it more than most modern games cause its got more life to it.

Id rather have in-depth personalities, dialogues, voice acting, choices AND visuals ... the visuals doesnt have to suffer ... its a part of the whole, not opposite :-)

I'd like that too, but if something HAS to suffer (and not saying it does, but something usually does cause of budget costs) then I'd rather it be visuals then things I care about, I play Roleplaying games for the RP, I play FPS for the graphics.

[Sphynx118]

Sable Rhapsody wrote...

dan107 wrote...

Oh, I'm sure somebody would find fault with it, but I presume that if you want to sell as many games as possible you'd want to appeal to the majority. And the majority of your audience happens to be young heterosexual males who like our beer cold and our women hot.

So like I said, grab a Playboy, copy one of the girls, slap her on the box and be done with. At least 100,000 sales right there. Include a nude sex scene, send a preview of it to Fox News, and that's 200,000 sales. This is stupidly simple, but for some reason you gotta go the difficult route.

You know what?  Fine.  But consistency is nice.  If we're going to call for BioWare to pander to the lowest common denominator when it comes to this, we're also going to instantly stop complaining about

a) the guitar music in the trailer
the "Spartan" catchphrase
c) not sleeping with Bethany (because that's SOO traditional)
d) profitability goals for BioWare
e) the female gamers enjoying their respective fanservice
f) the FRILLION OTHER THINGS that involve marketing to the largest audience.

You wanna incest around with bethany brah?

[Dave of Canada]

SirShreK wrote...

You mean intelligence and beauty/prettiness come apart???

No, it doesn't come apart. But what is desired are romance options simply for sex appeal, meaning they want sex instead of depth.

Modifié par Dave of Canada, 17 août 2010 - 11:14 .

[Onyx Jaguar]

In order to come out ahead politically how should I frame my statement to be amicable to both sides on this issue of the pirate lady?

[Divine Justinia V]

Idk what this has to do with the topic.. but my teeth are white.

[Vandrayke]

DraCZeQQ wrote...

Mysot_Stormrage wrote...

QFT!

I agree, I'd rather have in-depth personalities, dialogue, and voice acting than visuals. Heck I still play Daggerfall on the DOSBOX and like it more than most modern games cause its got more life to it.

Id rather have in-depth personalities, dialogues, voice acting, choices AND visuals ... the visuals doesnt have to suffer ... its a part of the whole, not opposite :-)

Absolutely.  In fantasies, we don't have to make compromises.    

I mean really who would have watched Alias if instead of Jennifer Garner, they had a typical thick 20lb overweight butch cop?  

[UberDuber]

I like sex, its nice.