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[andar91]

slimgrin wrote...

Graphics sound like they may be cell shaded.

I really thought they were going to be showing some gameplay from Gamescom.

I thought the dialogue screenshot with Hawke and Bethany looked slightly cell-shaded, but I doubt it's in your face that much.  One impression I saw said that they had to squint and look really close to see a hint of cell shading.  I don't think it's a bad thing, really, I like the way it looked (judging by that screenshot, at least).  It's not like it's entirely cell-shaded.

[Brockololly]

Its hard to judge the game based on the screenshots as it seems everyone thats actually played the game says it looks different in motion versus the screens. Its just a personal dislike of mine with cel-shading- more often than not it ends up looking too gimicky. I'd just hate to see DA resort to visual gimmicks like cel-shading when Origins went for the more realistic look, which on PC at least worked fairly good I thought.

[andar91]

We'll have to wait for more images, but I honestly like the way the game looks. Again, I can only go off of what we've seen, which isn't much. I can't imagine they'll make it look that bad, even if they use some cell-shading. The keyword being "some".

[DragonRageGT]

I love ME and ME2 but for one thing they have and I really really hate in both games. A fraking wheel for dialogues! *sighs* But at least it is a sci-fi game.



Now, you're playing a sword&cape type of game with a fraking wheel in the middle of the screen? What kind of stupid interface is that? Can we have at least hotkeys to choose the dialogue option?



And about the graphics, well, can console players tell it is a step back from DA:O? Because they never had the same quality as the PC version anyway. Since that's the audience they're targeting, if they don't mind it, screw the PC version too so they don't need more textures for the aerial view!



BTW, what is cel-shading and can you guys give me an example, like some game that uses it?

[FedericoV]

RageGT wrote...

Now, you're playing a sword&cape type of game with a fraking wheel in the middle of the screen? What kind of stupid interface is that? Can we have at least hotkeys to choose the dialogue option?

While I support voice over over silent protagonist, I do agree that a wheel ME's style do not fit a fantasy setting. I hope that they will tailor the appereance of the wheel and the icon in the middle to the fantasy setting DA is supposed to be.

[Brockololly]

slimgrin wrote...

I really thought they were going to be showing some gameplay from Gamescom.

Yeah, me too. Rather disappointing that the only gameplay you could sort of see was on the first day they had the stream running. But it was all blurry.

RageGT wrote...

BTW, what is cel-shading and can you guys give me an example, like some game that uses it?

Cel-shading basically makes games look more hand drawn or more comic book-ish. The most recent game I can think of that was cel-shaded was Borderlands or the 2008 Prince of Persia game.

Examples:







 

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 août 2010 - 03:50 .

[Nerevar-as]

PoP was beautiful...which was a good thing as most of the game jumping looking at the landscapes was the only interesting thing to do. Then UBISOFT also decided no epilogue for PC .

The screens we´ve seen so far don´t look so cellshaded, but from some comments it might be worse with movement. Just hope thay don´t mess with the atmosphere. The old art style was quite fitting for the sad tone the world had. This...I don´t know. The DS redesign doesn´t give me good vibes, now they don´t scare at all.

[Rixxencaxx]

Estel78 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

what is your point? 

My point was that consoles are where the big bucks are, which is why companies are making them the priority. Had you read my posts you would have known what my point is.

well in respect to console action rpg  dao 2 quality is very low. So stripping the elements that made dao different from the other console rpg  will results in lower sales. Positive comments about dragon age 2 screens are very rare on the internet.
We only need to wait till march 2011 and see how may copies of the game will be sold.
However after taking a look at witcher's gameplay videos i have definitely dropped the idea to buy dao 2.
Same price lower quality.

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 22 août 2010 - 04:29 .

[Estel78]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

well in respect to console action rpg  dao 2 quality is very low. So stripping the elements that made dao different from the other console rpg  will results in lower sales. Positive comments about dragon age 2 screens are very rare on the internet.
We only need to wait till march 2011 and see how may copies of the game will be sold.
However after taking a look at witcher's gameplay videos i have definitely dropped the idea to buy dao 2.
Same price lower quality.

Which other action RPGs are you referring to?

As far as we know, they are NOT stripping elements, at least not from the console version. They are striving to make combat more immediate and reactive but it is still party combat with tactical choices, where you issue commands and pause the game. Besides, what other action RPG has such a strong focus on story and dialogs? THAT is what sets Bioware RPGs apart.

All we can be pretty sure of as of know is that Witcher 2 will have better graphics. So, are you saying you're a graphic ****? It's not like we get an abundance of good RPGs every year, i for one will buy both games since i'm pretty positive that both will be great games, judging by their previous work.

Modifié par Estel78, 22 août 2010 - 04:59 .

