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[Collider]

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ah, so there was a "the tale of this hero is not yet finished" thing in the ending epilogue? I had forgotten that. Still, I found people being a bit overreactive, like Bioware would be personally antagonizing them if they did not allow DA:O to import into DA2.

Here are the epilogues for Awakening involving the Warden.

Including this "A few years later, the Warden vanishes. Nobody knows why, but "neither does anyone think her tale is complete..."

Which seems to indicate that we'll have another game or something that we can import our Warden (and play as them). Unless it's referring to DA2, which would be weird.

[kraidy1117]

Collider wrote...

Dave of Canada wrote...

Collider wrote...

Ah, so there was a "the tale of this hero is not yet finished" thing in the ending epilogue? I had forgotten that. Still, I found people being a bit overreactive, like Bioware would be personally antagonizing them if they did not allow DA:O to import into DA2.

Here are the epilogues for Awakening involving the Warden.

Including this "A few years later, the Warden vanishes. Nobody knows why, but "neither does anyone think her tale is complete..."

Which seems to indicate that we'll have another game or something that we can import our Warden (and play as them). Unless it's referring to DA2, which would be weird.

I never got that. I got Joshua Cousland stepped down from the wardens and journeyed with Leli, tho she was doing something when Josh went to deal with the Harvastar.

[Dave of Canada]

Collider wrote...

Which seems to indicate that we'll have another game or something that we can import our Warden (and play as them). Unless it's referring to DA2, which would be weird.

Yeah but just because there's other stories to be had, doesn't mean we're taking part in them! It's like they go on a motorcycle and ride off into the sunset, they will have other stories and such but we've seen and concluded this one. They could effectively leave the player's imagination do the rest.

[Taint Master]

David Gaider wrote...
I hate the Warden?  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

Because clearly the only reason to move onto a new hero was because I hate the old one? Because Hawke is my precious baby (even though the Warden was just as much mine as Hawke is)?

Well since you made them both, could you tell us who would win if the Warden fought Hawke?  Which one has the highest power level/most midichlorians???

Modifié par Taint Master, 21 août 2010 - 08:50 .

[spirit-dog]

David Gaider wrote...
It's not that strange. Origins more or less ends with the main character doing the proverbial walk into the sunset (if they didn't die outright) and a promise that they go on to "other adventures". For some people, they took that as "my character will appear in the sequels"-- whether that's a justifiable expectation or not.

For others, the Morrigan romancers in particular, they feel they didn't have enough closure. Rationally or not, many of them seem to expect that this meant their Warden should carry into the sequel because they still have business to finish with her.

I don't mind that. "Always leave them wanting more" is not a bad way to go.

And who's to say they won't get some of those things? Just not in DA2. Like you said, however, the decisions you make in DAO can still have an effect if you import them into DA2. But people will want what they want regardless.

I kinda see why I don't visit these forums much.   It makes the forums of a certian huge MMO I also play look civilized and mature.

I actually like the walk into the sunset.  It leaves the opening for my own imagination to run away with what happened.  It does also leave the opening for more expansions and DLC.   I, and a lot of other people would probably actually be more annoyed if the ending was more concrete.   As it is, my Warden gets to ride off into the sunset traveling and adventureing with her beloved.  I can see far worse endings tbh. 

When Awakenings came out, a lot of the complaints were about how it dealt with the ending from Origins, especially if you had a "noncannon ending" i.e. Anroa on the throne,  Loghain dead,  non-human noble Warden.  Or so it felt.  The lack of ambiguity became a problem, but now people complain about the abiguity.  Seems like sometimes people will never be happy.  The trailers for Awakenings, and both Dragon Ages focous on male leads, which does make me sigh a bit and feel a bit meh since I am female and always play female characters whenever possible, but especially for DA2 where the story is that specific it does make sense. 

I do want more, and I'm looking forward to more DLC.

It is great news that the choices one makes in Origins does effect DA2. 

