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[slikster]

Nerevar-as wrote...

filetemo wrote...

the only people who doesn't download games for free is because they aren't savvy enough to know how to do it, how to apply a crack and so on.That's why console gamers pirate less.
And according to internet forums, there's a 0.00001% of righteous gamers who buy games because they "really want to support the industry"

OK, either you are sarcastic or you just said we are either thieves or stupid (PC player here, by the way).

THANKS A LOT.

Actually, I think he just admitted that he was a waste of skin. an ardent pirate.

[DragonRageGT]

Estel78 wrote...

Fact is it is easier to pirate on PC than on consoles, you download the game, install a crack and that's basically it. On XBox 360 you have to modify the console itself, which is not that hard, granted, but it's still something not everyone is comfortable with, plus there are always the odds that you get caught which results in you getting banned from XBox Live. As far as i know it's even more of a hassle on the PS3.

You'd be surprised how many people have 2 XBox-360. It's actually cheap if you consider what they are saving by buying very cheap games i/o full priced games for that plataform.

You can repeat all you want that pirating also happens on consoles, it doesn't change the fact that publishers make the bulk of their money from console sales or else they would not have made consoles their lead SKU, companies go where the money is. It would be wrong to solely blame pirates for that but they definitely factor in. The main reason, though, is simply that nowadays people are predominantly using consoles for their gaming, at least in the western world (and Japan). You either accept that or not (and waste time whining about it on the internet).

I definitely agree with you here. The main reason is simply that as you stated. And "illegal free d/l" has just nothing to do with that, no matter what tunneled vision people say. It is just the big bucks of the "justin bieber" audience that they are after. For a Major Label player like EA it is not surprising at all.

What I doubt is that Bioware would go "the way of the audience" had they kept themselves as free independent thinkers instead of being bought by EA. After all, they own their reputation to the PC game market. While other companies have always being developing games for consoles, And I ain't whinning about that. I'm just stating what I see as facts. While I'll never own a console (too old for that), I can only count on the hope that there will still be great game developers that will give us, PC gamers, great games. (with a hell lot more resources and possibilities than they will ever have in a console =P)

Oh, forgot, and it does seem to me a market move too. Like, they're getting big bucks from console manufacturers to push a few console sales based on the fact that the game is now "console oriented". Pretty much like they all did when releasing a game that would force us to purchase new hardware to keep up with graphics "improvements" (like NWN2, yeah, right!)

Modifié par RageGT, 21 août 2010 - 08:29 .

[Nicnacman]

Three hours ago, i played Dragon Age 2 at Germanys Gamescom.



I think it's a lot more a Console Game than the first one. Good for me, XBox 360 is my system.

Combat is very fast and very bloody. You cut the darkspawn in half. There is a lot of fire and blood on the screen during a battle. It's great, but it's different from Dragon Age Origins. It's faster and the feeling is different. But it's a lot of fun and will be a very good game.



While playing a combat situation i had a feeling it's like playing the Game called Devil may cry.



After playing the demo, i like Dragon Age 2 a lot. Can't wait for march next year.

[DragonRageGT]

And when I say games for the PC that no console will ever match, I mean this!

hangmans tree wrote...

*SPEACHLESS*
- 16 endings
- 3 ways to start the game depending on your save from 1st game!
- Instead of 700 loading screens we will get...FOUR!
- Armour: customisable consisting of 30 pieces which can be tuned to ones liking...
- 256 movie sequeences (2,5 hours)
- new sign, now 6 total.
- stealth action, and infra/lowlight -vision
- hot-damn, best looking RPG I've ever seen :]

new face
full list of screens:
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-36.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-37.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-38.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-39.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-40.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-41.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-42.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-43.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-44.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-45.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-46.jpg
I hope...

[MoneyDeluxe]

RageGT wrote...

And when I say games for the PC that no console will ever match, I mean this!

hangmans tree wrote...

*SPEACHLESS*
- 16 endings
- 3 ways to start the game depending on your save from 1st game!
- Instead of 700 loading screens we will get...FOUR!
- Armour: customisable consisting of 30 pieces which can be tuned to ones liking...
- 256 movie sequeences (2,5 hours)
- new sign, now 6 total.
- stealth action, and infra/lowlight -vision
- hot-damn, best looking RPG I've ever seen :]

new face
full list of screens:
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-36.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-37.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-38.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-39.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-40.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-41.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-42.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-43.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-44.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-45.jpg
http://www.otofotki....reenshot-46.jpg
I hope...

