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[DPB]

Gerudan wrote...

It basically says, that it is completely developed for consoles and everything, that set the PC version apart from the X-Box version were discarded (no tactics, only close 3rd person camera, it says, that you even have to play the PC version with a gamepad). 

Mike Laidlaw wrote...

Point of clarity: the tactical camera for DA2 is not complete, and as
such, it is not available on the show floor, as it could potentially
crash the game/set fire to the building/destroy life as we know it. It
is, however, far enough along that we are showing it to the press, where
we can keep a fire extinguisher close at hand.

The part about having to using a gamepad is just false. We saw on the live stream that people were using keyboard and mouse to play the PC version.

[Gerudan]

Bioware (or EA) are screwing the PC version. I can hardly believe, that the X-Box version of DA sold better than the PC version, which was much better.



I mean, i have a X-Box and I play ME on it, but I clearly favored the PC version of DA over the console version and it is really sad, that Bioware seems to look at the PC version of DA 2 simply as a throwaway.

[iTomes]

Gerudan wrote...

Bioware (or EA) are screwing the PC version. I can hardly believe, that the X-Box version of DA sold better than the PC version, which was much better.

I mean, i have a X-Box and I play ME on it, but I clearly favored the PC version of DA over the console version and it is really sad, that Bioware seems to look at the PC version of DA 2 simply as a throwaway.

considering that only bout 20% were pc sales... well its no miracle theyre dumbing down the pc version...

[rexil]

Brockololly wrote...

ma.sc wrote...

GameStar DA2 Preview

I'll wait until we can maybe one day see some gameplay to really judge the game, but most of the impressions regarding the PC version out of Gamescom haven't exactly been glowing...

Yeah I gave up with those reviews they just keep disappointing me. The PC version (if it can be called "PC version") looks like it will be just a port...


Do you guys read the comments on those reviews? It's not just us (forumites) who don't like/approve those things a lot of people on the comments in every page I see say the same as us.

[Nerevar-as]

Gerudan wrote...

Bioware (or EA) are screwing the PC version. I can hardly believe, that the X-Box version of DA sold better than the PC version, which was much better.

I mean, i have a X-Box and I play ME on it, but I clearly favored the PC version of DA over the console version and it is really sad, that Bioware seems to look at the PC version of DA 2 simply as a throwaway.

Yes, I also have a hard time believing XBOX and PS3 outsold, and so much, DA:O on PC. Only 750k?  And did so many console players complain about gameplay, or are we having the Mako and Inventory from ME again? Did they think they were going to lose sales because of that?

[Brockololly]

rexil wrote...

Yeah I gave up with those reviews they just keep disappointing me. The PC version (if it can be called "PC version") looks like it will be just a port...


Do you guys read the comments on those reviews? It's not just us (forumites) who don't like/approve those things a lot of people on the comments in every page I see say the same as us.

Just the fact that they played the PC version with a 360 gamepad is odd- wouldn't that mean that basically the console's UI was made functional on the PC version? Thats probably the only BioWare PC game thats done that if its true...meh.

And yeah, the comments in most of these preview articles and on various forums have plenty of people bemoaning DA2's case of console-itis. I"m willing to see how the PC version turns out, but these articles have dampened my enthusiasm.

[rexil]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Bioware (or EA) are screwing the PC version. I can hardly believe, that the X-Box version of DA sold better than the PC version, which was much better.

I mean, i have a X-Box and I play ME on it, but I clearly favored the PC version of DA over the console version and it is really sad, that Bioware seems to look at the PC version of DA 2 simply as a throwaway.

Yes, I also have a hard time believing XBOX and PS3 outsold, and so much, DA:O on PC. Only 750k?  And did so many console players complain about gameplay, or are we having the Mako and Inventory from ME again? Did they think they were going to lose sales because of that?

I still think those numbers don't include the digital sales... Steam and D2D sold it like hot cakes, it was on the top selling list for a long time.

[Gerudan]

iTomes wrote...

considering that only bout 20% were pc sales... well its no miracle theyre dumbing down the pc version...

Was that really the case? I mean in Germany the PC is still much stronger than in the US, but everyone I know, who bought the game, got it for PC as long as he had half a descent machine to run it. 

[Nerevar-as]

rexil wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Bioware (or EA) are screwing the PC version. I can hardly believe, that the X-Box version of DA sold better than the PC version, which was much better.

I mean, i have a X-Box and I play ME on it, but I clearly favored the PC version of DA over the console version and it is really sad, that Bioware seems to look at the PC version of DA 2 simply as a throwaway.

Yes, I also have a hard time believing XBOX and PS3 outsold, and so much, DA:O on PC. Only 750k?  And did so many console players complain about gameplay, or are we having the Mako and Inventory from ME again? Did they think they were going to lose sales because of that?

I still think those numbers don't include the digital sales... Steam and D2D sold it like hot cakes, it was on the top selling list for a long time.

Were can I get your banner?

[Brockololly]

rexil wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Yes, I also have a hard time believing XBOX and PS3 outsold, and so much, DA:O on PC. Only 750k?  And did so many console players complain about gameplay, or are we having the Mako and Inventory from ME again? Did they think they were going to lose sales because of that?

I still think those numbers don't include the digital sales... Steam and D2D sold it like hot cakes, it was on the top selling list for a long time.

