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[Renaikan]

I was just in the thread "A Real Prothean" and got this idea that maybe Quarians are direct decendants of Protheans. Both have similiar builds, and both highly advanced technically.

Quarians have been living inside enviro suits since their exile from their homeworld three centuries ago. Since then no other species have actually seen what they look like. They say they live in them to ward off disease, as their immune system is practically none existant. Maybe there is more they are not telling us? Maybe hiding who they truly are? Maybe they are Protheans. Being hunted down to extinction by the Reapers 50,000 years ago, I say it gives them good reason to hide behind these enviro suits. Any Reaper gets word a Prothean is still alive, will be hunterd down and eraticated.

Anyway, just an idea I ran across. Thoughts anyone?

Modifié par Renaikan, 19 août 2010 - 12:10 .

[Saremei]

Asari and Krogan older than 300 years old have had the chance to see Quarians without their suits. Thus there's no secret. Even the Asari Bartender comments on it.

[Randy1012]

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

Modifié par Randy1083, 19 août 2010 - 12:15 .

[AresXX7]

the whole reason for the suits, is because of two things
on their homeworld, there aren't any insects, so it weakens their immune systems - Tali explains it better in her loyalty mission (it also has to do with why they're still on the ships)
the second thing is, because of the weak immune system to begin with, living in a sterile enviroment, on the ships, has made it even weaker - hence, the need for the enviro-suits

[Renaikan]

Saremei wrote...

Asari and Krogan older than 300 years old have had the chance to see Quarians without their suits. Thus there's no secret. Even the Asari Bartender comments on it.

Good point. But 300 years is a long time though. Maybe they forgot what they look like. Also, wasn't Prothean artifacts discovered afterwards? So they never made the connection.

Modifié par Renaikan, 19 août 2010 - 12:52 .

[Renaikan]

Randy1083 wrote...

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

What makes you believe they are tall? The statues on Ilos? Maybe the staues were just showing a larger then life portrait of their true size. Much like the Lincoln monument. That stands over 10 feet tall, but we know Licoln wasn't ten feet.

Also, are you sure Protheans had 4 digits on their hand? Take a look at this Prothean husk.



Appears to me it has 3 digits on each hand, much like the Quarians.

[illerianna]

Renaikan wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

What makes you believe they are tall? The statues on Ilos? Maybe the staues were just showing a larger then life portrait of their true size. Much like the Lincoln monument. That stands over 10 feet tall, but we know Licoln wasn't ten feet.

Also, are you sure Protheans had 4 digits on their hand? Take a look at this Prothean husk.



Appears to me it has 3 digits on each hand, much like the Quarians.

That's a human husk. >_>





That is a Prothean husk.

[Renaikan]

illerianna wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

What makes you believe they are tall? The statues on Ilos? Maybe the staues were just showing a larger then life portrait of their true size. Much like the Lincoln monument. That stands over 10 feet tall, but we know Licoln wasn't ten feet.

Also, are you sure Protheans had 4 digits on their hand? Take a look at this Prothean husk.



Appears to me it has 3 digits on each hand, much like the Quarians.

That's a human husk. >_>





That is a Prothean husk.

Oops! lol Disregard my newbieness hehe

[Randy1012]

Renaikan wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

What makes you believe they are tall? The statues on Ilos? Maybe the staues were just showing a larger then life portrait of their true size. Much like the Lincoln monument. That stands over 10 feet tall, but we know Licoln wasn't ten feet.

Also, are you sure Protheans had 4 digits on their hand? Take a look at this Prothean husk.

My statements on Prothean physiology are based on this image from the Prothean beacon in ME1. Look at the Prothean hand at the bottom left corner. You can clearly see a thumb and two more fingers, and you can just make out the shadow of a fourth finger, as well.

[Renaikan]

Randy1083 wrote...

Renaikan wrote...

Randy1083 wrote...

The Protheans were a tall species with very long, thin limbs, and their hands had at least four very long fingers. So no, I don't think the quarians could possibly be Protheans or their descendants.

Plus, what Saremei said. Any asari or krogan older than three hundred years would have seen a quarian before the geth uprising.

What makes you believe they are tall? The statues on Ilos? Maybe the staues were just showing a larger then life portrait of their true size. Much like the Lincoln monument. That stands over 10 feet tall, but we know Licoln wasn't ten feet.

Also, are you sure Protheans had 4 digits on their hand? Take a look at this Prothean husk.

My statements on Prothean physiology are based on this image from the Prothean beacon in ME1. Look at the Prothean hand at the bottom left corner. You can clearly see a thumb and two more fingers, and you can just make out the shadow of a fourth finger, as well.

Nice find. I have seen that image before, but never noticed the hand at the bottom left of the image. I also notice three fingers on the statue figure (one on the left) in this image,



I figured my theory was a bit far fetched. Wouldn't it had been something though, if in ME3 a Quarian removes their mask to reveal they are, the once though to be extinct, Protheans? Ohh well.

Modifié par Renaikan, 19 août 2010 - 01:55 .

[Sajuro]

Wouldn't it have been during Shepard romancing Tali.

Shepard: -takes off mask- Holy ****!

Tali: What?

Shepard: You look like a prothean!

Tali: Yeah, I know.

Shepard: Why the f*** didn't you say anything? We were there on Illos, why didn't you just chime in?

Tali: -shrugs- I was using my suit's built in function.

