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[TJPags]

Tadpradel wrote...

A lot of the storyline revolves around killing Howe (as a rogue), for revenge for him killing your father.

So I was rather excited when I got to the "Rescue the Queen" quest, but when it came down to killing him, nothing "crazy" happened. I expected a cutscene where my character takes the finishing blow into Howe, but instead I just get Howe's self-obsessed crap about "deserving more".

Just felt like a lot of the meaning from the start of the game faded for human noble/rogue. 

Yea, HN was my first character . . and I really wanted Howe cut into little pieces.  Not to be.

Likely, they just didn't feel like/have the budget for multiple cut scenes.

A little cheap, but oh well.  At least he dies.

[Chuvvy]

The entire HN noble origin was poorly implemented. At most you got an extra sentence with the nobles, and Emmon doesn't even mention it. Dalish and HN are the most poorly implemented origins in the game.

[RavenousBear]

Some of the dialogue were indeed broken. When Anora was chosen with my PC as King-Consort or whatever that title is, people did not recognize me as the Consort and Alistair thought he was King before he took the final blow against the AD.

The good news is the epilogue sides correctly established that my PC was consort in the end, so it should carry over smoothly in Awakening.

[TJPags]

Caak7i wrote...

Some of the dialogue were indeed broken. When Anora was chosen with my PC as King-Consort or whatever that title is, people did not recognize me as the Consort and Alistair thought he was King before he took the final blow against the AD.

The good news is the epilogue sides correctly established that my PC was consort in the end, so it should carry over smoothly in Awakening.

I hope so.

I had a similar glitch, thought nothing of it . . . .until Awakenings had the same glitch .  . . .

[RavenousBear]

TJPags wrote...

Caak7i wrote...

Some of the dialogue were indeed broken. When Anora was chosen with my PC as King-Consort or whatever that title is, people did not recognize me as the Consort and Alistair thought he was King before he took the final blow against the AD.

The good news is the epilogue sides correctly established that my PC was consort in the end, so it should carry over smoothly in Awakening.

I hope so.

I had a similar glitch, thought nothing of it . . . .until Awakenings had the same glitch .  . . .

I have not yet played awakening, but if you mean what I think you mean...

[Elhanan]

Slidell505 wrote...

The entire HN noble origin was poorly implemented. At most you got an extra sentence with the nobles, and Emmon doesn't even mention it. Dalish and HN are the most poorly implemented origins in the game.

Balderdash, IMO.

There are many lines of dialogue in the game concerning House Cousland. Having played this game now more than a dozen times, I still find new nuggets here and there, some concerning rank, status, etc.

As for Howe, I use my imagination to complete the cutscene and game. My S&S HN warrior killed Howe with the Cousland arms, then retired them to Highever upon return. My 2H HN female simply gave him what he asked for (ie;"I deserved more") - and then hit him again.

No added scenes required.

[CalJones]

There's a glitch that if you marry Anora but keep Alistair alive, the game doesn't recognise it. (It has no problem recognising that you are consort if you spare Loghain and exile/kill Alistair, however).



Also worth noting that Howe and his wife hated each other (according to Nathaniel in Awakening) so I wouldn't hold it against her either. If you do Slim Coudry's questline, then you find out Howe's been playing hide the sausage with Lady Sophie, who's stuff you steal from the Gnawed Noble. Howe was an all-round rat bastard but his family are innocent.

[Sarah1281]

Is Howe's wife even still alive come DA? I got the impression from Nathaniel in Awakenings that she'd died some time ago. Of course, I haven't played in awhile so I could be wrong.

[adneate]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Is Howe's wife even still alive come DA? I got the impression from Nathaniel in Awakenings that she'd died some time ago. Of course, I haven't played in awhile so I could be wrong.

It seems like Nathaniel and Delilah are the only living members of the Howe family after the war, Howe's Wife died (though the circumstances aren't very clear, so she might have been killed under Howe's orders for all we know) and his other son Thomas died in the Civil War (prehaps trying to put down rebels in Highever). Killing Nathaniel in Awakening will totally destroy the Howe family since without Nathaniel they will never win back any land or respect from Teryn Fergus Cousland and the Howe noble line is essentially wiped out.

[CalJones]

Dunno actually - I didn't get the impression she was dead, but I could be wrong.

[Dave of Canada]

Slidell505 wrote...

The entire HN noble origin was poorly implemented. At most you got an extra sentence with the nobles, and Emmon doesn't even mention it. Dalish and HN are the most poorly implemented origins in the game.

HN is also the only origin that has major changes at the Landsmeet.

[hollirae]

Elhanan wrote...

