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[SithLordExarKun]

Mistress Tasharra wrote...



And by the way, people did rage over KotOR being given a canon. Revan will always be a woman to me, no matter what they say. Always.

I hated KotOR long ago because of that... plus the canon lightside ending and revan being a white guy with long hair.

[Saibh]

RGC_Ines wrote...

Well maybe make Marian Hawke canon? Why it have to be Garret? Becouse You found him attractive? DA2 isn't made only for Garret Hawke's fangirls..."Canon" character is a reason why I don't play i.e Alpha Protocol, I also wasn't interesting in ME until I saw, that there will be Female Shepard available. Im female and I want to play as a female in RPG games. And what about players who want to play as a hetero/homosexual character? Or those who are tired with white, male, dark haired " canon" hero ? If BioWare want a canon, make PC decisions canon for a next game ( like they done in ME2 if You don't use ME1 character), but let me play my game in my way..

Right. I don't believe there should be a "canon"--I really don't believe we should only be given one choice. I wouldn't buy the game if I couldn't play as a girl.

What's your argument for making Hawke male? Because he looks cool? His design is good? Well, so long as Marian's face is just as well done, they're pretty much going to share a design. So why not female Hawke? 

Personally, I think you show a lack of understanding for a) BioWare games, and  this genre, if you're not getting why we want the choice to play as a man or woman, and be allowed to make decisions. Not every RPG allows you to make the choice, but, like I said, BioWare does.

Honestly, you're playing the wrong games if this bothers you.

[JustValiant]

Maybe Mike Hawke sounds too similar to Nighthawk?

[Special_Agent_Goodwrench]

No to canon Garret Hawke. That's why I love Dragon Age. There is NO canon.

Modifié par DrunkDeadman, 19 août 2010 - 05:26 .

[CrookedAsylum]

Freek on a Leesh wrote...


Mandarin Chinese:BU DUI

Bu shi, man, bu shi.

But holy Jesus, I don't think there's enough ways to say 'no' to this idea.

[IndigoWolfe]

Taint Master wrote...

Lets face it, Garret Hawke is one of the coolest designs in Dragon Age, up there with Duncan and Morrigan.  I don't think there's a point in letting us make our own 'Hawkes' anymore.

David Gaider said he wanted Dragon Age to have a recognizable protagonist.  Why not just make him the canon character and dump the character creator altogether?  They could spend the development money on more content/dialogue instead and make the story richer.

DAO was our chance to make our own characters so why not make DA2 officially about Garrett?

The basic idea of an RPG is to make your character who you want them to be. If you or anyone else want your character be Garrett Hawke *your* character, then you can do that. It's entirely your perogative.

I also love the design of Garrett Hawke just as you do, as it stands I'll be playing through for the first time with his face. That being said, I'll also be playing through with custom faces as well, and female Hawkes. This is part of what gives an RPG its replayability. I wouldn't want Bioware to abandon this.

People deserve the ability to make their own Hawkes, it's been the Bioware standard for a long time. So I'm going to have to say I really disagree with making Garrett canon, not that I even once thought Bioware were going to do that.

[ReinaHW]

If you want some generic male only character with no imagination and say on that character, play a Rockstar game and the many FPS games, they never have a playable female lead, too much like hard work to be creative for them when it's easier to slap together some boring generic male who's like so many others.



Male Hawke may look alright in the trailer, but I don't want to play as him, had my fill of male leads in games over the past almost three decades of gaming.

Reina Hawke, my version of Hawke, will do as she's done in the rare games that have allowed gender choice and character creation - Smack heads about, have an adventure and not be male.

[KennethAFTopp]

Taint Master wrote...

Lets face it, Garret Hawke is one of the coolest designs in Dragon Age, up there with Duncan and Morrigan.  I don't think there's a point in letting us make our own 'Hawkes' anymore.

David Gaider said he wanted Dragon Age to have a recognizable protagonist.  Why not just make him the canon character and dump the character creator altogether?  They could spend the development money on more content/dialogue instead and make the story richer.

DAO was our chance to make our own characters so why not make DA2 officially about Garrett?

Gods I hope not, so NO.

[Blessed Silence]

Might as well play one of all the other console games out there that gives no choice and we're stuck in one role and one background. I'll pass.



I love choice and having the freedom to make it.

[Lord Gremlin]

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Modifié par Lord Gremlin, 19 août 2010 - 06:37 .

[rolson00]

Lord Gremlin wrote...

5 pages? Looks, here your answer:
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first time ive done that made me laugh

[Taint Master]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

The basic idea of an RPG is to make your character who you want them to be.

Not really.  Have any of you ever played a Final Fantasy title?  Those are some of the highest rated RPGs of all time and they all come with predefined characters.

[DarthCaine]

Taint Master wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

The basic idea of an RPG is to make your character who you want them to be.

Not really.  Have any of you ever played a Final Fantasy title?  Those are some of the highest rated RPGs of all time and they all come with predefined characters.

Those are JRPGs and very different than WRPG. JRPGs don't deserve the name ROLE PLAYING 'cos there's none in them

[Taint Master]

DarthCaine wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

The basic idea of an RPG is to make your character who you want them to be.

Not really.  Have any of you ever played a Final Fantasy title?  Those are some of the highest rated RPGs of all time and they all come with predefined characters.

Those are JRPGs and very different than WRPG. JRPGs don't deserve the name ROLE PLAYING 'cos there's none in them

Why do you say that?  You still take control of the character,  FF is a tightly woven IP which ash tons of spinoffs outside of the video games.  Having canon characters and storylines helps keep it in tact.

