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[ladydesire]

Dragoon001 wrote...

Kadus save habits are fine.

Two saves? Maybe for those bug-free games (which are a myth, by the way).

Despite that, a game that requires 15-20 saves is not worth
playing and the developers slapped by Rear.Adm. Grace
Hopper corpse.

Then no game developer should suggest in the game manual or in-game load screens to save often and in different slots, since multiple saves are unneeded; they should also do away with the "save anywhere" feature, since extra saves are useless.

[Last Darkness]

Pettytheft wrote...

You people blaming the his save games habits are far more than idiotic. The problem lies with the developer leaving such a huge glaring bug after the game was released months ago. It should have never gone to market with such an obvious bug. That being said it makes 4 autosaves unfortunately when you do that quest the last one ends up being right after you enter the mines. Which is when the bug starts. Nothing wrong with his saving habits, he just got hit by a BS bug that a AAA developer has decided to leave people hanging with.

Wow I want to live in your world where all software is perfect.        /sarcasm

[Dragoon001]

@ladydesire

Don't surrender to mediocrity and the multisave often more to go back track because you can live with the consequences of your action. Which pretty sad considering for a Role Playing game.

A game becomes much more enjoyable when you are willing to face the consequences even if they are negative. It's the confict that spices up the game.

Actually I remember with joy a scene in Bioware's Throne of Bhaal where Bioware makes fun of some players habit to do first something stupid, fail horribly and then reload.



Surprising for we humans are vertebra not everyone seems to have a spine.

[AlanC9]

Kaduaos, if your save habits are fine, how come you almost ended up so screwed? I don't get your standard for "fine" here -- my standard for something working fine is that it doesn't give me any problems.

[Kaduos]

I'm not starting another idiotic argument with you when the answer has been given multiple times already.

[Funkjoker]

Kaduos, the best part of this bug is that BW won't fix it. Read it for yourself: social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Dragon-Age-Origins-News-and-Announcements/Upcoming-Dragon-Age-Patch-Info-July-16-2010-3149645-1.html

And the best part of this thread is to compare earthquakes with savegames.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Jean-Funk Van Damme wrote...

Kaduos, the best part of this bug is that BW won't fix it. Read it for yourself: social.bioware.com/forum/Dragon-Age-Origins/Dragon-Age-Origins-News-and-Announcements/Upcoming-Dragon-Age-Patch-Info-July-16-2010-3149645-1.html

And the best part of this thread is to compare earthquakes with savegames.

He's saying he wont fix a bug where the player picks the lock on the mine before he;'s supposed to. Dont know why, just make the door unpickable.. but anyway, I just got this bug.. and did not pick the lock, so its something else.

here's what I found. http://social.biowar...8/index/4528861

[Pettytheft]

Last Darkness wrote...


Wow I want to live in your world where all software is perfect.        /sarcasm

Ohh please. You're missing the entire point.  I don't mind workarounds. I had to go back and redo the mines myself. But that was on the games release. Not 4 months later. I didn't have any problems with Origins and the bugs I encountered but Awakenings was a beta product at best. It was rushed to release and it had several obvious bugs that people were left hanging with for months. Meanwhile we get additional DLC, new announcements and they don't bother to fix the original product. I just expect more from a developer like BioWare. I don't remember the last time I played a game with such obvious broken content as Awakenings. Maybe a MMO but that's to be expected.

[ladydesire]

Actually, they did fix the instance where it happens if you pick
the lock; what they have not fixed is when you've got items
equipped that the 4th experimental subject cannot wear, due
to the either having the "player" restriction or them being
restricted by Specialization. That's why the workaround is to
unequip those items before entering the mines.

@Pettythief: Apparently you missed the bugs in Origins, and quite a few other games; I don't know why people insist that games (especially modern games) are without bugs when most game forums have sections like the ones here for bug reports, which often have reports of bugs that not everyone experiences.

Modifié par ladydesire, 21 août 2010 - 10:22 .

[Itkovian]

Kaduos wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

The simple fact remains that, had you kept regular saves in separate slots, the solution would have been substantially simpler.
Regardless of the nature of the bug, or even if there is no bug at all, it always is best to keep a plethora of savegames. There are any number of situations where it might come in handy.
That said, it is good that an alternate solution was provided.
Itkovian

Actually, good sir, the simple fact remains that, had the game not had a problem to begin with, there wouldn't have been a need for a solution at all.

See what I did there?

You people are blaming me for something that really has nothing to do with me and my saving habits in the slightest. It has worked for me thus far and I have no reason to change it. Quit being dumb - seriously.

How does that invalidate my statement?

If you insist on keeping a bare handful of savegames when playing a game, you are playing with fire, and eventually you will be burnt. And now you were, and will be again.

I have lost count over the years of how many such incidents I have read about, where someone is forced to start over because they did not keep enough savegames. It happens all the time, and it will keep happening.

That said, I was not blaming you for the problem you find. There is indeed a bug, and it is a rather bad one (especially since it wasn't fixed). However, you must understand that even without this bug there are many situations where you would need to have a good array of savegames, in any number of games (the more complex the game, the more important it is).

To put it simply: a best practice when playing complex games is to make frequent saves, and to keep several savegames. You refuse to do so at your own risk.