Well, I could believe that the 360 and PS3 combined outsold the PC, but is that a fair comparison in pitting 2 platforms against 1?

As far as sales go, only EA knows the real breakdown between platform- as Rexil mentioned, digital downloads or Steam sales are never ever reported publicly and account for a decent chunk of overall PC sales. So any numbers you see bandied about will always skew towards the console's favor...

[Ixalmaris]

Well, looks like BioWare is ruining the franchise for the console crowd. Their loss, no money from me then.

[Gerudan]

Nerevar-as wrote...

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[Nerevar-as]

Ixalmaris wrote...

Well, looks like BioWare is ruining the franchise for the console crowd. Their loss, no money from me then.

Their gain if they win more new customers than they lose. Even if a lot of people are unhappy, the success of Origins means DA2 will be successful too. Consequences wouldn´t be felt until DA3.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 août 2010 - 09:07 .

[iTomes]

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

[Gerudan]

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

The more you have to change in the PC version, the more it costs, so they develop it for consoles and simply port it for the PC without big changes. 

[Nerevar-as]

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

Cheaper and simpler than doing 2 more different versions. They are not a company that goes to give the best possible game for each platform, if they ever were, although here I´m assuming it is reasonably feasible.

[rexil]

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

This.

I don't see any problem in giving the console players a better product but it really has to affect that much the PC version? Can't we get our nice things and they get their nice things?

[Ixalmaris]

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

Bioware is doing nothing for the console market, they are just doing less for the PC version to save money as you can read in one of the linked interviews.

Here the summary of several german reports (gamers, not magazines) from the gamecon.
- Graphic: Ugly, lacks textures, worse than DA:O
- Character building: Limited
- Combat: Action only, no strategy, no zoom
- Dalogues: Dumbed down (ME wheel with additional symbols)

So either Bioware decided to show the "extra bad" version of the game or they simply decided to forget the PC and concentrate on consoles.

Modifié par Ixalmaris, 20 août 2010 - 09:19 .

[Nerevar-as]

Gerudan wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Were can I get your banner?

Right click -> image properties -> address?  

Thanks. Working on puttin it in place.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 août 2010 - 09:25 .

[rexil]

Ixalmaris wrote...

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

Bioware is doing nothing for the console market, they are just doing less for the PC version to save money as you can read in one of the linked interviews.

Here the summary of several german reports (gamers, not magazines) from the gamecon.
- Graphic: Ugly, lacks textures, worse than DA:O
- Character building: Limited
- Combat: Action only, no strategy, no zoom
- Dalogues: Dumbed down (ME wheel with additional symbols)

So either Bioware decided to show the "extra bad" version of the game or they simply decided to forget the PC and concentrate on consoles.

The german reviews are the ones we need to read since the PC market is more strong there, it's natural they will have a better and more critically look at the PC version first.

[quicksilver_502]

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

i'm pretty sure its bad developers who release sequals that are exactly the same as the first game. also, as far as i can see, the complaints over 'dumbing down' have all been misunderstandings that most seem happy to belive without checking: the tactical camera, varrics introduction, the auto-attack bug. 

i just think if people got a little less offended and disgruntled and actually, you know, found out some of the facts, there would be a lot less bile on this forum.

[rexil]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Were can I get your banner?

Right click -> image properties -> address?  

Thanks. Working on puttin it in place.

Modifié par rexil, 20 août 2010 - 09:35 .

[Ixalmaris]

quicksilver_502 wrote...

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

i'm pretty sure its bad developers who release sequals that are exactly the same as the first game. also, as far as i can see, the complaints over 'dumbing down' have all been misunderstandings that most seem happy to belive without checking: the tactical camera, varrics introduction, the auto-attack bug. 

i just think if people got a little less offended and disgruntled and actually, you know, found out some of the facts, there would be a lot less bile on this forum.

Of course....
Everything is just a misunderstanding.
No, that they at first said that they will not add a tactical camera and then quickly retracted it and changed to "its not finished yet" when they were surprised that people actualy complain is completely normal.
Never trust a developer when they say that a feature is "just not finished yet".
And that the dialogue system is dumbed down is obvious. The icons for the type of answer alone show that.

[Nerevar-as]

quicksilver_502 wrote...

iTomes wrote...

that bioware is doing something for the console market is perfectly fine with me. at least, they paid for the game and they do deserve a good game with good controls. what i cant understand is why the HELL they are dumbing down the pc version when they already had a good one. i mean, its not like it needs to be changed at all....

i'm pretty sure its bad developers who release sequals that are exactly the same as the first game. also, as far as i can see, the complaints over 'dumbing down' have all been misunderstandings that most seem happy to belive without checking: the tactical camera, varrics introduction, the auto-attack bug. 

i just think if people got a little less offended and disgruntled and actually, you know, found out some of the facts, there would be a lot less bile on this forum.

I´m aware of that. There has been some good damage control over here. There also shouldn´t have been need for it if they hadn´t shown what seems to be pre beta version.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 août 2010 - 09:34 .

[Nerevar-as]

rexil wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Gerudan wrote...

Nerevar-as wrote...

Were can I get your banner?

Right click -> image properties -> address?  

Thanks. Working on puttin it in place.

Do it like this

Thanks a lot.

Modifié par Nerevar-as, 20 août 2010 - 09:36 .