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Have you played Dragon Age 2 at Gamescom? Post your opinions here!


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And this makes her opinions less valid, how?

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I wish we had more impressions from people that PLAYED the game in this thread :P BUt that's me

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Dragon Age - Awakening - The 4000 Dmg Girl Razor's Edge Image IPB

Beat that, Lady Hack... err... Hawke!

I love RPG's where we can jump, swimm, climb, cook, forge and hone our weapons, hunt our food, sleep in beds, sit in chairs, get drunk, brew our beer and potions, fall off a cliff, skin animals, extract their teeth, claws, mandibules, wings, poison sacks, do some workout with heavy lifting weights (like a huge grindstone), just like the Gothics and Risen.

The best news about The Witcher 2 I've read is that we'll play in a open world, it is not an action-rpg but an hardcore rpg-rpg and we can jump, no more loading screens to enter a house or inn or whatever.

The one gripe I have with BW games is exactly the impossibility to jump and the walls made to make me think like cattle. (If that makes any sense. Couldn't find the proper English for what I mean).

But a button or keyboard key for a jump attack... sounds awful. If it is a skill, it is totally different and a lot better.

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ME2 more so than ME1? Do explain.

I find the paraphrase options on the dialogue wheel are better written in ME2, so Shepard is less likely to act in a way that breaks her character.

ME1 did this several times for every hour of gameplay.  In ME2 I've only really noticed it in conversations with the Illusive Man, and I think that's the result of an inconsistently applied paragon-renegade system.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Of course it's my fault if I make a character I can't identify with. That's why I try not to make characters that I can't identify with. I could never for instance play as a Sith in KotoR. I never manage anything much darker than paragade in ME. However, I have still been able to play with characters of many different personality types and with varying motivations.

I wasn't really able to roleplay in ME at all, but I will say that the voice-over severely limited my personality options.  I can't even imagine a character I would want to play suiting the voice of MaleShep.

Sometimes I roleplay more as less as you describe, by designing a character and guiding them through a world according to a preset personality.

Right, this is pretty much all I do, and if a game doesn't permit this then I don't think it's an RPG.

Sometimes I pretty much interject myself into RPGs because I appreciate the morality dilemmas they present me with (the good ones anyway).

This one I can't do because I don't beleive in moral dilemmas.  I think moral decisions are a matter of simple arithmetic.  Different character make different moral decisions, but they always think they're right (and by their own moral standards, they are).

And sometimes I use dummy characters that are designed for no purpose other than to explore my squad members and scenarios in a game world.

I tried to do this with Sheploo in ME (I needed to play a soldier for a bit to unlock the Sniper Rifle for my other characters, so I took the opportunity to try out some decisions), but I found I couldn't do it.  If I don't care about my character, then I can't bring myself to slog through the monotony of all that combat.

I've come to realise that I only enjoy combat as a roleplaying exercise.  If I'm not making decisions that express my character's personality, then I'm not having fun.

Ragabul the Ontarah wrote...

Hmm, how do I put it? I think to you an RPG is almost a sort of proving ground for your character. A story used to define your character. Or a world upon which your character can make the personality you gave him an actuality. For me an RPG is something like an ant farm.  It's a thing I can prod and poke and examine to see how it reacts.

That's very well put. 

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Heck, I'd be happy with
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Those Apple IIe graphics were wholly adequate.

Stronghand wrote...

I have coworkers only a copule of years younger than me who can't understand how I can even look at games from the 90's becasue the graphics are so "ugly".

And that's an insane position.  Did no one play games in the '90s?  Surely those people didn't think the games were "ugly" in 1996.

Quality doesn't change.

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It seems today many people can´t see beyond less than stellar graphics (Origins is an example) and can´t be bothered to actually read a manual and invest an hour in learning gameplay, everything must be direct. We are unlikely to have another Arcanum for example.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

Stronghand wrote...
I have coworkers only a copule of years younger than me who can't understand how I can even look at games from the 90's becasue the graphics are so "ugly".


And that's an insane position.  Did no one play games in the '90s?  Surely those people didn't think the games were "ugly" in 1996.

Quality doesn't change.


You got no argument from me there, I started playing games in the late '80s / early '90s, and I still occasionally go back and play some of them, or even find a new one that I like. The point I was making was that for a lot of people graphics are important, if it's not the latest and the greatest they're not interested. Their loss really.

