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[kidbd15]

Sorry if this was discussed before, I searched but couldn't find anything specific via topic titles, so here goes:

So recently ME2 has been announced for PS3 (great news), but a lot of people have speculated that EA is behind this as a way to reach out to more fans to ultimately make more money, which EA is known for in a cut-throat type of way (NFL license), and they are also seen as a company that really doesn't care for gamers, as long as they make $.

So this brings us back to ME.  Seeing as how ME2 left us pretty much exactly where ME1 left us, is there any fear that ME3 will go the same route?  As in, the Reaper threat will still exist? It sounds a bit absurd seeing as we've always been promised that it's a trilogy, I know, but think about it this way:

BioWare has ALWAYS said that the trilogy is Shepard's story.  They alway's made sure to say it was Shepard's story, Shepard's conclusion.  But will it be a conclusion of the Reaper threat? I mean, we've seen hundreds of massive sentient ships heading to the galaxy, but are we really supposed to fight them all? Does that seem plausible, if at all logical that we'll destroy all the Reapers? I don't think so.  The only possible way would be some sort of failsafe that all the Reapers are connected to, a failsafe we uncover and have to get to in ME3, but that's seems lame (lame story wise, gameplay wise it may be a lot of fun).  If there is no failsafe however, then it would be all out war, which would be awesome as an end to the trilogy, but it just seems unlikely. 

Again, back to what BioWare has always said: the trilogy is Shepard's conclusion.   I now take this to mean that Shepard will die.  If he were to die, the ideal situation would be to die destroying all the Reapers, but with the money hungry company EA behind the scenes, I believe Shepard will die providing crucial information about the Reapers (how to destory them, etc) to the species of the galaxy, and that the battle will continue via MMO.

This is what scares me, having the Reaper threat being extinguished through an MMORPG, which could very well be the multiplayer project EA and BioWare are working on (let's not forget BioWare is getting their MMO practice on with KOTOR MMO).  I don't care that a ME MMO comes out, but I've invested a lot of time and money into this trilogy, and I would love for there to be a proper conclusion in ME3 where not only Shepard's story is concluded, but the Reaper threat is as well.

I won't be playing the MMO, as I'm sure a lot of ME fans won't be, because it's too much of a time and money investment in my opinion, and the older I get, the less time I have on games, so I'm hoping as a casual gamer that ME3 will finish off the Shepard story and Reaper story.

Thoughts? Am I late to this realization and most of you have already considered this and accepted this? Or does this possibility scare you?

Modifié par kidbd15, 19 août 2010 - 06:44 .

[Zan51]

I disagree we were left where ME1 ended, we have progressed significantly since then. We have a better Normandy, with Thanix cannons, which I think are Reaper tech, aren't they? We know a lot more about them' and we found the Collector Base and a way to that area of space through the Omega 4 relay. Quite possibly the solution will involve the Omega 4 relay and that section of space.

Maybe there are ruins from the creators of the first proto reapers out there... Maybe the Keepers have yet nother role to play, which is my fav thought.  I do like those guys..

Modifié par Zan51, 19 août 2010 - 07:09 .

[MisterDyslexo]

Agreed for the most part. EA is gonna ruin this. I know for a fact that nobody at Bioware wanted a KOTOR MMO, and would rather work towards a really kickass ME3 (when's it supposed to come out, 2012, 2013, with all their resources devoted to that or ME2 DLC), but this is what I think happened with that:



BW: Okay, we had a bit of a let-down with the writing in ME2, but it was still a great game, and most gameplay issues are resolved, so that me we can focus on the plot and making the game bigger that our fans deser-

EA: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

BW:We are proud to announce a KOTOR MMO coming soon, also a ME2, but not ME1, port to PS3, making our original intentions about choices and impact in the game ultimately be more disappointing emails.



