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Herr Uhl wrote...

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So once they lose their tongue, all the handler can say is "bad saarebas, no biscuit"?


Well, that and physical abuse.


nothing a lyrium suppository can't fix:devil: bend over, oh you already are, this'll make things easier
i know...i can be a bit evil at times:innocent:

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Risax wrote...
It has been confirmed that the Qunari have Mages.
There tongues are cut out and they are leashed.


Did you ask Sten about why the Qunari cuut out the Mages' tongues?

It is how they prevent them from ever using any magic.

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Nighteye2 wrote...

Risax wrote...
It has been confirmed that the Qunari have Mages.
There tongues are cut out and they are leashed.


Did you ask Sten about why the Qunari cuut out the Mages' tongues?

It is how they prevent them from ever using any magic.


No. You can use magic without a tongue.

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I'm wondering why mages have their tongues cut out. DA mages don't seem to require incantations to work spells, so not being able to speak wouldn't seem to be a deterrent to rogue magic.


It doesn't stop them from doing magic. It stops a mage who has been possessed by a demon from communicating and possibly corrupting someone else, as Uldred did.



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Nighteye2 wrote...

Risax wrote...
It has been confirmed that the Qunari have Mages.
There tongues are cut out and they are leashed.


Did you ask Sten about why the Qunari cuut out the Mages' tongues?

It is how they prevent them from ever using any magic.


No, like Herr Uhl posted it only stops them from corrupting other mages. Trying to lure them into deals with demons and such. In Lelaina's Song DLC it is said that the only way to trust a mage, is to cut of their hands.

So appearantly they need those to channel their magic, that and magic power and willpower to prevent possesion.

Do you think Qunari mages get thaught at least a porition of magic? You know for battle and such.
And do the Qunari have something similair to a Harrowing to make sure they aren't getting possesed?

Or do the collars have some kind of power to make sure the Qunari can't do much? And yes, I got that from the Wheel of Time.

Modifié par Risax, 29 septembre 2010 - 08:52 .


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nightcobra8928 wrote...
nothing a lyrium suppository can't fix:devil: bend over, oh you already are, this'll make things easier
i know...i can be a bit evil at times:innocent:

And yet I would not be suprised when this happens to a Qunari mage....Posted Image

Though I doubt it would be lyrium, that will only give them more power.
Silly cobra.

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They aren't seen as being people. Perhaps the masks are there to reduce any chance their handlers would have empathy for them?

I haven't thought of that...
So basicly what your saying is, since they are things, the masks make it easier for other Qunari to see them as such?
Though David Gaider mentions on this thread: http://social.biowar...ex/4881248&lf=8

That for the Qunari it is normal to treat their mages in such a way, so you would think they would not need masks for it.

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No one here?

Modifié par Risax, 05 octobre 2010 - 01:08 .


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How is one chosen to become arvaarad?
You must be viewed as special in some way by Qunari.
I mean you have to keep watch over the mages, so they don't use their magic wrongly or turn in to demons.
They have powers like the Templars to fight against mages, which must be usefull for Qunari since the Thedas mages are the only ones that can fight against their troops and cannons.

And they can also dual-wield, which is now Rogue only in DA 2.

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Risax wrote...

How is one chosen to become arvaarad?
You must be viewed as special in some way by Qunari.
I mean you have to keep watch over the mages, so they don't use their magic wrongly or turn in to demons.
They have powers like the Templars to fight against mages, which must be usefull for Qunari since the Thedas mages are the only ones that can fight against their troops and cannons.

And they can also dual-wield, which is now Rogue only in DA 2.


Everyone is special and has their place to fill in some way according to the Qun.

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Herr Uhl wrote...

Risax wrote...

How is one chosen to become arvaarad?
You must be viewed as special in some way by Qunari.
I mean you have to keep watch over the mages, so they don't use their magic wrongly or turn in to demons.
They have powers like the Templars to fight against mages, which must be usefull for Qunari since the Thedas mages are the only ones that can fight against their troops and cannons.

And they can also dual-wield, which is now Rogue only in DA 2.


Everyone is special and has their place to fill in some way according to the Qun.