Awww If only I could play the first Witcher on my Windows 7 PC without constant black screen crashes.
Emulating XP or Vista isn't helping nor scaling of the graphic settings it's truly a shame.

[Rixxencaxx]

Nicnacman wrote...

Three hours ago, i played Dragon Age 2 at Germanys Gamescom.

I think it's a lot more a Console Game than the first one. Good for me, XBox 360 is my system.
Combat is very fast and very bloody. You cut the darkspawn in half. There is a lot of fire and blood on the screen during a battle. It's great, but it's different from Dragon Age Origins. It's faster and the feeling is different. But it's a lot of fun and will be a very good game.

While playing a combat situation i had a feeling it's like playing the Game called Devil may cry.

After playing the demo, i like Dragon Age 2 a lot. Can't wait for march next year.

ahahahahhaha devil may cry.....Good luck for your future Bioware...you will need it after march.....

[Estel78]

Dragon Age1103 wrote...

  I can't agree with the graphics comment at all. The only reason most consoles games are even close to their PC version in visuals is b/c PC got a cheap poorly made port.  Plus some devs do ignore 1 or even 2 of the other markets. If the game has fun core mechanics & is just well rounded overall it will sell. Examples being most of the work Blizzard & Valve have done. Yes Valve still touches on consoles but I doubt they need to with PC sales.
    My entire point is DA II looks very interesting & I think it will be a good game just not even close to the level that DA:O reached. The new ME2 rip off communication-dialogue system will destroy DA II from the start. It won't make it a bad game but it will make it impossible to reach the same depth as DA:O. I am not a fan of the bright-cartoony-anime ary style but I will have to learn to like it. Entire point being they have changed too much. KotOR is one of my favorite games of all time along with BG II & Morrowind. None of those titles had voice overs for the main characterc b/c real gamers( pc gamers yeah i just said that lol) have a little thing called imagination & don't need a bunch of disc space being wasted with voice overs that drastically limit the dialogue options. It is a shame how much less of an RPG DA II will be compared to the first but this is what the majority of "gamers" want today. MW2, constant remakes that feel just like mW2, a new madden every year that is the same game but they still buy, & RPGs that play themselves involving as little reading or thinking as possible.
   We'll always have DA:O!!!!

Blizzard has the WoW cash cow and the only game they have done since years is Starcraft 2 which, being an RST, doesn't lend itself well to consoles. While it is selling great it pales in comparison to the biggest console hits. I believe you're wrong about Valve. Again, they have done almost nothing in years with the exception of Left for Dead (and the Orange Box compilation prior to that) and that is selling like hotcakes on the consoles.

I disagree with you about player character voice overs. Making your character an active participant in dialogs (instead of the silent protagonist) is a good thing. It does not necessarily lead to limited dialog options or a lesser RPG and preferring it has nothing to do with a lack of imagination or IQ. Games are an audio visual medium, if you wanna imagine things read a book.

Do you have something on your eyes? Bright, cartoony, anime art style? That's not what i see when i look at screenshots for DA2.

PC gamers being the real gamers? A joke.

[DragonRageGT]

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

Awww If only I could play the first Witcher on my Windows 7 PC without constant black screen crashes.
Emulating XP or Vista isn't helping nor scaling of the graphic settings it's truly a shame.

I play on Win 7 64-bit and I have no crashes whatsoever. Are you playing the Enhanced Edition? Did you get patch 1.5?

[Nerevar-as]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

Nicnacman wrote...

Three hours ago, i played Dragon Age 2 at Germanys Gamescom.

I think it's a lot more a Console Game than the first one. Good for me, XBox 360 is my system.
Combat is very fast and very bloody. You cut the darkspawn in half. There is a lot of fire and blood on the screen during a battle. It's great, but it's different from Dragon Age Origins. It's faster and the feeling is different. But it's a lot of fun and will be a very good game.

While playing a combat situation i had a feeling it's like playing the Game called Devil may cry.

After playing the demo, i like Dragon Age 2 a lot. Can't wait for march next year.

ahahahahhaha devil may cry.....Good luck for your future Bioware...you will need it after march.....

Someone has not been reading dev posts. Well, they brought this upon themselves on their own.
If they don´t change the system as they are saying they won´t, I wonder what players who will buy the game from what they are showing so far will think.
If they do, really, there are a lot of "DMCs" out there. Why can´t there be place for games as DA:O?

[MoneyDeluxe]

RageGT wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

Awww If only I could play the first Witcher on my Windows 7 PC without constant black screen crashes.
Emulating XP or Vista isn't helping nor scaling of the graphic settings it's truly a shame.

