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[HAL4294]

In my opinion, canon is most likely whatever nets the highest approval/least substantial approval loss among all party members in a scenario where all companions are recruited.

[CalJones]

I thought it was a big thing invented by the qunari to fire large, spherical projectiles.

[MelRedux]

CalJones wrote...

I thought it was a big thing invented by the qunari to fire large, spherical projectiles.

^This.

[thegreateski]

CalJones wrote...

I thought it was a big thing invented by the qunari to fire large, spherical projectiles.

I approve.

[Corker]

Nah, it's a style of singing used by the Chantry in which the melody line is repeated by different groups of singers. The qunari thing is spelled differently.

[Sarah1281]

HAL4294 wrote...

In my opinion, canon is most likely whatever nets the highest approval/least substantial approval loss among all party members in a scenario where all companions are recruited.

You know, that's really difficult to do given that Loghain is a companion and recruiting him makes Alistair hostile...

[Last Darkness]

Mages Saved, Dahlish killed+sided with werewolves, Bhelen on throne with branka making golems, unknown connor and isoldes fate, unknown sacred ashes events, Lohgaine executed, alistair on teh throne.

I think thats current canon as shown by Awakening/darkspawn Chronicles.

Modifié par Last Darkness, 18 août 2010 - 04:45 .

[Sarah1281]

DSC can't be considered canon. It's billed as an AU.



And the Templars were in DSC, right? Plus it doesn't ever say who is on the throne. And there's no way they're going to have killing the Dalish as canon. It's far too much of a dick move that screws everybody over and it's so unnecessary.

[Last Darkness]

Sarah1281 wrote...

DSC can't be considered canon. It's billed as an AU.

And the Templars were in DSC, right? Plus it doesn't ever say who is on the throne. And there's no way they're going to have killing the Dalish as canon. It's far too much of a dick move that screws everybody over and it's so unnecessary.

Maybe, I disagree with the Dahlish. Being a dick move or not dosnt matter. The current known cannon basicaly follows a neutral Grey Warden rout of whats best for the war vrs the Blight and the Archdemon.  Werewolves, Mages, Golems are the superior armies.  Basicaly a "What would Duncan do" and hes a very "Ends justifies the means" kind of guy. They arnt called the White Wardens afterall.
The Grey Warden Path would follow Politicaly neutral as much as possible+collecting whatever armies are superior in combat vrs the Blight. This would likely include some question actions during the Landsmeet, a proper warden would put Anora on the throne and quite likly conscript Lohgaine and make him take one for the team as his punishment. Alistair is too much of a "White Knight" to be a proper Warden thats why you have to really "Harden" him.

For teh Braecillian Forest I would think it would play out the helping Zathrian till the last minute then betraying him route to the Werewolves. Plus werewolves are cool
In Orzamaar Bhelen is more then happy to help you, and the golems vrs dwarvern troops is really no contest (They beat the crap outta the Archdemon) plus thats actualy a fairly good scenario for the Dwarves, the best is destroying the anvil with Bhelen as king though.

at the circle you would HAVE to get the mages. You cant get Wynne without saving the mages.

anyways

[Dean_the_Young]

Besides 'the Blight was ended', where does anyone see anything claiming to be canon?

[MKDAWUSS]

All I know about canon is that I'm 100% sure I deviated from it during the course of my game.

[MKDAWUSS]

Last Darkness wrote...

Sarah1281 wrote...

DSC can't be considered canon. It's billed as an AU.

And the Templars were in DSC, right? Plus it doesn't ever say who is on the throne. And there's no way they're going to have killing the Dalish as canon. It's far too much of a dick move that screws everybody over and it's so unnecessary.

Maybe, I disagree with the Dahlish. Being a dick move or not dosnt matter. The current known cannon basicaly follows a neutral Grey Warden rout of whats best for the war vrs the Blight and the Archdemon.  Werewolves, Mages, Golems are the superior armies.  Basicaly a "What would Duncan do" and hes a very "Ends justifies the means" kind of guy. They arnt called the White Wardens afterall.
The Grey Warden Path would follow Politicaly neutral as much as possible+collecting whatever armies are superior in combat vrs the Blight. This would likely include some question actions during the Landsmeet, a proper warden would put Anora on the throne and quite likly conscript Lohgaine and make him take one for the team as his punishment. Alistair is too much of a "White Knight" to be a proper Warden thats why you have to really "Harden" him.

For teh Braecillian Forest I would think it would play out the helping Zathrian till the last minute then betraying him route to the Werewolves. Plus werewolves are cool
In Orzamaar Bhelen is more then happy to help you, and the golems vrs dwarvern troops is really no contest (They beat the crap outta the Archdemon) plus thats actualy a fairly good scenario for the Dwarves, the best is destroying the anvil with Bhelen as king though.

at the circle you would HAVE to get the mages. You cant get Wynne without saving the mages.

anyways

You can get Wynne while siding with the Templars. Basically take the neutral approach with Cullen, and never use the Litany when fighting Uldred. Irving dies, Wynne lives, and you have the Templars.