[FedericoV]

Rixxencaxx wrote...

well in respect to console action rpg  dao 2 quality is very low.

Maybe we should see the final product before judging the quality of DA2's graphic since it's still in development and devs allready stated that the game will look better at the end.

So stripping the elements that made dao different from the other console rpg  will results in lower sales.

Based on? I'm not a graphic **** but you know: the main critic that DA:O's graphic have received since launch from fans and reviewers alike was that the game looks generic (and I do agree about that). Now, DA:O looked distinct... I think that it's hard to develop games since you will never please anyone. But DA:O do not sell well because of its graphic or its gameplay. DA:O sold well because of its storytelling mostly (and marketing off course).

Positive comments about dragon age 2 screens are very rare on the internet.

I've read any review so far and 90% of them praised the graphic. What are you talking about?

We only need to wait till march 2011 and see how may copies of the game will be sold.
However after taking a look at witcher's gameplay videos i have definitely dropped the idea to buy dao 2.
Same price lower quality.

While I hope the best for TW2 and CD Red it's not fair to compare a multiplatform title with a game developed only on PC, at least in terms of graphic (should not mention gameplay since TW was retarded in term of gameplay and it wasn't its strenght... maybe TW2 will be better but honestly I doubt so from what I've read). Considering the past record of both company in terms of quality, I'm not sure that TW2 will be better than DA2 in terms of quality and polish. Than, maybe after 6 months CD red will release a mega patch of zilion of bytes and market it as an "enhanced edition" and the game will be better. Having said that, those fights between titles are pretty lame. Being a CRPG gamer I will play them both and hope that in the future there will be more successfull rpg franchises on the market, not less.

[In Exile]

FedericoV wrote...

While I support voice over over silent protagonist, I do agree that a wheel ME's style do not fit a fantasy setting. I hope that they will tailor the appereance of the wheel and the icon in the middle to the fantasy setting DA is supposed to be.

Indeed, because box of text that blocked off half the screen was quite consistent with the fantasy style. My fondest memory of LoTR was when Frodo spoke to Bilbo and JRRT described how the text box took up half the screen.

[blueshepard]

Different - more action, still dark, great voice acting for Garrett Already love it

[FedericoV]

In Exile wrote...

FedericoV wrote...

While I support voice over over silent protagonist, I do agree that a wheel ME's style do not fit a fantasy setting. I hope that they will tailor the appereance of the wheel and the icon in the middle to the fantasy setting DA is supposed to be.

Indeed, because box of text that blocked off half the screen was quite consistent with the fantasy style. My fondest memory of LoTR was when Frodo spoke to Bilbo and JRRT described how the text box took up half the screen.

Quite ironic. I'm only saying that while I agree with VO and I have no problem with the wheel, I hope that the wheel could be drawn in a way that fits the setting since ME wheel won't for me. Not a great problem of course.

[Bryy_Miller]

I think people are saying the graphics look cell shaded because they are brighter. Which is not the same thing at all.

[Thicos]

where are the videos of gameplay?

[andar91]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I think people are saying the graphics look cell shaded because they are brighter. Which is not the same thing at all.

This doesn't look cell-shaded to you at all?
http://eatplayhate.f...10/07/da2-4.jpg

The thing is, I like the way it looks.  To me, it looks slightly cell-shaded, but it isn't overwhelming.

Modifié par andar91, 22 août 2010 - 07:54 .

[Mornmagor]

I actually liked the graphics on cell shaded games,i don't mind if they did that,but it didn't seem to me cell shaded at all.

[jazzy B 3]

I think the cell-shaded comments comes from an apparent lack of subtlty in the shading of characters. To me it looks like a lot of graphical shaders have yet to be applied. They can make a massive difference in the presentation. I'm probably wrong, but thatt is how the screens seem to me.

[Nerevar-as]

That image is ahlfway cellshade and the style from Origins. Have to see it in movement.

[Brockololly]

Thicos wrote...

where are the videos of gameplay?

None to be had, I'm afraid...

andar91 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I think people are saying the graphics look cell shaded because they are brighter. Which is not the same thing at all.

images/spacer.gifimages/spacer.gifThis doesn't look cell-shaded to you at all?
http://eatplayhate.f...10/07/da2-4.jpg

The thing is, I like the way it looks.  To me, it looks slightly cell-shaded, but it isn't overwhelming.images/spacer.gifimages/spacer.gifimages/spacer.gifimages/spacer.gif

The thing that strikes me about that shot isn't any obvious cel-shading really, but the horrible, blocky looking textures on Hawke's sword and armor. And Bethany has purple hair...

But like many have said, the new art style and any possible cel-shading will likely be more evident when you see the game in motion, for better or worse...