I play on Win 7 64-bit and I have no crashes whatsoever. Are you playing the Enhanced Edition? Did you get patch 1.5?

Yes, and it is patched.Regardless after a short time of playing and at certain points in the game the screen turns black and I get an error that my desktop had to be reset.I can only gues it has to be the graphic drivers but I don't have this error with any other game old or new.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Gerudan wrote...
That is nonsense, since the game can't know, how I would want my hero to mean it. 

Why does the game need to know?

[Estel78]

RageGT wrote...

You'd be surprised how many people have 2 XBox-360. It's actually cheap if you consider what they are saving by buying very cheap games i/o full priced games for that plataform.

Or you could just rent a game for a few bucks.

RageGT wrote...

I definitely agree with you here. The main reason is simply that as you stated. And "illegal free d/l" has just nothing to do with that, no matter what tunneled vision people say. It is just the big bucks of the "justin bieber" audience that they are after. For a Major Label player like EA it is not surprising at all.

I never said pirates have nothing to do with dwindling PC game sales, just that it would be wrong to solely make them responsible.

"justin bieber" audience? Stop generalizing. Too old for consoles? Please... I bought my first console with 29. Again, consoles are the predominant gaming form, people old and young are utilizing them.

[Nerevar-as]

Estel78 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

You'd be surprised how many people have 2 XBox-360. It's actually cheap if you consider what they are saving by buying very cheap games i/o full priced games for that plataform.

Or you could just rent a game for a few bucks.

Wouldn´t the second hand policy most companies are taking hit this too?

[MoneyDeluxe]

Nerevar-as wrote...

Estel78 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

You'd be surprised how many people have 2 XBox-360. It's actually cheap if you consider what they are saving by buying very cheap games i/o full priced games for that plataform.

Or you could just rent a game for a few bucks.

Wouldn´t the second hand policy most companies are taking hit this too?

That's why you won't find "Steam platform only" games in a video store.

[Quercus]

Ok, been at gamescom yesterday, and ofcause played DA2.

I played the PC version, since I played DAO on the pc as well.



First I was sceptical about the new action orientated combat they introduced, but after testing it for my self I've been quite surprised, cause it actually played pretty good. The fast responsive gameplay and the fluid animations gives you quite the 'Whoa' effect. It's more focused towards action but the hotkeys still remain, which gives you more an evolved kinda DAO combat gameplay.



I was also quite sceptical about the dialogue wheel, and my fears have become true. It's crap to put it bluntly. Now instead of going the mass effect way of picking the path of the 'upper' goody shoes, or the 'middle' neutral, or the 'lower' madcat dialogue options all the way through the game.

We now can choose to run the game through as either 'upper' goody shoes, 'middle' sarcastic dudle, 'lower' grumpy smurf.

It's more a personality choice now rather then a karma choice if you compare it to mass effect.

So don't expect much RPG quality choices like in DAO.



Well, it's still an early demo, so I guess you can take this with a small grain of salt.

But so far the combat looks great and the dialogue crap.

[Estel78]

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

Awww If only I could play the first Witcher on my Windows 7 PC without constant black screen crashes.
Emulating XP or Vista isn't helping nor scaling of the graphic settings it's truly a shame.

That is exactly the reason why consoles have become so popular, no software/hardware issues.

[DPB]

Shiroukai wrote...
I was also quite sceptical about the dialogue wheel, and my fears have become true. It's crap to put it bluntly. Now instead of going the mass effect way of picking the path of the 'upper' goody shoes, or the 'middle' neutral, or the 'lower' madcat dialogue options all the way through the game.
We now can choose to run the game through as either 'upper' goody shoes, 'middle' sarcastic dudle, 'lower' grumpy smurf.
It's more a personality choice now rather then a karma choice if you compare it to mass effect.
So don't expect much RPG quality choices like in DAO.

The developers have said that there are more tone options than that, it just happens that those are the only ones in the demo. You won't be restricted to choosing between those three tones in every conversation.

[MoneyDeluxe]

Shiroukai wrote...
I was also quite sceptical about the dialogue wheel, and my fears have become true. It's crap to put it bluntly. Now instead of going the mass effect way of picking the path of the 'upper' goody shoes, or the 'middle' neutral, or the 'lower' madcat dialogue options all the way through the game.
We now can choose to run the game through as either 'upper' goody shoes, 'middle' sarcastic dudle, 'lower' grumpy smurf.
It's more a personality choice now rather then a karma choice if you compare it to mass effect.
So don't expect much RPG quality choices like in DAO.
.