[Sarah1281]

Maybe, I disagree with the Dahlish. Being a dick move or not dosnt matter. The current known cannon basicaly follows a neutral Grey Warden rout of whats best for the war vrs the Blight and the Archdemon. Werewolves, Mages, Golems are the superior armies. Basicaly a "What would Duncan do" and hes a very "Ends justifies the means" kind of guy. They arnt called the White Wardens afterall.

I find it a bit weird that, game mechanics aside, the Warden would go 'hey, look, I know I'm supposed to kill you all but I just found out that Zathrian turned you guys into werewolves and you look pretty strong. I know you seriously hate being werewolves and all and just want to break the curse but how about we just forget that plan, kill all the elves and then you join me?' and that the werewolves would agree. They're not getting anything that they want here. The fact that the Warden would even bring it up let alone convince them when he has a treaty with the Dalish...I can see, if someone were to set a canon which no one has, killing Witherfang to be canon but not killing the Dalish.

[Dean_the_Young]

But werewolves are cool, and the Dalish gods were smashed aside long ago. So there.

[Thiefy]

nobody knew the werewolves would join you until after you kill the dalish (they never verbally agree to help you with the blight until AFTER the camp is raided). the dalish already promised they'd side with you if you helped them. as a warden building an army, you are only shooting yourself in the foot if you decide to kill the dalish. unless you metagame.

[Sarah1281]

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

nobody knew the werewolves would join you until after you kill the dalish (they never verbally agree to help you with the blight until AFTER the camp is raided). the dalish already promised they'd side with you if you helped them. as a warden building an army, you are only shooting yourself in the foot if you decide to kill the dalish. unless you metagame.

I said that yesterday and got called naive for it. Apparently it's idealistic to think that Zathrian might help you and honor his promise because his whole clan knows he's supposed to help and you're their savior so there is pressure on him to do so but it's not at all naive to think that one or the other group would help you out of gratitude.

Modifié par Sarah1281, 19 août 2010 - 02:36 .

[RavenousBear]

Dean_the_Young wrote...

But werewolves are cool, and the Dalish gods were smashed aside long ago. So there.

Bow & Arrow > Claws. Enough said.

[Thiefy]

Sarah1281 wrote...

Thief-of-Hearts wrote...

nobody knew the werewolves would join you until after you kill the dalish (they never verbally agree to help you with the blight until AFTER the camp is raided). the dalish already promised they'd side with you if you helped them. as a warden building an army, you are only shooting yourself in the foot if you decide to kill the dalish. unless you metagame.

I said that yesterday and got called naive for it. Apparently it's idealistic to think that Zathrian might help you and honor his promise because his whole clan knows he's supposed to help and you're their savior so there is pression on him to do so but it's not at all naive to think that one or the other group would help you out of gratitude.

...am not understanding the logic in that. Personally, on one play through I just killed the Dalish to see what would happened (with no intention of saving) and did a WTF when they said they would help me against the Blight. I mean why would they help me against the Blight, really? Personally I just thought that was something the Devs threw in there as something to even up the odds if you decide to do an evil play through.

Anyway noone really joins you for gratitude, not the dwarves, humans elves or werewolves. They are joining you because they HAVE to, just like as a PC you HAVE to join the Wardens. The only reason Zathrian didn't have you killed on the spot was because you are a Grey Warden, and the only reason he said he would bother to help instead of packing up and leaving is because he would honor his ancestor's wishes to help during a Blight. If you assume the wolves are going to join you because you did them a favor, you are using either metagame knowledge or real world knowledge (meaning you've played enough video games to know that when you do a quest or a favor for an npc 99.99% of the time they pay you back, even if it makes no sense).

[thegreateski]

There is no canon.



Yet.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

Awakenings, if you play an Orlesian Warden, has Alistair being king as canon.

[thegreateski]

That is not canon. That is "we had to choose somebody because you didn't import anyone".

[Thiefy]

thegreateski wrote...

There is no canon.

Yet.

There are bits of cannon regardless of playthroughes. At the end of the game these things always happen:
Calian is dead.
Duncan is MIA.
Lothering is destroyed.
There is a new Dwarven King.
Sacred Ashes are found.
Eamon is saved.
There are no longer werewolves.
Blight has ended.

There was a thread about this sometime back and this is what i remembered.

[Sarah1281]

There are no longer werewolves.

If you side with the werewolves and kill the elves there are still werewolves. I believe they live in peace with humans for a time but, werewolf nature being what it is, that doesn't last.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

thegreateski wrote...

That is not canon. That is "we had to choose somebody because you didn't import anyone".

It's canon for that particular game, for whoever is playing it.