Modifié par Brockololly, 22 août 2010 - 08:00 .

[Bryy_Miller]

andar91 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I think people are saying the graphics look cell shaded because they are brighter. Which is not the same thing at all.

This doesn't look cell-shaded to you at all?
http://eatplayhate.f...10/07/da2-4.jpg\

No. I honestly don't see how the comparison can be made. 

[Rixxencaxx]

FedericoV wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

well in respect to console action rpg  dao 2 quality is very low.

Maybe we should see the final product before judging the quality of DA2's graphic since it's still in development and devs allready stated that the game will look better at the end.

So stripping the elements that made dao different from the other console rpg  will results in lower sales.

Based on? I'm not a graphic **** but you know: the main critic that DA:O's graphic have received since launch from fans and reviewers alike was that the game looks generic (and I do agree about that). Now, DA:O looked distinct... I think that it's hard to develop games since you will never please anyone. But DA:O do not sell well because of its graphic or its gameplay. DA:O sold well because of its storytelling mostly (and marketing off course).

Positive comments about dragon age 2 screens are very rare on the internet.

I've read any review so far and 90% of them praised the graphic. What are you talking about?

We only need to wait till march 2011 and see how may copies of the game will be sold.
However after taking a look at witcher's gameplay videos i have definitely dropped the idea to buy dao 2.
Same price lower quality.

While I hope the best for TW2 and CD Red it's not fair to compare a multiplatform title with a game developed only on PC, at least in terms of graphic (should not mention gameplay since TW was retarded in term of gameplay and it wasn't its strenght... maybe TW2 will be better but honestly I doubt so from what I've read). Considering the past record of both company in terms of quality, I'm not sure that TW2 will be better than DA2 in terms of quality and polish. Than, maybe after 6 months CD red will release a mega patch of zilion of bytes and market it as an "enhanced edition" and the game will be better. Having said that, those fights between titles are pretty lame. Being a CRPG gamer I will play them both and hope that in the future there will be more successfull rpg franchises on the market, not less.

Well...

1)Since they decided to show the game, or at least a bunch of screenshots i am free to judge them. In fact they decided not to show gameplay videos cause they fear their potential customer's reaction.

2)When i talk about people reaction over the internet i am referring to people who judge screens, i am referring to customers not to media. However if you target consoles as your main market you have to know that console owners care a lot about graphics. The first dao was a success on consoles cause despite its low quality graphics was an orignal product. I am not so sure that console owners wants that dao 2 gets "consolized"

3)You have not seen the most recent gameplay videos  of tw2  with developers comments (take a look at gametrailers) tw2 is a non linear game with good story and stellar graphics...and this time a party too.

In the end i know that a lot of people wants to believe that in the end the game will look better, but i'm pretty sure that this is not a Bioware priority. Thet already said that the low quality of environment  is an artistic choice  that bring focus on characters (that incindentally save a lot of money and time)  and so it will not change. However it's not my intention to change your mind....i am no more interested in this game neither in this thread.
Just one more thing...after a huge game event you expect to see a lot of activity on the forum of the game....but after the absence of gameplay videos the acrivity on the forum is very low.....bad thing from a marketing point of view....

Modifié par Rixxencaxx, 22 août 2010 - 08:20 .

[Rixxencaxx]

Estel78 wrote...

Rixxencaxx wrote...

well in respect to console action rpg  dao 2 quality is very low. So stripping the elements that made dao different from the other console rpg  will results in lower sales. Positive comments about dragon age 2 screens are very rare on the internet.
We only need to wait till march 2011 and see how may copies of the game will be sold.
However after taking a look at witcher's gameplay videos i have definitely dropped the idea to buy dao 2.
Same price lower quality.

So, are you saying you're a graphic ****? It's not like we get an abundance of good RPGs every year, i for one will buy both games since i'm pretty positive that both will be great games, judging by their previous work.

Mine is a deliberate choice not to reward a company that shifted focus to more commercial themes that are not of my interest.
I don't want to reward a company that is trying to sell a low quality product  (imho).
i have decided not to buy bioware games anymore since i have seen the last crap dragon age dlcs.
in the end
Bye

[andar91]

Bryy_Miller wrote...

andar91 wrote...

Bryy_Miller wrote...

I think people are saying the graphics look cell shaded because they are brighter. Which is not the same thing at all.

This doesn't look cell-shaded to you at all?
http://eatplayhate.f...10/07/da2-4.jpg\

No. I honestly don't see how the comparison can be made. 

Ok.  I see it, but I guess I'm seeing something others aren't.  Maybe the others are right and they haven't put the lighting effects in or something.  *shrug*  Still looks good to me (the faces, not the clothes/armor).