That's true.
But still how are avaarad trained?
Did they got the techniques from a Thedas Templar?
Or did they figure it out on there own?

And how are there techniques improved?
Alistair thinks the lyrium is only to control Templars, but he isn't sure.
And I guess avaarad have to be strong, their mages might be un-educated, but when a demon posesses them any mage gets crazy strong.
And the avaraad have to fight foreign mages as wel, I think.

Modifié par Risax, 05 octobre 2010 - 01:15 .


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If he can nullify magic how did he learn it?
I mean Allister say you don't need lyrium to become a templar, but I doubt the Chantry will teach a Qunari Templar skills.


Well, the templars had to learn it somehow...who's to say that qunari didn't learn the same tricks? And they indoctrinate other cultures, so it's not unreasonable to think so.

There's a glyph-spell which nullifies magic and empties the mana pool of every mage in a targeted area. (Glyph Of Neutralization)

Modifié par Gisle Aune, 05 octobre 2010 - 03:02 .


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What I would like to know about the handlers is how their relationship to their mage is. I recall one of the developers saying that the Handlers are assigned specific mages, similar to how Sten got a blade crafted for him. So I wonder if the Handlers kinda view thier mages as their "soul" like Sten and his blade. They would probably go berserk like Sten if they lost their mage.

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EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What I would like to know about the handlers is how their relationship to their mage is. I recall one of the developers saying that the Handlers are assigned specific mages, similar to how Sten got a blade crafted for him. So I wonder if the Handlers kinda view thier mages as their "soul" like Sten and his blade. They would probably go berserk like Sten if they lost their mage.

Well they are important to them, if mages are assigned to arvaraad  like you said, they must be important to them.
I also have a theory for the reason why a  arvaraad  kills the Viscount. There mages where probably killed by the Viscount, or at least he send the Templars to do it for him. And since they where his responsibilty, or his 'soul', he got revenge.

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Risax wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What I would like to know about the handlers is how their relationship to their mage is. I recall one of the developers saying that the Handlers are assigned specific mages, similar to how Sten got a blade crafted for him. So I wonder if the Handlers kinda view thier mages as their "soul" like Sten and his blade. They would probably go berserk like Sten if they lost their mage.

Well they are important to them, if mages are assigned to arvaraad  like you said, they must be important to them.
I also have a theory for the reason why a  arvaraad  kills the Viscount. There mages where probably killed by the Viscount, or at least he send the Templars to do it for him. And since they where his responsibilty, or his 'soul', he got revenge.

That actually sounds like quite a good reason for the arvaraad to kill dumar, but if the mages feel the same way to the handler then isn't that some form of stockholm syndrome?

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KJandrew wrote...

Risax wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What I would like to know about the handlers is how their relationship to their mage is. I recall one of the developers saying that the Handlers are assigned specific mages, similar to how Sten got a blade crafted for him. So I wonder if the Handlers kinda view thier mages as their "soul" like Sten and his blade. They would probably go berserk like Sten if they lost their mage.

Well they are important to them, if mages are assigned to arvaraad  like you said, they must be important to them.
I also have a theory for the reason why a  arvaraad  kills the Viscount. There mages where probably killed by the Viscount, or at least he send the Templars to do it for him. And since they where his responsibilty, or his 'soul', he got revenge.

That actually sounds like quite a good reason for the arvaraad to kill dumar, but if the mages feel the same way to the handler then isn't that some form of stockholm syndrome?

I honostly don't know.
In the picture where you see an arvaarad and his mages, the mages look scared but if they are scared of the arvaarad or something else I don't know...

Personally I think the reason he got so mad about the fact that his mages where killed or captured, if this happend.
Is because it was his duty to protect the mages, and since he failed at his duty, he killed the man responsible for it.
And since Sten couldn't return to Par Vollen since he lost his blade, his 'soul'.  I don't think the arvaarad  can't return either, if the mages where similair to his 'soul'.

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Risax wrote...

KJandrew wrote...

Risax wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

What I would like to know about the handlers is how their relationship to their mage is. I recall one of the developers saying that the Handlers are assigned specific mages, similar to how Sten got a blade crafted for him. So I wonder if the Handlers kinda view thier mages as their "soul" like Sten and his blade. They would probably go berserk like Sten if they lost their mage.

