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[EvilPistolet]

It is all like Solomon said, "nothin new under the sun.."

Depressing, sry i´m just pissed of at the fantasy genre adn the standard RPGs as a whole keep doing the same thing over and over.



There are exceptions.

Ah i remember the good days with Arcanum even though they use the clichés they implement it into a new original future world..

Plancescape torment maybe is the best example of good gamedesign...



I want to be shocked, i want to see new stuf I have never seen before.. Something my brain NEVER could imagine...That is when a game become "interesting"

[Maria Caliban]

don't consider it a rip-off. I have read several science fiction and fantasy stories that I consider more original than Dragon Age.



Do I wish it were more unique? Yes. Please give me different for different's sake.



Do I think Dragon Age is bad because it's familiar? Not at all. I believe I'll find a great deal to love in this game, and I believe there's more originality than appears on the surface.

[DPB]

It's supposed to be a traditional fantasy setting, when they created the world they wanted to create something that would appeal to fans of their old games like Baldur's Gate and Neverwinter Nights, but without the shackles of Wizards of the Coast.

[Adaram]

I like it!

[M_arc]

Is it a ripp off? No



Could it have been more original? Yeah probably.



Do I care? No, it's gonna be awsome =D

[Aurvan]

Whatever it is, it's far LESS of a rip-off than Forgotten Realms. And that's one step in the right direction.

[Mordor the Redguard]

The simple answer is yes. But in reality all fantasy is but this isn't the first time bioware had some help coming up with ideas. Just look at Mass Effect:



Quarians = Battlestar Galatica 300 years after starting the search for Earth and finding aliens on the way.



Rachni extinction and resurection = Ender's Game in which Ender helps with the tactics that cause the extinction of an incestoid race controlled similar to the Rachni and he finds an egg of the now extinct race and helps it repopulate.



Reapers = Terminator, Matrix, heck pick your own robot apocalypse.



SPECTERs = Jedi, plain and simple



Biotics = The Force



Humans = Star Trek, Humans come on the scene and become the dominate race.



They are not the first to take ideas and put their own twist on them, look at Star Craft.



Marines and Terrans = Warhammer Space Marines



Protoss = Eldar and Tau combined



Zerg = Tyranids which were a rip of Aliens.



WOW is just it form of LotR and DnD.



LotR is a lot of creatures and stories of myth and folk-lore refined and combined.



But is this a bad thing, oh god no. Bioware does what it does awesomely it make the best damn story it can. Every bit of Mass Effect was told there way with unique ways on how all the parts combine and if Mass Effect is any indicaition DA:O will be just as good if not better. It is the actual story and characters that make the story unique and different.

[Eoweth]

Arcite550 wrote...

Ummm they totally redid a set of rules breaking away from DnD starting their own new thing. Next most fantasies involve orcs and creatures and stuff like the darkspawn are not orcs, even if they look like it they arent. If thats not good enough for you I havent found a story similar to that of the one in dragon age, so I say nay it is not a rip off

vs


No, they aren't "orcs", but there's quite a lot of similarities there.

So far in The Stolen Throne we've got assassinated Queens, bandits in the woods, creepy witches in the woods, trees that are alive, wood elves you can't see till they attack you, "magic", "dragons", usurpers.

It's all staple fantasy stuff. That's not saying it's bad, but it's not entirely original either.  Wouldn't call it a ripoff at all, just "familary fantasy setting". 

[Kauso]

Hey how do I put my dragon age created char as my profile pic? its not letting me its sayin im not a member of the BioWare community or does not have any Dragon Age data.

[Wolf Northwind]

There are 12 stories. Every tale ever told is a variation on one or more of them.

[Eoweth]

there's a delay in when they are available, sometimes a few hours even. Give it time and eventually it'll show on at the right side of your Choose New Profile Avatar screen.

[CJohnJones]

The short answer is yes, but only if you consider standard dark fantasy to be a ripoff.

