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[DracoFulcrum]

Kriztaen wrote...

November Cousland wrote...

Eddo36 wrote...

Also, athletic females shouldn't be that large in the chest area due to excercise and burning fat.

Most boobs are not made of fat. They are called mammary glands for a reason. Jesus Christ.

I gotta say, this made me laugh. Maybe TC should spend a little more time on wikipedia and a little less time on these forums making silly topics. Also just for future reference, yes TC breasts have some fat but that is only a part of the whole.

In terms of the actual topic itself...I never once felt that female armor was over-sexualized. If he is complaining about Miranda and Jack. Dude what they are wearing is not armor. As for FemShep. No. I always figured it is form fitting to stop from restricting movement, think of it the same way you would a wetsuit. A tight form fitting suit is better/more comfortable for swimming/diving/surfing than wearing baggy jeans and a large t-shirt.

Please. Stop making topics that are obviously made to just either annoy people and get very predictable responses. (and yes I do see the irony in the fact that my own response is a predictable one)

Also, just my own question. Eddo, what do you think of MaleShep's armor? Because last time I looked it was just as form-fitting as the female variants. In fact the ME1 light armors are pretty much the same level of tightness as the female ones, complete with cod-piece to boot.

Ha Ha I cant use the Male Sheps I laugh at the jock srap front, is he playing hockey?:lol:

[Kitteh303]

Are we still talking about this? Please, do not feed the troll.

[Majin Paul]

I hope this is a joke, ALL armour is basically skintight, a female wearing male armour wouldn't find it at all comfortable and it wouldn't make sense.

Would you rather everyone have baggy shirts with mass effect fields?

[Liec]

The female armor isn't any more skin-tight than the male one.

[tmk]

As obvious as his obvious trolling is, I partially agree on one point - the waist area of FemShep's armor is way narrower than it realistically should be (switch a few times between armor and casual outfit and you'll probably see what I mean). Not to mention the acute lordosis issue.



But other than that, I think femShep's armor is fine. Samara's and Miranda's - yes, ridiculous as hell, femShep's - not really.

[ClosingRacer]

Eddo36 wrote...

Just wondering why females need a seperate suit of armor for the sole purpose of showing their curves in ME? Combat armor should be unisex.

All you did is make a new thread about an old subject you brought up twice already and changed the wording a little bit stop trolling and if you think you are right keep it in one thread instead of making 3 threads about the same subject....

and onto topic it self So MAss Effect should be the first game to make a unisex armor for there characters?.... Males and Females always have different Armor or clothes in almost every game... And BTW when is Mass effect the military? it isn't so  your military does point is moot...

[Dr. rotinaj]

Wow, somebody has a different opinion and that makes them a troll. Not to say that I agree with him (the only thing over-sexualized in this game is Miranda's outfit), It's just crazy how quick it is for people's thoughts to be dismissed on these forums.

Modifié par Dr. rotinaj, 18 août 2010 - 08:09 .

[Roamingmachine]

Modern bodyarmor is NOT unisex. Vests meant for women are curved for boobs. Reason being that a high-energy impact, such as a bullet, would cause tremendous trauma on said funbags which would result in serious internal bleeding if the armor plate would be flat as with men.

Edit:typo

Modifié par Roamingmachine, 18 août 2010 - 08:10 .

[Liec]

Just wondering why turians need a seperate suit of armor for the sole purpose of showing their supportive waist in ME? Combat armor should be unirace.

[burrito]

Eddo36 wrote...

Just wondering why females need a seperate suit of armor for the sole purpose of showing their curves in ME? Combat armor should be unisex.

more boobage the better

[ClosingRacer]

Dr. rotinaj wrote...

Wow, somebody has a different opinion and that makes them a troll. Not to say that I agree with him (the only thing over-sexualized in this game is Miranda's outfit), It's just crazy how quick it is for people's thoughts to be dismissed on these forums.

He don't need to make 3 different threads about the same subject....

Modifié par ClosingRacer, 18 août 2010 - 08:19 .