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I think that graphics are important, but they aren't the only important thing. To me, games are, primarily, a visual medium. But in many cases they are more of a mental medium. For example: I often imagined a lot of what my character in BG2 was doing while only part of me was watching the screen. That aside, I still like good graphics in my game, but gameplay is probably more important in the long run.

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andar91 wrote...

I think that graphics are important, but they aren't the only important thing. To me, games are, primarily, a visual medium. But in many cases they are more of a mental medium. For example: I often imagined a lot of what my character in BG2 was doing while only part of me was watching the screen. That aside, I still like good graphics in my game, but gameplay is probably more important in the long run.


Game play is the most important thing. I still enjoy old games.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...

ME1 did this several times for every hour of gameplay.  In ME2 I've only really noticed it in conversations with the Illusive Man, and I think that's the result of an inconsistently applied paragon-renegade system.


We spoke about this before, but I think you're right on the money about that. Different writers wrote Shepard, and not everyone seemed to agree on how much and what was fixed about Shepard. The game seemed to suffer from a too many cooks in the kitchen issue.

Sometimes, paragon meant diplomatic and renegade meant brute. Other times, paragon meant good and renegade meant bad, but you were violent in either case.

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Acutally the sales on pc were bigger then the Xbox360 and the ps3 only becaues it was cheaper...How do I know this? well you see steam sold really A LOT OF COPIES and there was alot other aswell..just look at SC2 sale.. most of these people brought DAO and then they also lost alot of copies to downloading.. but I dont think it was that extrem because most of the populair torrent sites didnt have more then 8k downloads

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Eh, I'm from the days of DOS games and Commander Keen 1. There's other games, but I don't remember the names anymore.



I think I'd still go back and play Commander Keen, but I'm still hungry for better graphics in Dragon Age 2.

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swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways

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wwwwowwww wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways


I guess people are curious if she's just as good looking as Jane was.

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iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways


I guess people are curious if she's just as good looking as Jane was.




Don't know who Jane was, but again considering you customize the female version just like you do the male one I don't see how you can say one way or the other on this one.

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wwwwowwww wrote...

iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways


I guess people are curious if she's just as good looking as Jane was.




Don't know who Jane was, but again considering you customize the female version just like you do the male one I don't see how you can say one way or the other on this one.


Jane is the default from ME and ME2.

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iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways


I guess people are curious if she's just as good looking as Jane was.




Don't know who Jane was, but again considering you customize the female version just like you do the male one I don't see how you can say one way or the other on this one.


Jane is the default from ME and ME2.


Who thought Jane was pretty? She was alright, and had the only pretty eyes and lips available, but she didn't look exactly pretty to me. Which is appropriate for Shepard, but I'm just surprised at the word.

Modifié par Saibh, 24 août 2010 - 02:24 .


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Maybe it's just me but I don't get it. You customize the character so what does it matter what the default looks like? Not to mention in DA:O you had a number of presets to choose from, don't see any reason why that would change for DA: 2, maybe I'm just clueless

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Saibh wrote...

iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

iShreav wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

swirlwind wrote...

Em23 wrote...

Someone play as femhawke please!!

My fiancé who is at Gamescom at the moment said that LadyHawke wasn't playable in the demo. He could see her but not play her. Unfortunately he didn't realise how much I wanted to know everything about her so he only glanced at her. I would love to give you a description, but the best he could do was "pretty much the same as maleHawke, only no beard" and "short hair, I think". Vague much...


Considering both are customizable I'm not sure what you'd be looking for anways


I guess people are curious if she's just as good looking as Jane was.




Don't know who Jane was, but again considering you customize the female version just like you do the male one I don't see how you can say one way or the other on this one.


Jane is the default from ME and ME2.


Who thought Jane was pretty? She was alright, and had the only pretty eyes and lips available, but she didn't look exactly pretty to me. Which is appropriate for Shepard, but I'm just surprised at the word.


A couple of tweaks (major tweaks) would turn her into a bombshell.  xD

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wwwwowwww wrote...