And on that note, I assume EA is gonna ruin ME2 with an MMO. I hope that Bioware can somehow get out of the claws of EA, who don't seem to give two ****s about the game developers' wants and just want a quick buck

[Darthnemesis2]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Agreed for the most part. EA is gonna ruin this. I know for a fact that nobody at Bioware wanted a KOTOR MMO, and would rather work towards a really kickass ME3 (when's it supposed to come out, 2012, 2013, with all their resources devoted to that or ME2 DLC), but this is what I think happened with that:

BW: Okay, we had a bit of a let-down with the writing in ME2, but it was still a great game, and most gameplay issues are resolved, so that me we can focus on the plot and making the game bigger that our fans deser-
EA: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
BW:We are proud to announce a KOTOR MMO coming soon, also a ME2, but not ME1, port to PS3, making our original intentions about choices and impact in the game ultimately be more disappointing emails.

And on that note, I assume EA is gonna ruin ME2 with an MMO. I hope that Bioware can somehow get out of the claws of EA, who don't seem to give two ****s about the game developers' wants and just want a quick buck

This is funny because the rumors of a Bioware/Lucasarts team up were around long before EA entered the picture. Thus your arguement is fail.

[PWENER]

[kidbd15]

PWENER wrote...

I have faith that BioWare will do all of these, and that ME3 will be a kickass game.  So please, let's not turn this thread into people commenting that it's going to suck and other people posting images like this that show BioWare is working towards making things better than ME2.  The question I raised was whether or not you guys believe the Reaper threat would be finished by the conclusion of ME3, the possibility of that not being the case and the Reaper threat continuing in ME MMORPG, and how you would feel about this, and if you would even play the MMO.

All I'm saying is, I believe ME3 will be a great game in all aspects in listed in this image, but I will be very disappointed if the Reaper threat isn't concluded (even if it does say 'listen to fans,' this MMO direction may still be the case if they are already developing it).

[Mister Mida]

No expectations, no disappointments. It's already been stated that ME3 is not the end of Mass Effect. I still think that ME3 is gonna be the end of the Reapers as well or this is gonna drag on forever with eventually the fans losing interest.

[PWENER]

Mister Mida wrote...

No expectations, no disappointments. It's already been stated that ME3 is not the end of Mass Effect. I still think that ME3 is gonna be the end of the Reapers as well or this is gonna drag on forever with eventually the fans losing interest.

THIS.



Because we don't want that.

[KainrycKarr]

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Agreed for the most part. EA is gonna ruin this. I know for a fact that nobody at Bioware wanted a KOTOR MMO, and would rather work towards a really kickass ME3 (when's it supposed to come out, 2012, 2013, with all their resources devoted to that or ME2 DLC), but this is what I think happened with that:

BW: Okay, we had a bit of a let-down with the writing in ME2, but it was still a great game, and most gameplay issues are resolved, so that me we can focus on the plot and making the game bigger that our fans deser-
EA: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
BW:We are proud to announce a KOTOR MMO coming soon, also a ME2, but not ME1, port to PS3, making our original intentions about choices and impact in the game ultimately be more disappointing emails.

And on that note, I assume EA is gonna ruin ME2 with an MMO. I hope that Bioware can somehow get out of the claws of EA, who don't seem to give two ****s about the game developers' wants and just want a quick buck

This is funny because the rumors of a Bioware/Lucasarts team up were around long before EA entered the picture. Thus your arguement is fail.

This. The KOTOR MMO has been around for well over a year, been in development long before ME2 came out.

[MisterDyslexo]

KainrycKarr wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Agreed for the most part. EA is gonna ruin this. I know for a fact that nobody at Bioware wanted a KOTOR MMO, and would rather work towards a really kickass ME3 (when's it supposed to come out, 2012, 2013, with all their resources devoted to that or ME2 DLC), but this is what I think happened with that:

BW: Okay, we had a bit of a let-down with the writing in ME2, but it was still a great game, and most gameplay issues are resolved, so that me we can focus on the plot and making the game bigger that our fans deser-
EA: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
BW:We are proud to announce a KOTOR MMO coming soon, also a ME2, but not ME1, port to PS3, making our original intentions about choices and impact in the game ultimately be more disappointing emails.

And on that note, I assume EA is gonna ruin ME2 with an MMO. I hope that Bioware can somehow get out of the claws of EA, who don't seem to give two ****s about the game developers' wants and just want a quick buck

This is funny because the rumors of a Bioware/Lucasarts team up were around long before EA entered the picture. Thus your arguement is fail.