[Jonesey2k]

I like it. The armour really shows off femshep's rather fine body

[The Radical Centrist]

A few things

1) Comparing ME body armor with modern body armor is a non-sequitor. ME armor is a full-body hard suit designed to provide protection against heavy fire in the event of failing kinetic shields or biotic barriers. Modern body armor is a para-aramid fabric (note that word -- fabric). Aramid consists of synthetic fibers -- it's not completely form-fitting but it isn't as restrictive as the ME hard-suits would be.

2) Breasts are made up of very soft tissue -- unisex uniforms would be impossible with a hard-suit without causing severe discomfort or even pain to larger chested women. You may as well ask Bioware to ret-con the women in ME to all be flat-chested.

3) Athletic women do not necessarily have smaller breasts. Some women simply have large chests, it has a good deal to do with genetics as it has to do with building up fat stores. Take a look at our women in the military sometime, they're not all A cups. I would know, I serve alongside many women, not all of whom are flat-chested.

4) In addition to the above comment about breasts, women also have wider hips in general. Again, making unisex hard-suits impractical.

Modifié par The Radical Centrist, 18 août 2010 - 08:25 .

[illerianna]

Seriously, OP, this thing wasn't clever the first two times, and it won't be any time soon.

[TheKillerAngel]

http://l-clausewitz....com/384382.html



For hard armor, women might not need it to be shaped around the form of their upper body. The above link is more applicble to melee weaponry and combat though.

[The Radical Centrist]

Right, but the melee fighters of the ME universe are charging Krogan and Rachni. They'd have no problem crushing or ripping through armor respectively.

I'm not certain about the claim that "all but the largest breasts can be bound quite flat against the woman's chest without occasioning too much discomfort". I'd need to see what qualifies as "the largest breasts" for starters.

I do agree that separate cups for the armor is unnecessary. I disagree that accommodation for feminine assets is unnecessary. I also disagree with the OP that this constitutes "over-sexualization". I think the problem this is a case of "reality is unrealistic". Namely that we've seen it done this way so many times in fiction we start to assume that it's the only way.

Modifié par The Radical Centrist, 18 août 2010 - 09:56 .

[BlackbirdSR-71C]

illerianna wrote...



Seriously, OP, this thing wasn't clever the first two times, and it won't be any time soon.

Seems there is no stopping him. And no arguing with him either. It's best to just stop caring about him.

[jojon2se]

Thing is Bioware have unabashedly embraced this reputation they have attained -- look at the plethora of forum punters obsessed with one character or other, typically from the inevitable romantic subplots of one of their games, to see what I mean.



Both the male and female body models are built to conform to current beauty ideals, more often than not spilling over into charicatures. That is most certainly not unique to this developer, of course, but the females with waists like wasps and ridicolous leg-to-torso ratios are there, as are the guys with chests too wide to fit through a door and arms the thickness of thighs.



Male and female armors are designed to highlight these features even further - we're not just talking breasts here - every conspictiously contrasting seam is there to frame an attractive shape or draw your focus to a certain point and the rounding of plating is no doubt calculated to the 5th decimal to be "pleasant".

Ever noticed any woman wearing a top that is brighter above the chestline than below? -Such a simple little trick, yet so effective.



As for form-fitting; all truly effective armor should really be "tailor-made" for the individual that is to wear it - no pulling a hauberk off that goblin you just hacked up and donning it yourself, really. Gender is only one of the things that matters as far as practicality goes, it's a biggie and extends to various proportion parameters beyond the matter of breasts and hips, but just such a thing as overall size overshadows it.

Look under a shirt of chain mail and you'll find a really thick shirt of dense felt padding, which is very warm and uncomfortable, but vital for the armor to be effective - without it you'll just be pummeled to death instead of sliced up. It soften the blow and distributes it over a larger body area - the closer /that/ fits, the better.

There is no reason, however, other than braggery/intimidation, for the outer shell to closely resemble the body beneath it and the armor layers, especially the padding mentioned above, tend to smooth out any such features very effectively.

