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[EvilPistolet]

Wich similarities do you see with other fantasy titles?
the Grey wardens reminds me somehow of the fellowship of the ring in LOTR
Darkspawn : Orchs
Walking rhyming trees --> LOTR
"Giants" 
Witcher similarities
Someone mentioned the grey roads similar to "the ways" in some Robert Jordan book.

Is this really unique title or just some "standard" fantasy ingredients and cleverly stole ideas in some wierd muddy n blooody soup?
What could Bioware have done to make something that was completely new in a fantasy setting?

[Arcite550]

Ummm they totally redid a set of rules breaking away from DnD starting their own new thing. Next most fantasies involve orcs and creatures and stuff like the darkspawn are not orcs, even if they look like it they arent. If thats not good enough for you I havent found a story similar to that of the one in dragon age, so I say nay it is not a rip off

[Errel]

*Wakes up*



OMG, THE HORROR!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAGH



*Dies*

[KethWolfheart]

Much less than examples I can think of. Considering how much fantasy is out there kinda hard to not have similarities. They took basic stock and altered in somewhat.

If you read any of the interviews you would know that was part of their intention. They didn't want something totally different because it might alienate people. They wanted enough in common with basic fantasy so people could recognize and relate to it ...but alter it enough so it would be different and have their own flavor to it.

So overall I say no, it isn't.

Modifié par KethWolfheart, 23 octobre 2009 - 04:44 .

[Lifter82]

If you put it like that, every fantasy setting involving orcs, talking trees or elves is a rip off.
Sure you can come up with races nobody has seen before but how much fun is a world full of turkeys wielding 2-h axes and 2m high mice with a pigs face asking you to find the almighty muffin.

Modifié par Lifter82, 23 octobre 2009 - 04:49 .

[Arlana Tabris]

Every fantasy (or any other genre for that matter) book, movie or game has some similarities to some other book, movie or game. If you compare every aspect, you would soon discover that nothing is original - there is always something you read or saw before. But this is not how books, movies or games should be seen.

[Mistersunshine]

Lifter82 wrote...
Sure you can come up with races nobody has seen before but how much fun is a world full of turkeys wielding 2-axes and 2m high mice with a pigs face asking you to find the almighty muffin.

That sounds pretty fun, actually...

[Errel]

I for one would not want to see Genlocks and Hurlocks (at least the were creative enough to not call them orcs) replaced by japanese tentacle creatures.. or barbarian ducklins..



Also there are dwarfs and elves. And elves have pointy ears and hey, dwarfs are short. And notice that the humans resemble.. humans. Is that a ripoff?



In my opinion, creatures like that belong to the fantasy genre like spaceships and aliens belong to science fiction. And horrible, horrible acting belongs to soap operas..

[Terwox_]

Lifter82 wrote...

If you put it like that, every fantasy setting involving orcs, talking trees or elves is a rip off.
Sure you can come up with races nobody has seen before but how much fun is a world full of turkeys wielding 2-axes and 2m high mice with a pigs face asking you to find the almighty muffin.

I would so love a game with that in it

Although I'd probably eat the muffin :/

[Taltherion]

I think for a game setting, you can't be completely original. You must have something that people can recognize. I love the Witcher books because the author takes all thos fairy tales of our culture and turns them into Witcher tales ...



Somebody once said (and I can't quote verbatim) that average minds steal, a genius gets inspired. I think there are enough good ideas in DAO to not be a ripoff and that the world can grow - after all, we have the toolset and I bet there'll be expansions.

[Errel]

Lifter82 wrote...

If you put it like that, every fantasy setting involving orcs, talking trees or elves is a rip off.
Sure you can come up with races nobody has seen before but how much fun is a world full of turkeys wielding 2-h axes and 2m high mice with a pigs face asking you to find the almighty muffin.

My point exactly, only i took longer to type it and you thought of an almighty muffin.

And if it truly bothers you, science fiction is the genre for you, they constantly come up with new creatures for that. Heck, in some games they don't even look like humans in an ugly-suit.

[Dennis Carpenter]

when you take into account some of the great epic fantasy writers......tolkien.....Moorcock..........etc etc once their works were out then does anything remotely resembling any piece of that work become a ripoff???? There are many others I just put up two cause I have trouble remembering yesterday.



Every time I start to run a game for D&D my thoughts start to create a world for my players and everything i put down is a ripoff even though i might think it original simply because it is influenced by what i have read whether consciously or subconsciously.

[DPB]

Excerpt from the PC Gamer UK review:

This is the most enormously detailed game world I've experienced, its history stretching back thousands of years, its cultures vivid, beautiful and flawed, the humour superb. Roleplaying games now have a lot to live up to.

I really don't think there's anything to worry about in this regard.

[NewYears1978]

Everything in life is a rip-off of something else....plain and simple..

[Baelin Firestorm]

BioWare produced KOTOR. Prior to playing it, I had plodded through several Star Wars titles; all of which had tried to evoke the spirit of the first movie, but failed. KOTOR was the only game (that I felt) not only captured the spirit of the first movie, but took a story in directions that left me both personally attached and ultimately satisfied. Does that make the game a rip off, or a sincere homage to the series with unique takes on familiar themes and a rewarding story?