Maybe it's just me but I don't get it. You customize the character so what does it matter what the default looks like? Not to mention in DA:O you had a number of presets to choose from, don't see any reason why that would change for DA: 2, maybe I'm just clueless


It's the same reason people care what the guy in the blur trailer looks like. Fans of the female pc just want her to have an awesome 'marketing' depiction even if Bioware rarely use female pc's for marketing purposes. Not to mention some people are so impressed by the look of Garrett Hawke they are considering playing through without customising him, naturally fans of Lady Hawke want her to look just as good.

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iShreav wrote...

A couple of tweaks (major tweaks) would turn her into a bombshell.  xD


Actually, my general Shepard face revolves around her same eyes and lips, so they sort of all resemble each other. At least in the first game.

Apollo Starflare wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

Maybe it's just me but I don't get it. You customize the character so what does it matter what the default looks like? Not to mention in DA:O you had a number of presets to choose from, don't see any reason why that would change for DA: 2, maybe I'm just clueless


It's the same reason people care what the guy in the blur trailer looks like. Fans of the female pc just want her to have an awesome 'marketing' depiction even if Bioware rarely use female pc's for marketing purposes. Not to mention some people are so impressed by the look of Garrett Hawke they are considering playing through without customising him, naturally fans of Lady Hawke want her to look just as good.


Also, Sheploo has facial perimeters that are impossible to mimick with the CC. He has a very unique face; I would like to know what Lady Hawke's face looks like because of what Apollo said, and because it might be completely unique.

Modifié par Saibh, 24 août 2010 - 02:45 .


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Apollo Starflare wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

Maybe it's just me but I don't get it. You customize the character so what does it matter what the default looks like? Not to mention in DA:O you had a number of presets to choose from, don't see any reason why that would change for DA: 2, maybe I'm just clueless


It's the same reason people care what the guy in the blur trailer looks like. Fans of the female pc just want her to have an awesome 'marketing' depiction even if Bioware rarely use female pc's for marketing purposes. Not to mention some people are so impressed by the look of Garrett Hawke they are considering playing through without customising him, naturally fans of Lady Hawke want her to look just as good.

I agree with Apollo B)

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Saibh wrote...

iShreav wrote...

A couple of tweaks (major tweaks) would turn her into a bombshell.  xD


Actually, my general Shepard face revolves around her same eyes and lips, so they sort of all resemble each other. At least in the first game.

Apollo Starflare wrote...

wwwwowwww wrote...

Maybe it's just me but I don't get it. You customize the character so what does it matter what the default looks like? Not to mention in DA:O you had a number of presets to choose from, don't see any reason why that would change for DA: 2, maybe I'm just clueless


It's the same reason people care what the guy in the blur trailer looks like. Fans of the female pc just want her to have an awesome 'marketing' depiction even if Bioware rarely use female pc's for marketing purposes. Not to mention some people are so impressed by the look of Garrett Hawke they are considering playing through without customising him, naturally fans of Lady Hawke want her to look just as good.


Also, Sheploo has facial perimeters that are impossible to mimick with the CC. He has a very unique face; I would like to know what Lady Hawke's face looks like because of what Apollo said, and because it might be completely unique.


That's a good point, judging by what John Elper said about spending more time on the female character model (or something along those lines) it's not unreasonable to think that both defaults might have unique faces this time around too.

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Saibh wrote...

Who thought Jane was pretty?

I thought Jane uninteresting, but tending toward homely..

But then, I think Eva Mendes is remarkably homely, and this is apparently an unpopular opinion.  To each his own, I suppose.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
But then, I think Eva Mendes is remarkably homely, and this is apparently an unpopular opinion.  To each his own, I suppose.


Attractive is by far the most nonsensical word in the English language. Everyone means something different by it. So whether or not someone is refering to facial features, or body type, or a combination of both, or something else entirely is never actually clear.

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Sylvius the Mad wrote...
But then, I think Eva Mendes is remarkably homely, and this is apparently an unpopular opinion.  To each his own, I suppose.

Is it wrong that I had to use google image search to know who you were talking about?

That said, I agree...she's not at all pretty.

Honestly, I'm not quite sure what all the hubbub is about in regards to the default character appearance.  I can't recall ever not customizing my appearance in a game that allowed it (though I will admit, I find default MaleHawke much more appealing than any other default character I can imagine.)