Shepard: O.o

[Renaikan]

Sajuro wrote...

Wouldn't it have been during Shepard romancing Tali.
Shepard: -takes off mask- Holy ****!
Tali: What?
Shepard: You look like a prothean!
Tali: Yeah, I know.
Shepard: Why the f*** didn't you say anything? We were there on Illos, why didn't you just chime in?
Tali: -shrugs- I was using my suit's built in function.
Shepard: O.o

Nice one.

[Spartas Husky]

wow....."built in function".....wow lol

[Renaikan]

Anyway, do any of you feel we may see an actual Prothean in ME3?

[Mykel54]

The protheans are long gone, they were systematically exterminated and harvested by the reapers fifty thousands of years since mass effect takes place. No wonder that finding ruins or seemingly active technology is very rare, even more rare to find any prothean alive anywhere. It would take another prothean world like Ilos who was hidden and somehow managed to survive fifty thousand years alone from the thorought attention of the reapers, very unlikely if you ask me. The spacefaring species (this is in the ME1 codex) use the mass relays to expand around the galaxy, and their settled zones are always nearby the mass relay in question. The reapers just have to travel throught each relay to find the population centers, wipe them out, then proceed with the next one. There are no settlements hidden away long distances from the relays, but they are all reachable throught FTL speed travel. So in short i don´t think any prothean survived other than in Ilos.

[Renaikan]

The Mass Relays cover about 1 percent of the Galaxy. Most haven't been open do to fear it may lead to a hostile species. Much like what happened when they discovered the Rachni. On Ilos Vigil stated there may be other colonies, scattered through out the Galaxy, put into stasis. So maybe one or a colony is out there somewhere, that no one may know about.

[didymos1120]

Renaikan wrote...

The Mass Relays cover about 1 percent of the Galaxy.

No, that's just roughly the amount of Council space  that has been explored.  The true extent of the relay network is just plain unknown.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 août 2010 - 01:50 .

[Computer_God91]

The one thing I never really understood was why in the heck did bioware stick a collector in the prothean vision on that one side mission. They were mutated, is what EDI said. Extensive genetic rewrite, 3 less chromosomes, and other stuff. Plus with the prothean stuff we have seen the real protheans couldn't have looked like the collectors.

Here is the vision I was talking about:

Modifié par Computer_God91, 21 août 2010 - 02:02 .

[Computer_God91]

 Ok, and after you are all through being pissed, here is the vision I was talking about.

[illerianna]

Renaikan wrote...

The Mass Relays cover about 1 percent of the Galaxy. Most haven't been open do to fear it may lead to a hostile species. Much like what happened when they discovered the Rachni. On Ilos Vigil stated there may be other colonies, scattered through out the Galaxy, put into stasis. So maybe one or a colony is out there somewhere, that no one may know about.

It'd have to be a fertile world and a large colony with massive power supplies to survive for the centuries and centuries it took for the Reapers to destroy the Protheans. I would assume Ilos had a pretty strong power supply, and even then it barely had enough power to keep 12 scientists out of the 100+ staff.

It seemed to be pure dumb luck that Ilos remained hidden for all those years.

It could happen I suppose, but it would make many people facepalm if the once thought extinct Protheans appeared out of nowhere to save the day.

[KenLyns]

Quarian physiology is not a mystery. EDI mentioned that only the Collectors and Protheans had quad-strand chromosomes.

Besides, if quarians were Protheans, their technology level should be higher.  

Modifié par KenLyns, 21 août 2010 - 03:35 .

[Aedan_Cousland]

Computer_God91 wrote...

The one thing I never really understood was why in the heck did bioware stick a collector in the prothean vision on that one side mission. They were mutated, is what EDI said. Extensive genetic rewrite, 3 less chromosomes, and other stuff. Plus with the prothean stuff we have seen the real protheans couldn't have looked like the collectors.

Here is the vision I was talking about:

The vision shows both a Prothean and a Collector.  Early on in the vision you see glimpses of Protheans in agony. (they look like the statues from Ilos) Later you see the Collector. The full vision is a 'memory' of the destruction of the Prothean species, including the surviving indoctrinated Protheans being repurposed as Collectors.

[Randy1012]

The vision in the beacons was sent out by the researchers on Ilos in case any other Protheans managed to survive the Reapers. It was designed to warn any survivors--and future species--of what happened to the Protheans. It makes sense that during their research, the Prothean scientists would have found out about the Collectors and added them to their warning.

[didymos1120]

On the PC, it's easy to play the vision video files.  So I did, and took some screencaps from the ME2 one.  I just posted this recently in a similar topic, but what the hell. Anyway, there's a clear sequence of events being shown:

didymos1120 wrote...

  The very first image in the video is this:



Then we see various circuits and machinery embedded in flesh:



Then more Protheans huddling in despair:



A Shrieking Mouth:



A Reaper:



Circuits and machinery embedded in flesh redux:



And finally, Collectors:

Here's another thing I've posted before.  Take that final shot of the Collectors and also a shot from the ME1 visions, put them together and....




It's a bit visual shorthand: the Collectors emerge from and replace the Protheans.  Just don't insist on treating it too literally. The vision is there for our benefit.  It's not supposed to be what "really" happened in terms of the actual details of ME history, nor is it supposed to be a complete representation of what Shepard experiences when this stuff gets beamed into his/her brain.

Modifié par didymos1120, 21 août 2010 - 05:38 .