As for the "does my warden beat Hawke",  she'd see no reason to fight in unless she very much had to, prefering inviting him for tea and a place by the fire instead.  Something to be said for some ammount of diplomacy. 

[PSUHammer]

What is a "canon ending" for DAO? I think Gaider said there is no REAL canon ending as it is what you make it?



Anyway...I have to agree that it is quite silly to be pining for the Warden character. Move on, get therapy! And who is to say this character doesn't show up in future installments? I don't think the writers ever said he was gone for good?

[Danjaru]

Taint Master wrote...
Well since you made them both, could you tell us who would win if the Warden fought Hawke?  Which one has the highest power level/most midichlorians???

Oh no you didn't... Get out <.<..

Modifié par Danjaru, 21 août 2010 - 01:30 .

[Marzillius]

Why the hell does the Warden's and Hawke's eyes glow anyway? The Warden's eyes nevere, ever glows in the games, only in the trailers. Hawke's eyes probably won't glow in the game either.

[Trooper Guy1]

Taint Master wrote...

David Gaider wrote...
I hate the Warden?  ../../../images/forum/emoticons/andy.png

Because clearly the only reason to move onto a new hero was because I hate the old one? Because Hawke is my precious baby (even though the Warden was just as much mine as Hawke is)?

Well since you made them both, could you tell us who would win if the Warden fought Hawke?  Which one has the highest power level/most midichlorians???

This. I have a feeling Hawke would win at full-power compared to the Warden at full-power.

[Danjaru]

Marzillius wrote...

Why the hell does the Warden's and Hawke's eyes glow anyway? The Warden's eyes nevere, ever glows in the games, only in the trailers. Hawke's eyes probably won't glow in the game either.

Awesomeness doesn't have to make sense.

[Niarviel]

Hawke beats warden cause the Warden will eventually have to go into the deeproads and fight to the death because the taint will eventually turn him/her into a ghoul as with all wardens. Unless through some magical experience that is not so which would be rather...stupid.

[Dreadstruck]

Marzillius wrote...

Why the hell does the Warden's and Hawke's eyes glow anyway? The Warden's eyes nevere, ever glows in the games, only in the trailers. Hawke's eyes probably won't glow in the game either.

Oh? Well when my Warden gains XP he keeps sparkling this blue glow as seen in trailer too..

[Alexander1136]

the warden would pwn hawke, mine took out flemeth solo on nightmare with two silverite daggers. i think the warden needs a little more praise. all this hawke is so important crap is kind of getting on my nerves. ik ill get to choose hawke decisions and everything but i think its kind of messed up that the warden is getting ditched to do crap like "the golems of aggamarak". how about wiping the out the darksawn or (ik its been said a thousand times) w/ the old-god child. raising it to defeat the darkspawn. hawke seems to me like he's flemeths play thing, i'll have to play the game but ive got serious reservations about hawke.

[Last Darkness]

Who says the Warden hasnt been updated with you know the new graphics, engine, abilities, equipment?

[Vicious]

Warden's trailer version [canon guy] is clearly a warrior.



Hawke's trailer version [canon guy] is clearly a mage/apostate who is also a pretty good fighter.



So yeah, Hawke could probably beat him.

[Last Darkness]

Vicious wrote...

Warden's trailer version [canon guy] is clearly a warrior.

Hawke's trailer version [canon guy] is clearly a mage/apostate who is also a pretty good fighter.

So yeah, Hawke could probably beat him.

Apostate Arcane Warrior/Blood Mage is the going theory since the AW/B is so hugly popular. Also look at his staff? its literaly a mage staff with the bottem third as a blade.

[nuclearpengu1nn]

Batman kicks both they're asses

[thenemesis77]

The way the Trailer was told, you can see that it's Felmeth and Hawke that have some kind of plan that helps each other and I would not be shocked if David writes that Hawke kills Morrigan to get the god baby for Felmeth, seems like the road they want to take with it and he will also kill the Warden too, if he/she is around anywhere.  The Evil Arc is here. Yaa.