Itkovian

[Last Darkness]

Pettytheft wrote...

Last Darkness wrote...


Wow I want to live in your world where all software is perfect.        /sarcasm

Ohh please. You're missing the entire point.  I don't mind workarounds. I had to go back and redo the mines myself. But that was on the games release. Not 4 months later. I didn't have any problems with Origins and the bugs I encountered but Awakenings was a beta product at best. It was rushed to release and it had several obvious bugs that people were left hanging with for months. Meanwhile we get additional DLC, new announcements and they don't bother to fix the original product. I just expect more from a developer like BioWare. I don't remember the last time I played a game with such obvious broken content as Awakenings. Maybe a MMO but that's to be expected.

Fair enough, Im not one to say anything though since ive only been affected by the Sigruns quest not triggering, and blackblade armor bugs.  Ive never had the silver mines issues so my comments dont mean much lol
As a game designer myself though soem of the issues are very simple fixes and others are rather complicated. The silver mines bug has so many variables its a nightmare.  One of my favorites is if any of your characters are Arcane warriors in heavy armors and weapons that you will always lose their gear because the doppleganger is a mage not a arcane warrior and cant equip that stuff.

[Kastagir]

This bickering is pointless - and it's why Bioware likely doesn't read these threads. The issue has been reported. The solution is not to make several saves, but doing so is a work-around. The solution is for Bioware to fix the bug.



Either QA missed it *and* Bioware employees are ignorant enough not to know about it because they don't follow these forums or they absolutely know about it but have chosen not to fix it for one reason or another. Neither explanation is acceptable in my opinion and is why they will get no more $ from me until they get their act together.

[They call me a SpaceCowboy]

Itkovian wrote...

Kaduos wrote...

Itkovian wrote...

The simple fact remains that, had you kept regular saves in separate slots, the solution would have been substantially simpler.
Regardless of the nature of the bug, or even if there is no bug at all, it always is best to keep a plethora of savegames. There are any number of situations where it might come in handy.
That said, it is good that an alternate solution was provided.
Itkovian

Actually, good sir, the simple fact remains that, had the game not had a problem to begin with, there wouldn't have been a need for a solution at all.

See what I did there?

You people are blaming me for something that really has nothing to do with me and my saving habits in the slightest. It has worked for me thus far and I have no reason to change it. Quit being dumb - seriously.

How does that invalidate my statement?

If you insist on keeping a bare handful of savegames when playing a game, you are playing with fire, and eventually you will be burnt. And now you were, and will be again.

I have lost count over the years of how many such incidents I have read about, where someone is forced to start over because they did not keep enough savegames. It happens all the time, and it will keep happening.

That said, I was not blaming you for the problem you find. There is indeed a bug, and it is a rather bad one (especially since it wasn't fixed). However, you must understand that even without this bug there are many situations where you would need to have a good array of savegames, in any number of games (the more complex the game, the more important it is).

To put it simply: a best practice when playing complex games is to make frequent saves, and to keep several savegames. You refuse to do so at your own risk.

Itkovian

This..

Saving your work is always a good idea when using any computer and any software. it;'s common sense.

If you are writing a 100 page paper for university do you write it all in one go without ever saving? After all, your operating system is supposed to be perfect since it was released, right?

or maybe the power goes out, laptop battery dies, cat yanks out a cable.. anythign could ahppen. This is why you make saves. not just as a 'work around' of some bug.

[Gorath Alpha]

First off, I resent being accused of having created any bug anywhere the past decade or so.  I am a game player, and this game has run just fine for me on four enirely different PCs, no CTDs, no BSODs, no freezes, no game crashes at all.  It's not MY bug!  Read the description of the forum.  It's for gamers.  It's not for anyone to contact EA through, not at all.  I'm a gamer, not a Bioware or an EA employee, so why accuse me of bug making in th efirst place? 

The OP is acting out the part of a Welfare Democrat, wanting everyone else to do all his work for him.  Those never change, and will step in front of a bus some day "because it has to stop", and we'll not have to worry with him any more, but they reproduce so very rapidly.  Natural Selection will eventually rid us of the nonproducers if we just stop supporting their idiotic demands. 

Meanwhile, this thread, IMO, is no longer about the game or even about any real technical problem, being at the philosophical or political level now, and is thus no longer topical for this forum. 

Modifié par Gorath Alpha, 22 août 2010 - 05:47 .

[Kaduos]

What the hell are you talking about? Why are you here? Why did you post in this thread?

You should have just stayed out of it, Gorath, because what you said is quite dumb. I'm amazed at how many stupid people this thread has drawn. The issue was solved the day I made this post, and yet here you all are still giving me crap for the decisions I've made.

Seriously, lay off. Get a grip. Grow up. End of discussion.

Modifié par Kaduos, 22 août 2010 - 06:00 .

[Kastagir]

Gorath Alpha wrote...

The OP is acting out the part of a Welfare Democrat, wanting everyone else to do all his work for him. 

"Welfare Democrat?"  That's it, I'm outta here.

Seriously, man, this isn't the place for such arguments.  The OP had a legitimate issue, it has been addressed as well as it can be by the community.  There's no need to continue this any further.