[vyvexthorne]

You can't really say anythings a rip-off though anymore because everything's pretty much been done already. D&D used mythological creatures that had already been thought of before and then built off of that. Any fantasy game that comes out will have creatures that are similar to fantasy games that have been done before. Any music that comes out now fits into a category.. There is no unique new style of music.. Any movie that comes out now.. the basic plot has been done before.. all they can do is tweak the characters and story within the basic plot. Even technology is becoming something we can only just build upon. So really the word rip-off just needs to go away..

They can only borrow and build on ideas.

[Alexandus]

ZOMG! This sci-fi shooter has guns! And aliens! And spaceships! WHAT A RIPOFF

[Baelin Firestorm]

I don't know if the game has trolls, but these forums sure do.

[Veyt]

Trying to be original and unique only serves to isolate people, you can stretch so far into the unknown that you become ridiculous. I for one am going to enjoy this game because not only will it offer something refreshing - it'll quench my thirst for the genre I am a fan of; romance, pending doom and elves . All of Bioware's games have a certain trademark that makes them attractive to their audience base and there are even recurring themes between the different genres.

Modifié par Veyt, 23 octobre 2009 - 06:09 .

[DarkWaterSong]

I truly believe this is an original world. I have never seen Elves with the same background, and explanation on their loss of immortality. I like the fact the dwarfs are not getting it because they dug to deep out of greed, and the dragons seem to be different than most settings. Add the whole demon/zombie/evil mage together and your enemy is a lot broader than most fantasy settings.



And yes, I am comparing the game to Dragon Lance, Fallen Realms, Dark Sun, Planscape, Lord of the Rings, and other fantasy games I have played. It does not match or rip off any one of them, and the closest parallel I can find is Mordor and the Darkspawn...but I don't think there is a central evil figure behind the whole thing.

[Red Viking]

To be fair, anyone can always argue that anything is a ripoff of something else. What matters is what you do with the material.

[YDragGoth]

I agree that there are "rip-offs" here, and a steriotype fantasy setting. For me thats ok as long as the story is good. vyvexthorne is right that you could say that everything nowadays is a ripp-off, is just that I wish Bioware would have been abit more original with the fantasy setting here. The "monsters" are like we are use to see them, a orc like creature, the story goes like: there is a Evil that threatens man kind and we need some heroes to save the world. But as I said im looking forward to playing it becouse

I love this genre.



Anyone tried Earthdawn? RPG. I love this world and fantasy setting

[The junk]

If a setting has a certain robustness and/or general acceptance, it becomes less of an issue when determining originality. (I don't think drama movies are a rip-off of some representative of a genre of films taking place in modern times, for example.) For this, it's more of an issue of character and story elements.

Edit: YDragGoth beat me to it

Modifié par The junk, 23 octobre 2009 - 06:22 .

[Arttis]

I say life is a rip off.

[EvilPistolet]

Wellwell, we will see as we play the game..

[Mesecina]

Well actually you could argue Lord of the Rings and the whole Middle Earth was a ripp-off. There have cretainly been tales of elves and dwarves and halflings (just Mr Tolkien "originally" called them hobbits) before. Actually a lot of Scandinavian mythology features some of those + dragons. But would you give Tolkien any less credit because of that?



I for one appreciate a good STORY put in somewhat familiar atmosphere. And if you think about it Bioware did use our belowed "old" fantasy world but put a twist in it - elves are no longer immortal highly respected mystical creatures but "slaves" or outcasts. Dwarven society is deeply wounded by their own greed. Darkspawn are "just" corrupted humans (well that's what the first of Darkspawn were anyway) and I could probably go on



But how you managed to deduce Grey Wardens compare to the Fellowship of the Ring is beyond me... You do understand Grey Wardens are ab institution - a sort of specialized military force right?

[JTwizzy88]

People tend to forget that Tolkien himself stole from popular short stories (high fantasy was mainstream in short stories and magazine literature during his era) and mythology (primarily Norse).