[Ulicus]

Trailer Hawke > Trailer Warden, for sure. If we're just going by rule of cool, anyway.

David Gaider wrote...

For others, the Morrigan romancers in particular, they feel they didn't have enough closure.

Man, I felt I got too MUCH closure with Morrigan. It wasn't tragic enough! You were far too nice to us. Couldn't you have been crueller? Perhaps rendered every male PC Warden infertile, thus forcing Alistair/Loghain to be the Archdaddy? I would have cackled through the tears! Cackled!

It would have been a kick in the teeth, sure, but the kind of kick in the teeth I -- for one -- would have really appreciated.

Modifié par Ulicus, 21 août 2010 - 07:32 .

[BlazingSpeed]

JasonPogo wrote...

Hell no. Hawke hardly beat one Qunari. The Warden killed an Archdemon. Warden still wins from what we know.

This plus, Alistair and the Warden would not have needed a plot device dragon in order to beat one of those evil Qunari that Sten was talking about in DA:O...

Modifié par BlazingSpeed, 21 août 2010 - 07:29 .

[thenemesis77]

I think David is cruel enough, so dont feed into his ego, by far it was left off on that side of the story, it really got to the endgame of DAO that what Morrigan came to you with was really alot more important then the archdemon, at that point the Archdemon became a side plot and as the game ended, I was like ok I know DA2 will be either dealing with a bad Morrigan and god baby or dealing with trying to protect her and the baby from maker knows what but that was not in the cards, and so it's if the Warden never even was there, so call me a big btich baby or whinner, love it, keep it up as I feel the same for you, I speak my mind and no man will tell me otherwise.

[Ulicus]

thenemesis77 wrote...

so call me a big btich baby or whinner, love it, keep it up as I feel the same for you

But... I didn't call you anything! 

thenemesis77 wrote...
I speak my mind and no man will tell me otherwise.

Watch out for Éowyn!

[addiction21]

The problem is Thenemesis77 is you are acting like a baby. You expected one thing but you are getting something else so you are lashing out and making personal attacks against the very same people that gave you the story and characters you love so much in DAO.

Its one thing to be disapointed in not getting a true continuation of the story. It is something else entirely to act like they did it to personally spite you and a group of fans and insult them for it.

[thenemesis77]

addiction21 wrote...

The problem is Thenemesis77 is you are acting like a baby. You expected one thing but you are getting something else so you are lashing out and making personal attacks against the very same people that gave you the story and characters you love so much in DAO.
Its one thing to be disapointed in not getting a true continuation of the story. It is something else entirely to act like they did it to personally spite you and a group of fans and insult them for it.

You talk of personal attacks...really? I mean when one says you have been with out your meds.....not a personal attack on me......give me a break and I never said it was entirely a act to me.  Baby oh baby, run with your own personal attacks.  I'am sorry that it somhow  makes you mad, and I guess I should just be like, yaaaa, it's great and just go along with people like you that like the path the game is going in but I don't have to bend or break, never have I and nor will I ever, enough of this, you have your game and we should just let it be, I should just go away to make you and others feel better that there is no bad feedback on the changes.   I guess if the Warden would have been the one in part 2 you would be the baby, you speak of, hell at this point I don't care anymore, I have a game on my system that has no point ahead, all I would like to know if  DAO, is dead, my Warden dead, then fine, I will go off in the sunset like Daivd said the Warden did and get the damn thing off of my computer, yea I loved the game but at this point I don't and it's only fair to let people know where they stand, let me and othrers know if it's over for the Warden for good, let us know to get rid of what we don't need taking up space. Thata it.

[Riona45]

You know, it's been stated (many times) that Morrigan's baby isn't true for everyone's game, so you can't expect BW to base DA2 around that.