This. The KOTOR MMO has been around for well over a year, been in development long before ME2 came out.

I mean to point out that it really doesn't seem to me that BW is so estatic about the KOTOR MMO. I think that BW was considering it, but EA finds a way to mess up things that the studios even want. I know they've worked on multiple projects in the past at the same time, and all were fairly successful, but I think that they'd do it differently from what they're doing now

[Canned Bullets]

Yeah they better not do this. But at the end of ME2 we saw all those Repaers drifting towards the Milky Way, this is probably how they'll extend it.

[KainrycKarr]

MisterDyslexo wrote...

KainrycKarr wrote...

Darthnemesis2 wrote...

MisterDyslexo wrote...

Agreed for the most part. EA is gonna ruin this. I know for a fact that nobody at Bioware wanted a KOTOR MMO, and would rather work towards a really kickass ME3 (when's it supposed to come out, 2012, 2013, with all their resources devoted to that or ME2 DLC), but this is what I think happened with that:

BW: Okay, we had a bit of a let-down with the writing in ME2, but it was still a great game, and most gameplay issues are resolved, so that me we can focus on the plot and making the game bigger that our fans deser-
EA: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL
BW:We are proud to announce a KOTOR MMO coming soon, also a ME2, but not ME1, port to PS3, making our original intentions about choices and impact in the game ultimately be more disappointing emails.

And on that note, I assume EA is gonna ruin ME2 with an MMO. I hope that Bioware can somehow get out of the claws of EA, who don't seem to give two ****s about the game developers' wants and just want a quick buck

This is funny because the rumors of a Bioware/Lucasarts team up were around long before EA entered the picture. Thus your arguement is fail.

This. The KOTOR MMO has been around for well over a year, been in development long before ME2 came out.

I mean to point out that it really doesn't seem to me that BW is so estatic about the KOTOR MMO. I think that BW was considering it, but EA finds a way to mess up things that the studios even want. I know they've worked on multiple projects in the past at the same time, and all were fairly successful, but I think that they'd do it differently from what they're doing now

There were rumors of SWTOR as far back as 07 from what I remember.

[ExtremeOne]

sapientia24 wrote...

I have seen those rumors of SWTOR as far back as 2007 as well, and I've also seen rumors that the SWTOR is supposed to hit the internet to be able to play it in 2009. If the rumors are true of Bioware and Lucas Arts teaming up for the SWTOR mmo is true way back in 2007 then EA has nothing to do originally with the original agreement between Bioware and Lucas Arts.

  


I think one needs to understand when it comes to anything related to Star Wars Lucas Arts is going to have a very strong say in what happens. I am sure you will not see Star Wars The Old Republic MMO this year since Lucas Arts is releasing The Force Unleashed 2 in Oct. I bet we will see it released in 2011 

[Marzillius]

Well what really sucks is The Old Republic in general. It and the ME2 for PS3 game will assure that ME3 will be severely delayed. I REALLY don't want to wait until 2013 to play the final installment in the trilogy.

[gi0m]

Marzillius wrote...

Well what really sucks is The Old Republic in general. It and the ME2 for PS3 game will assure that ME3 will be severely delayed. I REALLY don't want to wait until 2013 to play the final installment in the trilogy.

ME3 will come december in 2012. Reapers destroy Earth. End of our game.

[erilben]

It's going to be a long time before BioWare makes another MMO if they even make another one. They don't want to split their subscribers over two MMOs and have to support two MMOs.

[Marzillius]

erilben wrote...

It's going to be a long time before BioWare makes another MMO if they even make another one. They don't want to split their subscribers over two MMOs and have to support two MMOs.

This.

Blizzard is making a try at this though.

[ExtremeOne]

I guess ME 3 will be out in 2011 or 2012

[Marzillius]

ExtremeOne wrote...

I guess ME 3 will be out in 2011 or 2012

They've said Q3 or Q4 2011, but the game has not been officially announced yet so I would expect much later than that, sadly.