Slidell505 wrote...

The entire HN noble origin was poorly implemented. At most you got an extra sentence with the nobles, and Emmon doesn't even mention it. Dalish and HN are the most poorly implemented origins in the game.

Balderdash, IMO.

There are many lines of dialogue in the game concerning House Cousland. Having played this game now more than a dozen times, I still find new nuggets here and there, some concerning rank, status, etc.

As for Howe, I use my imagination to complete the cutscene and game. My S&S HN warrior killed Howe with the Cousland arms, then retired them to Highever upon return. My 2H HN female simply gave him what he asked for (ie;"I deserved more") - and then hit him again.

No added scenes required.

My cutscene that you cannot see is My HNF spitting on Howe and saying "you deserve nothing" and walking away.  "it is done"

[kaimanaMM]

Slidell505 wrote...

The entire HN noble origin was poorly implemented. At most you got an extra sentence with the nobles, and Emmon doesn't even mention it. Dalish and HN are the most poorly implemented origins in the game.

I disagree.  The HN origin is pretty powerful.  In the span of 10-20 minutes it makes you care pretty deeply about the Couslands.  It makes you hate and swear vengence upon Rendon Howe.  It ties you up into the story, cements you to your character and his/her lineage and gives you an overall direction (besides the overarching Blight storyline).  I thought it was incredibly well done.

And I actually thought the way it ends with killing Howe was fitting.  We both wanted more.  I wanted to kill him over and over again.  What I think could have been done a bit better was that none of your companions says anything about it.  Even just an, 'Are you alright?" delivered by someone.  No need to respond from the PC.   Just simple recognition of the event.

But that's what imagination is for, I suppose.

[Elhanan]

^ I seem to recall both Alistair and Wynne discussing the Couslands at some point.

[CalJones]

Alistair is a bit slow to commiserate. He spends several conversations moping about Duncan and then asks if you've lost anyone close. After you say your entire family was murdered, he gets a bit embarrassed because he forgot, the knob head. I don't know how any female Couslands can want to romance him after that - I'd be telling him to stick his rose up his bum.

[Tadpradel]

I believe the HN stream was good, I liked the intro with the war and such, and there were many points in the game where being a noble payed off (In the tavern convincing someone to side with me at the landsmeet).



I still think I should have curb-stomped Howe.

[Caralampio]

Elhanan wrote...

As for Howe, I use my imagination to complete the cutscene and game. My S&S HN warrior killed Howe with the Cousland arms, then retired them to Highever upon return. My 2H HN female simply gave him what he asked for (ie;"I deserved more") - and then hit him again.

I've always wondered if something special would happen if you actually killed Howe with the Cousland family sword. I take it it doesn't, except in one's imagination .

When I'm a HN and Howe is about to die I make all the other characters back off and let the main character finish him alone. Just for that feeling of payment.

[MKDAWUSS]

Caralampio wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

As for Howe, I use my imagination to complete the cutscene and game. My S&S HN warrior killed Howe with the Cousland arms, then retired them to Highever upon return. My 2H HN female simply gave him what he asked for (ie;"I deserved more") - and then hit him again.

I've always wondered if something special would happen if you actually killed Howe with the Cousland family sword. I take it it doesn't, except in one's imagination .

When I'm a HN and Howe is about to die I make all the other characters back off and let the main character finish him alone. Just for that feeling of payment.

I tried doing that one time, but then Howe kept trying to fight Alistair, even though the threat/disengage and position combinations would have suggested otherwise

[TJPags]

CalJones wrote...

Alistair is a bit slow to commiserate. He spends several conversations moping about Duncan and then asks if you've lost anyone close. After you say your entire family was murdered, he gets a bit embarrassed because he forgot, the knob head. I don't know how any female Couslands can want to romance him after that - I'd be telling him to stick his rose up his bum.

True.

One of several reasons I just don't like the Alistair character as much as the game seems to think I should.

[Elhanan]

Caralampio wrote...

Elhanan wrote...

As for Howe, I use my imagination to complete the cutscene and game. My S&S HN warrior killed Howe with the Cousland arms, then retired them to Highever upon return. My 2H HN female simply gave him what he asked for (ie;"I deserved more") - and then hit him again.

I've always wondered if something special would happen if you actually killed Howe with the Cousland family sword. I take it it doesn't, except in one's imagination .

When I'm a HN and Howe is about to die I make all the other characters back off and let the main character finish him alone. Just for that feeling of payment.

I honestly do not recall if I was using the sword or not, but distinctly remember that I ended the fight with a Cousland Shield Bash in his kisser. And I also place the party on hold to go one on one with the Arl.