That's slighlty off track there when you look behind the scenes how the DA1 dialog actually worked, in recent threads the Devs elaborated on both the new and old Dialog system.
And it turns out what you thought was a large variety of choices in every given dialogue in the first game only amounts to a  few key ones with added "flavor"  ones that have the same result but give the player the feel of roleplaying.
Since the Voice Over dialog system can no longer "bluff" dozens of dialog choices since they have to record them all, instead it only presents you the key choices you only had anyway even in the first but add a hidden personality meter that adds extra dialog flavour depending on which dominant trait you have acted upon up to that moment.

Sounds complicated so you can read up on that here:
http://social.biowar...ex/4488685&lf=8

http://social.biowar...ex/4498054&lf=8

Estel78 wrote...
That is exactly the reason why consoles have become so popular, no software/hardware issues.

Meh, The Witcher is quite known to be harsh on some systems and it's the only game I have experienced such issues so far.

Modifié par MoneyDeluxe, 21 août 2010 - 09:24 .

[Estel78]

Shiroukai wrote...

I was also quite sceptical about the dialogue wheel, and my fears have become true. It's crap to put it bluntly. Now instead of going the mass effect way of picking the path of the 'upper' goody shoes, or the 'middle' neutral, or the 'lower' madcat dialogue options all the way through the game.
We now can choose to run the game through as either 'upper' goody shoes, 'middle' sarcastic dudle, 'lower' grumpy smurf.

So you're basing that on a few dialog examples in the demo?

And you could basically say that for every RPG, including DAO. Basically in every dialog in every RPG it boils down to the goody two shoes option(s), the more neutral option(s) and the mean/evil option(s).

Not to mention that devs have stated that there won't be just 3 options for every dialog but up to five i think, plus another five on the other side for investigation options.

Modifié par Estel78, 21 août 2010 - 09:27 .

[DragonRageGT]

Estel78 wrote...

RageGT wrote...

I definitely agree with you here. The main reason is simply that as you stated. And "illegal free d/l" has just nothing to do with that, no matter what tunneled vision people say. It is just the big bucks of the "justin bieber" audience that they are after. For a Major Label player like EA it is not surprising at all.

I never said pirates have nothing to do with dwindling PC game sales, just that it would be wrong to solely make them responsible.

"justin bieber" audience? Stop generalizing. Too old for consoles? Please... I bought my first console with 29. Again, consoles are the predominant gaming form, people old and young are utilizing them.

Well, they shouldn't be make responsible at all. Solely or not. It is a business decision that has nothing to do with free download, unless they make it console exclusive. I'd say Red Dead Redemption is one case where this is true. But not because if there were a PC version, the free download would hurt them. It is just that some people (like the devs in this case) HATES how other people take something for granted even if it doesn't affect them financially.

You know, just like some driver will block the way of another driver that is trying to change lanes and forgot to signilize it? They would lose nothing but some 10 seconds of their travel time if they made way but they will never let someone cut them. "It's outrageous that someone would even try".

EDIT: Forgot this: I didn't say that all console owners are in the "justin bieber"audience category. Do read what I wrote without twisting it. I said that that is the audience that gives them the big bucks, even if older gamers own consoles and purchase the game too. They are a minority. It is not generalization. I'm not putting everyone inside that bag. But there is such an audience, "that's the way of the audience" as he said, and they are after that.

Selling to other gamers, other ages, other audience, other plataform is just a bonus. I am 46 and I am too confortable with my PC to change. Also because I multi-task and would not ever be able to stay still playing with a console.

Modifié par RageGT, 21 août 2010 - 09:32 .

[DragonRageGT]

slimgrin wrote...

Shiroukai wrote...


But so far the combat looks great and the dialogue crap.

This just keeps getting better and better.

My thoughts exactly... =/

[DragonRageGT]

Estel78 wrote...

MoneyDeluxe wrote...

Awww If only I could play the first Witcher on my Windows 7 PC without constant black screen crashes.
Emulating XP or Vista isn't helping nor scaling of the graphic settings it's truly a shame.

That is exactly the reason why consoles have become so popular, no software/hardware issues.

All he needs is update the drivers and hopefully he has a GeForce card! =)

[Brockololly]

As far as the dialogue goes though its really all in how its presented- if its all color coded and simplified with the emotion indicators it may seem to give the impression that its dumbed down even if its no different than Origins. But that impression sticks. I have no doubt the actual written dialogue will be good in DA2, but like Awakening, I have my doubts how the actual dialogue system will be implemented.