[Renaikan]

What do you mean by improper ending? EA and Bioware turning the franchise into a future MMO, the Reaper threat still existing after ME3, or both?



My opinion, I feel ME should never become an MMO. Continue with the RPG game format it has now. Make Shep an NPC sort of like what Anderson is.

As for Shep putting an end to the Reaper threat once and for all in ME3 I have to disagree. There is no way Shep can defeat an enemy that has been existing since before time itself. A Species that wiped out the Protheans 50,000 years ago, and countless other species before them. They are the law of the Universe. A cycle that has been repeating itself since the beginning of the known Universe. At best Shep makes a noticeable blow and sets them back a bit. Where it takes the Reapers another 50 or so years to regroup and try again. No way does a human wipe out a species that has existed as long as the Reapers have. They are like God for christ sake. The only thing Shep can do at best is prolong the inevitable. Reapers will wipe out all Species in the Galaxy. As it has been since before time.

[smudboy]

kidbd15 wrote...
So this brings us back to ME.  Seeing as how ME2 left us pretty much exactly where ME1 left us, is there any fear that ME3 will go the same route?  As in, the Reaper threat will still exist? It sounds a bit absurd seeing as we've always been promised that it's a trilogy, I know, but think about it this way:

I have absolutely no clue what ME3 is going to be about.  ME2 made such a mess of things it's hard to determine what to expect.

BioWare has ALWAYS said that the trilogy is Shepard's story.  They alway's made sure to say it was Shepard's story, Shepard's conclusion.  But will it be a conclusion of the Reaper threat? I mean, we've seen hundreds of massive sentient ships heading to the galaxy, but are we really supposed to fight them all? Does that seem plausible, if at all logical that we'll destroy all the Reapers? I don't think so.  The only possible way would be some sort of failsafe that all the Reapers are connected to, a failsafe we uncover and have to get to in ME3, but that's seems lame (lame story wise, gameplay wise it may be a lot of fun).  If there is no failsafe however, then it would be all out war, which would be awesome as an end to the trilogy, but it just seems unlikely.

Unfortunately, there's very little in ME2 that made this "Shepard's story."  Just becaue they're in it doesn't make them plot integral, and just saying it's "Shepard's story" doesn't prove it.  In order to do that, Shepard needs to be integral to the plot.  You might even describe the story of a character as being an active protgaonist, or a character driven narrative, but that's not in ME2.  Instead, ME2 is a frame story of other people, that have 0 to do with Shepard, and are treated as cannon fodder.  Shepard's Story, if anything, is just to kill some guys in completely nonsensical/ill-conceived and contrived means.

Compare that to ME1, where Shepard was integral to the plot, was an active protagonist, and who used his squadmates to support him in his journey (Tali, Liara, Ash/Kaidan.)

Again, back to what BioWare has always said: the trilogy is Shepard's conclusion.   I now take this to mean that Shepard will die.  If he were to die, the ideal situation would be to die destroying all the Reapers, but with the money hungry company EA behind the scenes, I believe Shepard will die providing crucial information about the Reapers (how to destory them, etc) to the species of the galaxy, and that the battle will continue via MMO.

I too would like to see some meaningful death. 

This is what scares me, having the Reaper threat being extinguished through an MMORPG, which could very well be the multiplayer project EA and BioWare are working on (let's not forget BioWare is getting their MMO practice on with KOTOR MMO).  I don't care that a ME MMO comes out, but I've invested a lot of time and money into this trilogy, and I would love for there to be a proper conclusion in ME3 where not only Shepard's story is concluded, but the Reaper threat is as well.

I won't be playing the MMO, as I'm sure a lot of ME fans won't be, because it's too much of a time and money investment in my opinion, and the older I get, the less time I have on games, so I'm hoping as a casual gamer that ME3 will finish off the Shepard story and Reaper story.

Thoughts? Am I late to this realization and most of you have already considered this and accepted this? Or does this possibility scare you?

