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After the Trailer: Does The Warden Still Beat Hawke?


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Taint Master

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I made a thread last week to see if ppl thought Hawke could kick the Warden's ass, but after today's trailer I think it's obvious Hawke is waaaaay more powerful.  That finishing move he did would probably 1 shot the Warden.  Also he has glowing eyes and he's not even a warden!  How did he get so powerful?

Anyone still think the Warden could take him?

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Lukas Kristjanson

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I think a more interesting question is which would be the aggressor in this inevitable Heroes’ Miscommunication battle, which would be the first to realize that they had been manipulated the whole time and allow himself to be briefly incapacitated to reveal the true threat, who are the second stringer villains who teamed up for this cockamamie plan to pit them against each other, what is the uncontrollable weapon that is then lost control of, and which first suggests the other one’s finishing move in order to stop it, before they then trade off defeating the other's foe, nod respectfully that in another time they would be enemies but today they have found a friend, and depart for their home territories, their horizons broadened and their wills steeled for the trials to come? And what the hell would Gorilla Grodd think of this mess, I mean, he’s a super intelligent ape, he’d have seen that this matchup was pointless and long since retreated to Borneo or something.



I think a lot of things.

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David Gaider

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thenemesis77 wrote...
Its funny but David Gaider hates the Warden and you can tell when anyone wants the Warden back, when point of fact should have never of been taken away, but he brings in this bum that should have been killed by darkspawn to be better then any person in the DAO legend and to boot, make him the one that changes the world "FOREVER". 

It's like saying we don't want spiderman to be in the world anymore and we bring in bugman, thats just how Hawke  compares to the Warden, oh and if it pisses David off about that, well hell my boy, you should have made it Hawke from the get go. blah.


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Because clearly the only reason to move onto a new hero was because I hate the old one? Because Hawke is my precious baby (even though the Warden was just as much mine as Hawke is)?

I feel like I wandered into "I forgot to take my meds" land again.

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David Gaider

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thenemesis77 wrote...
I really wonder why do you as others think, if you keep a certain character, that it somehow takes away from the story or get dull?  It's all in  how you put the story, why always a new character, it's the way games have gone for years, do people have no faith in their own product?  Is it easy to just come up with all new and dash out the old?


Who says it would take away from the story if we kept the former protaganist?

Lots of sequels keep the same protaganist from one story to the next. It helps if there's a story for that protaganist to continue. In this case, the Warden's story is done. You were there to kill the Archdemon and you did. We could move onto another story with the Warden if we wished to, but we didn't. We chose to move onto a new protaganist (which some sequels do, if you weren't aware).

There's nothing wrong with the Warden, and I'm not sure why you think it upsets me to think that some people are attached to their character. I think that's great-- but that character's not going to fit into every tale, and it certainly isn't going to fit into the one we're creating now. If you wish to remain fixated on the Warden, that's your business. DAO is a great game, and quite frankly it does not need its protaganist to go onto other games to remain a great game.

But when anyone will bring up some real concerns, it's a all med day thing.  Damn, should I take the red or blue med, damn the flux of my time.


As soon as you have some "real concerns", I'll gladly change my opinion. There are real concerns, however, and there there are imagined justifications for "I like my Warden"-- which in itself is fine, but how that translates into us depriving you of the Warden just to spite you (or, oddly, the Warden character) is beyond me. I'll politely suggest you think about it a little.

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David Gaider

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thenemesis77 wrote...
Since the Wardon is done, I guess it's a safe bet to delete that DAO or anything that deals with the warden off your computer, Xbox360 or ps3, I mean it came right from David's words, thats a damn shame, all that money into this game, and with hope of more of your story. blah. What a waste of time.


Are you aware that you can import your DAO save game into DA2? Your choices in DAO can have an affect on the DA2 story and characters, even if you aren't using the same PC. There is also more DLC to come for DAO, if you're interested.

If you're not, however, you're free to do as you wish with your DAO saves. One assumes, from what you've said, that you enjoyed DAO. I can only imagine that enjoying a game that much isn't a waste of time, and that maybe what you enjoyed was the story you experienced there (and completed) as opposed to solely the promise (imagined or otherwise) of that character's continuation.

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David Gaider

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Collider wrote...
It's strange for people to complain of the Warden's story not importing (nevermind the fact that it can be imported). Dragon Age: Origins, if I recall, prior to it's release had never been said to be a game that one could import into other games.


It's not that strange. Origins more or less ends with the main character doing the proverbial walk into the sunset (if they didn't die outright) and a promise that they go on to "other adventures". For some people, they took that as "my character will appear in the sequels"-- whether that's a justifiable expectation or not.

For others, the Morrigan romancers in particular, they feel they didn't have enough closure. Rationally or not, many of them seem to expect that this meant their Warden should carry into the sequel because they still have business to finish with her.

I don't mind that. "Always leave them wanting more" is not a bad way to go. ;)

And who's to say they won't get some of those things? Just not in DA2. Like you said, however, the decisions you make in DAO can still have an effect if you import them into DA2. But people will want what they want regardless.