Well they are important to them, if mages are assigned to arvaraad  like you said, they must be important to them.
I also have a theory for the reason why a  arvaraad  kills the Viscount. There mages where probably killed by the Viscount, or at least he send the Templars to do it for him. And since they where his responsibilty, or his 'soul', he got revenge.

That actually sounds like quite a good reason for the arvaraad to kill dumar, but if the mages feel the same way to the handler then isn't that some form of stockholm syndrome?

I honostly don't know.
In the picture where you see an arvaarad and his mages, the mages look scared but if they are scared of the arvaarad or something else I don't know...

Personally I think the reason he got so mad about the fact that his mages where killed or captured, if this happend.
Is because it was his duty to protect the mages, and since he failed at his duty, he killed the man responsible for it.
And since Sten couldn't return to Par Vollen since he lost his blade, his 'soul'.  I don't think the arvaarad  can't return either, if the mages where similair to his 'soul'.

So he was trying to regain his honour by a suicide mission?
Got dammit that Qunari with his new fictional backstory is badass

Modifié par KJandrew, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:07 .


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Saibh wrote...

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Not the same one, but he does have similar chest markings.


Mage handler. Definetly mage handler.


Yes, probably.

I will point out that, in the GT cut, they mentioned the markings have to do with rank. Those two qunari (although the concept one shares chest markings) don't have the same markings.

mokponobi wrote...

My guess is what the Qunari did in the trailer is purely for cinematics, just like wielding to full sized weapons and being a warrior (not possible in DA2).


Technically, he's using the swordstaff, which might be a mage's weapon. That he kicks that much ass with it is unreasonable, but he's not doing anything impossible.

In any case, if he's a mage handler, it makes sense he can nullify magic.


No. He's talking about the Qunari wielding 2 weapons.

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KJandrew wrote...
So he was trying to regain his honour by a suicide mission?
Got dammit that Qunari with his new fictional backstory is badass

I don't know if that is what is happening, this is all just speculation.

But for a Qunari...Sounds plausible, and indeed badass.

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Risax wrote...

KJandrew wrote...
So he was trying to regain his honour by a suicide mission?
God dammit that Qunari with his new fictional backstory is badass

I don't know if that is what is happening, this is all just speculation.

But for a Qunari...Sounds plausible, and indeed badass.

I'm sure that the whole revenge/ honour suicide thing was never really thought of and Bioware just meant him to be a one-time character but the fictional motivation and backstory you made for him are badass. So can a dev not just give us a nod to keep us happy, you know in the same way that parents tell their children about santa.

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KJandrew wrote...

Risax wrote...

KJandrew wrote...
So he was trying to regain his honour by a suicide mission?
God dammit that Qunari with his new fictional backstory is badass

I don't know if that is what is happening, this is all just speculation.

But for a Qunari...Sounds plausible, and indeed badass.

I'm sure that the whole revenge/ honour suicide thing was never really thought of and Bioware just meant him to be a one-time character but the fictional motivation and backstory you made for him are badass. So can a dev not just give us a nod to keep us happy, you know in the same way that parents tell their children about santa.

Well I did see a screenshot with Hawke facing of against a Qunari that looked a lot like the avaraad  from the trailer.
I'm going to look for it.

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Here is the picture I meant.
Posted Image

Modifié par Risax, 05 octobre 2010 - 06:32 .


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Where did OP get that pic from?

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th3warr1or wrote...

Where did OP get that pic from?

Google is pretty usefull y'know.

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Posted Image
Well here you see Hawke facing off against an arvaarad, you can also see his mages in the background.
Wait a sec.... The arvaarad  probably lost to Hawke, or Hawke killed his mages, and to get revenge he attacks the Viscount to draw him out for a fight.

Modifié par Risax, 06 octobre 2010 - 06:22 .


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It doesn't really seem that the mages are about to jump in to help their handler.
Maybe they want him to die? Or did the avaraad forbid them to help him?

Modifié par Risax, 12 octobre 2010 - 04:41 .