I like that there was an Ecael thread about an RTS, that sounds at least interesting.  My great fear is the two extremes 1) ambiguity and 2) contrived endings will make ME3 end on a very, very sour note.  There is so many ways to tackle this problem, but if they don't hit every plot point as storytelling gold, it's just going to be another explosion and popcorn fest that ME2 was.

[SD2483]

I don't think TOR is going to cut into ME3 developement. From what I understand TOR is being developed by Bioware Austin, a seperate studio, much less a separate team. Same thing with the ME2 port and DLC...all being made by separate teams. Bioware is a pretty big company, guys. And a competent one, as well.

[kidbd15]

Renaikan wrote...

What do you mean by improper ending? EA and Bioware turning the franchise into a future MMO, the Reaper threat still existing after ME3, or both?

My opinion, I feel ME should never become an MMO. Continue with the RPG game format it has now. Make Shep an NPC sort of like what Anderson is.
As for Shep putting an end to the Reaper threat once and for all in ME3 I have to disagree. There is no way Shep can defeat an enemy that has been existing since before time itself. A Species that wiped out the Protheans 50,000 years ago, and countless other species before them. They are the law of the Universe. A cycle that has been repeating itself since the beginning of the known Universe. At best Shep makes a noticeable blow and sets them back a bit. Where it takes the Reapers another 50 or so years to regroup and try again. No way does a human wipe out a species that has existed as long as the Reapers have. They are like God for christ sake. The only thing Shep can do at best is prolong the inevitable. Reapers will wipe out all Species in the Galaxy. As it has been since before time.

What you say is very logical and makes sense, but that's what I'm afraid of.  Shepard has already been setting the Reapers back.  That's what he accomplished in ME1, what he accomplished in ME2... doing the same thing in ME3 (grand perspective wise) just sucks IMO.  And it just seems that this will all lead in to the Reaper threat continuing in an MMO.

@smudboy:  I agree with pretty much everything you said.  I loved ME2 for very different reasons than I loved ME1.  ME1 was a great story, ME2 had great gameplay.  I too wish they had added some missions delving into Shepard's background.  I mean, all they would have to do is create a mission (even a side mission would have been nice), that went into Shepard's background, which would add greatly to replay value.  A more in depth conversation with the Reapers would have been nice too... for anyone who has read the latest book (SPOILERS), Kahlee Sanders has a somewhat meaningful conversation with the Reapers.  Granted the conversation was similar to that of Sovereign from ME1, it still added a few extra important lines of dialogue from the Reapers that should be in the MAIN storytelling media outlet that all ME fans will experience, which are these games. 

Anyways, I said this in other topics before, but ME2 was more of an ME 1.5, just a stepping stone (storywise), but a great and fun stepping stone.

[TekFanX]

OP, I aggree completely on the terms of EA-quality-downgrading.



I hope for god's sake, that BioWare will somehow be not entirely corrupted by EA.

We see signs as the half-bakened appearance of Conrad Verner who insists on being treated by a renegade-shepard, even if you where all-thru paragon.

I liked ME2 so far, although it mostly served as a sequel to ME1 to deepen the insight into the me-universe.

Also it was more shooter-based than RPG, which kinda adds to the mainstream-stuff EA want's to crap(rather than bring) out.

Though I liked the new Armor-Design, I was a bit disappointed of the small impact the boni made on the game-play.

Alltogether the game was able to stand up to the ME1-legacy, but disappointed a bit in terms of RPG-gameplay and some small design-flaws like minimum-impact of Feros on the ME-world.



I'm happy so far that the good dialouges and many character-oppinions stood up to the ME1-legacy, but rather worried that EA will ruin this series as it did with C&C.



So, if anyone from EA or BioWare reporting to EA reads this, as someone who played both games and saw your fingers lurk through the design like you did in other games, I'd like to suggest something:

EA, if you really want to make money, get out of the BioWare-studio as fast as possible.

The only things EA should add to the game are:

-the annoying unskippable EA-logo at the beginning

-some EA-departments in the credits

Everything between this two parts should be in the hands of BioWare, BioWare and no one else but BioWare.

They had enough success to make some of the EA-guys decide to buy them up, let it be a symbiotic business, rather than sucking the money out of the studio.