[Saibh]

Taint Master wrote...

DarthCaine wrote...

Taint Master wrote...

IndigoWolfe wrote...

The basic idea of an RPG is to make your character who you want them to be.

Not really.  Have any of you ever played a Final Fantasy title?  Those are some of the highest rated RPGs of all time and they all come with predefined characters.

Those are JRPGs and very different than WRPG. JRPGs don't deserve the name ROLE PLAYING 'cos there's none in them

Why do you say that?  You still take control of the character,  FF is a tightly woven IP which ash tons of spinoffs outside of the video games.  Having canon characters and storylines helps keep it in tact.

You also take control of Altair, Marcus Fenix, Master Chief, Cole MacGrath, Faith Connors, Rubi, and Gordon Freeman in their respective games.

Are any of those RPGs? No. I'm not entirely sure why JRPGs still maintain the "RPG" in their names. Halo has immense success with a single protagonist, but guess what? It's not an RPG. The success of one game does not mean all others must inherently follow.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 août 2010 - 09:54 .

[ReinaHW]

JRPG's are a joke now, more often that not they have the same cliche, done to death personalities for their characters - the buff, silent type, the emo, the kid/s who have been at the helium, the 'I'll be your hero!' type, the whiner, the magic user who doesn't like to fight, but can fire off a deadly spell and the ever present mysterious loner.

And then there's the world - 'Go from here to here, fight boss, go from here to here, fight boss. Well done, you get a linear cookie!'



JRPG's have become little more than interactive movies now with little to no interaction from the player in terms of their character - it's extremely rare to see character creation and gender choice of any kind of JRG's, a main female lead is even rarer, usually they're weak and useless and designed so that the man can be all hero for them.

JRPG's are extremely linear with next to no side quests to do, those that have them don't do the feature very well.



The stories more often than not tend to be the same kind of thing and the character's themselves are usually in their late to early teens and somehow experts with weapons before they were out of nappies.

JRPG's might be fine for those who want to be held by the hand all the way through, who have next to no imagination and like to have things done for them, but quite frankly they're a joke.



It's so rare to come across a JRPG that does things differently.

[Taint Master]

I guess that's why FFXIII received such rave reviews.
http://ps3.ign.com/o...826/826843.html

Clearly JRPGs are such a "joke" that millions of people buy and play them.

Modifié par Taint Master, 19 août 2010 - 10:13 .

[KennethAFTopp]

I just think you need to realize that alot of people respecfully diagree with your idea.

[Taint Master]

KennethAFTopp wrote...

I just think you need to realize that alot of people respecfully diagree with your idea.

They don't really have a sound reason though.  FFXIII sold over 1 million copies in 5 days.  That's even faster than DAO and they were only on consoles.

[Saibh]

Taint Master wrote...

I guess that's why FFXIII received such rave reviews.
http://ps3.ign.com/o...826/826843.html

Clearly JRPGs are such a "joke" that millions of people buy and play them.

Yes, but they hardly qualify as RPGs, by Western standards--which isn't even the point.

Again. The success of one game does not inherently mean that all games should follow suit. You don't seem to understand this company, or its games.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 août 2010 - 10:22 .

[Rapidiul]

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par Rapidiul, 19 août 2010 - 10:24 .

[KennethAFTopp]

Taint Master wrote...

KennethAFTopp wrote...

I just think you need to realize that alot of people respecfully diagree with your idea.

They don't really have a sound reason though.  FFXIII sold over 1 million copies in 5 days.  That's even faster than DAO and they were only on consoles.

Neither do you, numbers aint everything, secondly as far as I know Bioware aint out to make a JRPG which hardly constitute a RPG anyway, no more than say BioShock or Singularity.

Also you have to realize some people, like myself love to dick around in the character generator for hours on end to adjust the face of their character, I've never used a default face and don't really want to. Yes Hawke looks pretty bad ass, I think the default Shepard also looks pretty cool, but I still want to create my own face for my character.
I am constantly annoyed with german RPGs when the put me in the shoes of a default guy who looks really hokey.

[Taint Master]

Bioware's RPGs are great, but even the devs have mentioned the need to move away from the old ways of doing things. The open ended games are great as single titles, but if you want to make a franchise out of it, it is MUCH harder to tie everything together as the games go on. There are just too many variables to keep going without establishing a canon.



Final Fantasy is probably the most recognizable RPG franchise on the planet. Why wouldn't you look to them as an example.

[Saibh]

Taint Master wrote...

Bioware's RPGs are great, but even the devs have mentioned the need to move away from the old ways of doing things. The open ended games are great as single titles, but if you want to make a franchise out of it, it is MUCH harder to tie everything together as the games go on. There are just too many variables to keep going without establishing a canon.

Final Fantasy is probably the most recognizable RPG franchise on the planet. Why wouldn't you look to them as an example.

They mentioned they need to evolve, which is not the same thing as completely removing at least gender options. Seriously, every single game since Baldur's Gate (excusing Sonic, of course) has allowed gender and class choice. It is a mighty step backwards to remove it.

Also. Again. One series success does not mean that they all should be the same. If that were the case, every game would be Farmville or Bejeweled.

If you want to play a game with one protagonist, play Uncharted, play Half Life, play Mario, play Bayonetta, play a different series from a different company.

Honestly, this just isn't getting through to you.

Modifié par Saibh, 19 août 2010 - 10:29 .