...and certainly not if that means constructing an outright funnel right in front of your heart - that space could be better spent on thicker plating and angles that could deflect a glancing shot, rather than direct it towards you.



You want armor as thin as possible, so that you can move without restriction, you say? -Good point, very good - please inform the game developers that give us clipping nightmares in the form of curasses large enough to live in and pauldrons that will crush your head, should they topple (while still keeping the elf princesses wearing nothing but body paint and a mail thong, of course) .



I guess we'll just have to be really flexible with the point at which we suspend disbelief.



In short: sex sells and BW appears to feel they might as well be blatant about it. It is hardly a coincidence that Mass effect female characters have that accutely bent back - it may be "unhealthy", but no doubt taken right off the catwalks.

[Spartas Husky]

Eddo36 wrote...

Please give a reason to add constructively to this discussion. I've noticed that modern body armor in the real world are unisex. Why is it different in ME?

Because our technology today can't make armor for the woman's body without sacrificing protection.

Fortunately for us males, and unfortunately for females, their curves make the building of kevlar to suit their body near impossible. Short of building a kvlar to suit their curves it would be like wearing platemail... big study pre fabricated piece of armor that doesn't allow them to move.

If you see ME universe, we've come to the "point" of building armor pieces like the Romans build their armors. Segemented pieces of kinetic paddings.

Now.... how did engineers figured out how to protect the breast area... without adding just big study pieces.... I will never know... hence is the future lol. But maybe like the the Icenii in Britan did for their females.

They wore a standard piece of breastplate, careful crafted to form the chest area of most woman, but it stopped short of the heart, the things below the heart were protected by chainmail.

Increase protection for chest, but lower it for the lower abdomen.. not a good tradeoff.

So in the end... why today we make pieces of armor.... because believe it or not, we just began to master kevlar technology... and we can't make pieces in whichever way we want.. kevlar after all is a ceramic, too much curves and pressure will break it.

But I am sure within 20-30 years, we will see woman wear armor that dont freacking wear so damn hard on their bodies... because believe me, I have seen woman not be so damn proud of wearing the armor "guys wear" is not comfortable for them... specially with a 50 lbs back pack  on them.

Besides why not have them like that... I would not complain... and it would make me forget that I am tired... just being honest

[MTN Dew Fanatic]

[Destroy Raiden_]

I'm a girl gammer if the girl is strutting in a bikini or a thong I've got a problem FShep in armor is really really great! I love her actually not prescribing to the inverse armor theory but at the same time I would not like a unisex armor I'm a girl so I want to have armor that reflex this to a point the N7 armor looks fine so does Mercenary but the swimsuit types in 1 I did not like She needs to look protected, bad ass, but also walk the line of looking like a girl. The only game so far where my girl plays up unisex clothing is in Fable where she can have a mans coat, pants, and sport a corset under it to add a girlish touch

[Spartas Husky]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

I want to have armor that reflex this to a point the N7 armor looks fine so does Mercenary

there u go... end of story

Destroy Raiden wrote..
but the swimsuit types in 1 I did not like She needs to look protected, bad ass,

you talking about the ME1 Armor? of specific ones?..... never thought Ashley looked bad in Heavy Predator armor.

[PWENER]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

ogod

I cannot verify the seriousness of these suggestions, but the armor in Mass Effect is hardly as sexualized as say, armors in an Eastern MMORPG. If anything I'd consider them pretty conservative. They look different for M/F because it adds more visual variety.

If you do want to see "oversexualized," Go look up the Dark Elves from Lineage 2 or the Castanics from TERA Online.

Now THAT's armor!!!

[Spartas Husky]

right.... where is that manga pic of "the less it covers... apparently the more it protects"

hell I aint complaining for the looks... but if I see that type of armors offering "reduced meele dmg" I will just laugh my ass off....

btw... wth type of bow is that???.... I played WoW, Guild Wars... but wow... that thing looks anything but a bow... lol

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 19 août 2010 - 01:25 .