BioWare produced Neverwinter Nights in which a great deal of adherance was made to DnD rules. Does that mean BioWare ripped off DnD? The whole point of the game was to place in a world with DnD rules and see if you could make a story under those guidelines that simultaneously had mass appeal, yet each player would feel a personal connection to. Again, BioWare succeeds.

Looking back, BioWare has produced many stories that had some basis on the familiar. However, while many other companies are pumping out schlock that is nothing more than hack, slash, rinse, and repeat, BioWare actually makes the journey meaningful.

...

If the OP has ever played a BioWare title, then they already know the message I'm trying to convey, at which point you are a forum troll, good sir, and it is you that is unoriginal and something the world has seen too much of.

If the OP is genuinely unfamiliar with BioWare, then take a leap of faith and play one of their titles. You won't question what BioWare is about afterwards. I promise!

Modifié par Baelin Firestorm, 23 octobre 2009 - 05:09 .

[Taltherion]

NewYears1978 wrote...

Everything in life is a rip-off of something else....

In that case ... I want my money back.

[SheffSteel]

Dragon Age:Origins - Standing on the shoulders of giants.



Who wants originality? You can argue that most western fantasy in the last 50 years just copied Tolkien... but when you consider that Tolkien (and C.S. Lewis) did a lot of research into northern European folktales and myths before starting to write, it's easier to understand why those books resonated so powerfully with such a broad audience - because they contained a lot of material that was not original but a synthesis of existing ideas and beliefs.

[Errel]

NewYears1978 wrote...

Everything in life is a rip-off of something else....plain and simple..

That's impossible. plain and simple

[EvilPistolet]

Bio-Boy 3000 wrote...


Yes it is true Dragon Age is a fantasy ripoff because the poor peons of the world wouldn't know what to do with an original idea. The greater audience gets scared and confused when you offer them anything that is remotely  to their senses. When will the world wake up from this blanket of banality and relise the media establishment is grinding them under the boot of mediocrity! 

True. The memes, the heritage of Tolkien has been overused. People have been diggin into old myths and stuf ut we have seen that too.. Now instead of using old ideas, we could JUST make NEW ONES.

This is how an idea work. 

Association. Patterns and 1+1

Now for example we would like to create a new race based on a human.
Horror-vision

We have 1 human and mix it with a pig. So the head will be a pig the stomache of the human will have freaky nipples and ass will have a little pigtail but it will talk like a human and have human hair and if a girl it might have boobs,

Or we could do it like they did in Beyond good and evil.

There are millions billions of possibillities it´s just that the developers do not have a propercharacter toolset in their heads.

In appearance the elves only have pointy ears, WOW THATS ORIGINAL! They might be shorter taller.. WOW man that soo cool, have long hair or whatever.. omg.. genius..

When you investigate the ideas and memes floating around in our world they are one dimensional.  There are no brave thinkers left, wich is sad.. I´ve had it with this ****.. Humans sure are pathetic....

[LdyShayna]

Is someone seriously saying that being able to draw some parallels to other works in the same genre means something is a rip-off? I'm hoping I'm mis-reading that, because that would be plain silly.

[Sheylan]

They stole the name Hurlocks from Tamora Pierce... admittedly her Hurlocks were carnivorous flying horses.

Kidding aside, I cannot think of a SINGLE fantasy piece that did not take Something from another story. With the saturation the genre has I'm not even convinced its even possible. (Okay, Eifelheim is probably the exception that proves the rule, LOOK IT UP!)


Just to be clear, I am not saying that this is a bad thing, just inevitable, and Dragon Age from what I have seen does a good job of not blatently ripping of other storys in the genre.

Modifié par Sheylan, 23 octobre 2009 - 05:20 .

[EvilPistolet]

Well it is true I could steal the leg of a Dali piece of art add it to something I stole from Monet and just take small parts of each artwork and noone would notice right? In the End it would be my art.

But I would feel fake...



That is what I mean... But we are humans we are uncunsciously stealing and copying others without knowing..



Hm.

[Baelin Firestorm]

EvilPistolet wrote...

There are millions billions of possibillities it´s just that the developers do not have a propercharacter toolset in their heads.

In appearance the elves only have pointy ears, WOW THATS ORIGINAL! They might be shorter taller.. WOW man that soo cool, have long hair or whatever.. omg.. genius..

When you investigate the ideas and memes floating around in our world they are one dimensional.  There are no brave thinkers left, wich is sad.. I´ve had it with this ****.. Humans sure are pathetic....

Part of the point of having familiar characters is that it is easier for many to form a closer personal connection to the avatar.

Want bizarre random characters? Play spore.

[Schwadragon]

I think people focus too much on the setting of a story when deciding whether it is original or not, rather than the stroy itself. For example, DA has elves, yes, but it does something original with them. It's not the set pieces that make a story original or unoriginal, it's what you do with them.