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[Tiruin]

Seeing that archery is more dexterity inclined and it is affected by strength, if Lethality is learned and cunning is higher than strength, then does cunning replace the modifier for attack in using bows?

[Inzhuna]

Hmm, I believe so, yes. Lethality does not specify weapon or attack type, does it?

[Marbazoid]

Lethality only replaces strength with cunning for damage calculations.
(Assuming cunning is higher than strength)

Modifié par Marbazoid, 18 août 2010 - 10:38 .

[Ortaya Alevli]

Right. I believe Strength doesn't affect attack rating for bows to begin with, so it's only the damage bonus.

[Limorkil]

For bows:
DEX = attack & damage & defense
STR = damage & wear armor
CUN = damage(with Lethality only) and armor penetration

damage:
DEX+STR influence damage without Lethality.
With Lethality, the greater of DEX+STR and DEX+CUN is used.
As far as I am aware they all influence damage equally, so one is not better than another.

Right now I have Leliana using a bow with high cunning on nightmare. Nice damage but she misses way too much. Since both DEX and CUN do damage, DEX is better. But CUN is used for bard songs and deft hands so it seemed worthwhile for Lel. Her build seems the least useful overall though, so I am always tempted to respec her away from CUN to DEX.

Modifié par Limorkil, 18 août 2010 - 03:31 .

[Tiruin]

Alright, thanks for the info!



I've been working on my main character, a rogue archer who has 60 DEX and 30 CUN, just wondering if spec'ing in Lethality would help



Again, thanks!

[Elhanan]

Tiruin wrote...

Alright, thanks for the info!

I've been working on my main character, a rogue archer who has 60 DEX and 30 CUN, just wondering if spec'ing in Lethality would help

Again, thanks!

With those scores, you may wish to pump STR a bit. It aids in archery as mentioned, you can wear heavier armors which helps in surviving some special attacks, and can an tote a shield to use with melee weapon of choice. While there are no shield talents for Rogue, the specs and Rogue talents sometimes do apply quite well And in Awakenings, you may apply heraldry of choice to your shield.

Modifié par Elhanan, 24 août 2010 - 11:34 .

[DwarvenRogue]

60 dex...30 cun

I don't know if suits archers but not boosting strength or constitution for a rogue is a not a very smart move cause armor and certain weapons require strength...

And leliana already hhas her pad locking and stealing upgraded so she is the one he needs lethality and cunning and dexterity..

while you should focus on your archer spells and only get lethality cause you can upgrade it to evasion.. focus on your constitution and damage an archer should be resilient and heavy damaging with his normal attacks your not a mage you don't have heal so focus on your resilience....

If anyone thinks I'm wrong go ahead

[Elhanan]

^ I agree w./STR, but CON adds are not needed, IMO. By having higher DEX & STR, you can avoid dmg in the first place, so the extra HP are not needed. Or at least, I have not needed it in my play.

[DwarvenRogue]

Elhanan wrote...

^ I agree w./STR, but CON adds are not needed, IMO. By having higher DEX & STR, you can avoid dmg in the first place, so the extra HP are not needed. Or at least, I have not needed it in my play.

I'm saying constitution instead of cunning, strength is very essential especially for strong weapons and armor
If leliana is on your teaam why waist your points on pad locking or stealing......so you wouldn't need cunning

[Elhanan]

Based on other posts, the min Cunning needed for abilities and/or skills is 22.

I go ahead and get 30, plus Deft Hands and Stealing as I prefer to do these tasks myself esp when involved in sidequests. Lil often gets respec w/o these, as I wish to help he stay on her new path in the Chantry. Or as a Bard. Etc. But she certainly remains a memeber of the party.

Now maybe a solo Rogue could use more health, but I prefer to play with Lil... er, I mean a party!

Modifié par Elhanan, 24 août 2010 - 01:07 .

[DwarvenRogue]

I say cunning should be less than constitution unless your focusing on pad locking and stealing and your not boosting strength and you have lethality...

I only get lethality to get evasion.

But I think getting cunning instead is only good for archers.

and I'm about to try one...Without upgrading the duel weapons. you'll have plenty of points to spare. but I don't remember any longbows until duncans quest (darkspwn vials and treaties) the darkspawn bows which suck....

so archers are not that powerful at early game..

If you wish to correct me do so...

[Elhanan]

Evasion has an effect which may interrupt attacks. See the DAO Wiki for archers.

And as mentioned, Lethality only seems to add the dmg bonus; not attack, boost to encumberance, etc. So rather than go with Cunning, I aim to set STR for the armor I wish to have, then place most of the rest on DEX. I also like having Cunning and Willpower at 30, but that is a personal goal.

There are longbows in some Origins, and at least one at the Quartermasters in Ostagar.

Try placing STR quickly to 20 to use some of the better DLC armor if you have it, then aim for raising DEX and STR evenly until you hit the STR mark you desire (ie; 38 for the best heavy armor).

[DwarvenRogue]

Elhanan wrote...

Evasion has an effect which may interrupt attacks. See the DAO Wiki for archers.
And as mentioned, Lethality only seems to add the dmg bonus; not attack, boost to encumberance, etc. So rather than go with Cunning, I aim to set STR for the armor I wish to have, then place most of the rest on DEX. I also like having Cunning and Willpower at 30, but that is a personal goal.
There are longbows in some Origins, and at least one at the Quartermasters in Ostagar.
Try placing STR quickly to 20 to use some of the better DLC armor if you have it, then aim for raising DEX and STR evenly until you hit the STR mark you desire (ie; 38 for the best heavy armor).

Right at the quartermaster....
You're definitely correct thanks for the info..
and change that picture please..
put something that makes you look unique(Just saying, no offense)

[Bane of Revenants]

What's with you and the fuggin avatar thing?

[DwarvenRogue]

I just hate that avatar it so common and the bald guy avatar too..

stop cussing before I report your post....

[Bane of Revenants]

It's your problem. Deal with it.

[DwarvenRogue]

Its none of your business anyway its between me and Elhanan

[Eurypterid]

You guys can take your arguments to PMs. DwarvenRogue, everyone has different tastes. If you don't like the avatar Elhanan has chosen, that's fine, but I don't see the need to comment on it to everyone that opts to use it.

[Elhanan]

I chose the Old Man cause my full handle on the forums is Elhanan; the Ancient One, and the ghost portrait is no longer available. Others are just wannabe's....

And I still prefer STR archers. Recently in Awakeings I survived some fairly scary Overwhelms, and used my DAO Warden to best the Harvester in the DLC.

Modifié par Elhanan, 25 août 2010 - 08:00 .

[DwarvenRogue]

Just stating my opinion no need to get hasty......

I too prefer str archers but I recommend after your strength is 38 star boosting constitution...