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[Mystranna Kelteel]

Adriana22 wrote...
And is Shepard a good leader, if she/he leads 13 peopla against entire space station of aliens ?

1) Shepard also had the backing and funding of a hugely influential group (Cerberus)
2) Shepard led this assault in defence of the humans who were being kidnapped and murdered

Garrus led an OFFENSIVE strike on an entire space station without the backing or funding or equipment of another group, and he had no reason to go on that mission to Omega other than stroking his ego.

So, yes, Shepard trying to save humanity is a little better than a douchebag setting off to kill people he disagrees with, solely because he disagrees with them.

[tj987654321]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
What point? This is all opinions we are arguing about. Your "facts" aren't going to make us hate or like him anymore then we do now.

We're having a discussion of opinions here, child.

Only an idiot has an opinion without having "points" to offer to support said opinion.

Everyone has an opinion; it's just that mine is right and yours is wrong!

[Adriana22]

Barquiel wrote...

Adriana22 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

It was a risky operation from the start.

I think it was a pointless operation. What was the final goal...kill every Eclipse, Bloodpack and Blue Sun merc in the galaxy?

Yes ! And what a pointless operation, picking 11 or 12 people and try to save galaxy ! 

Shep has a clear end goal.
a) stop Saren
stop the collectors
Shep has the support of
- the alliance/council
- Cerberus
(technology + intelligence)

Garrus...wants to take out every merc gang? with no backup?
Something had to go wrong.

You don't know that. And neither do I. Nothing would PROBABLY go wrong if Sidonis would not betray him. But we can not know for sure.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Barquiel wrote...

Adriana22 wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

Jack Package wrote...

It was a risky operation from the start.

I think it was a pointless operation. What was the final goal...kill every Eclipse, Bloodpack and Blue Sun merc in the galaxy?

Yes ! And what a pointless operation, picking 11 or 12 people and try to save galaxy ! 

Shep has a clear end goal.
a) stop Saren
stop the collectors
Shep has the support of
- the alliance/council
- Cerberus
(technology + intelligence)

Garrus...wants to take out every merc gang? with no backup?
Something had to go wrong.

Well. He just wanted to protect the people who were being oppressed by the merc gangs. He seemed to be doing okay for a while before one of his own betrayed him.

[fortunesque]

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.



I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

[poisonoustea]

I love Garrus, but when I discovered you could win his gratitude by acting Paragon in his loyalty mission I was disappointed. In my playthrough I tried to talk to him and he wouldn't listen, so I let him kill Sidonis.

I regret letting him do that of course, but hey, he's a grown up now. He's still my buddy, but if he ever blames me for that mistake of his, I'll seriously kick him out of the Normandy. His lack of maturity has been a huge let-down to me; in that regard, he's no better than Miranda.

[tj987654321]

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Adriana22 wrote...
And is Shepard a good leader, if she/he leads 13 peopla against entire space station of aliens ?

1) Shepard also had the backing and funding of a hugely influential group (Cerberus)
2) Shepard led this assault in defence of the humans who were being kidnapped and murdered

Garrus led an OFFENSIVE strike on an entire space station without the backing or funding or equipment of another group, and he had no reason to go on that mission to Omega other than stroking his ego.

So, yes, Shepard trying to save humanity is a little better than a douchebag setting off to kill people he disagrees with, solely because he disagrees with them.

No offense but have you ever thought the reason why he turned down Spectre training and C-SEC to lead an offensive was not just because of his ego but because he was just clearly pissed off at everything thats happened in his life?

Think about it. He has a ****ty relationship with his father. He wanted to make a real difference in the galaxy by joining shepard. Shepard is pretty much his mentor and possibly his only true friend hes had in a while. And after helping saving the galaxy all of a sudden his best mentor/friend gets blown out of oblivion and the council was "dismissing" everything shepard had fought for. How wouldn't that ****** him off? So basically he went to Omega and was angry about how some of the good people there were being treated so he decided to fight back.

And no he doesn't just "kill people he disagrees with." He kills people because they are dirtbag criminals themselves.

[Sialater]

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

I see no reason to start bashing another character just to support Garrus. 

[fortunesque]

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

Again, I said it's silly to assume that *everyone* likes a character just because they're popular. 

Edit: Also, what Sia said.

Modifié par fortunesque, 19 août 2010 - 09:41 .

[poisonoustea]

Garrus led an OFFENSIVE strike on an entire space station without the backing or funding or equipment of another group, and he had no reason to go on that mission to Omega other than stroking his ego.

He's a Turian. Their sense of duty is much stronger than that of humans.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fortunesque wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

Again, I said it's silly to assume that *everyone* likes a character just because they're popular. 

I like garrus for who he is, not becuase hes popular.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No offense but have you ever thought the reason why he turned down Spectre training and C-SEC to lead an offensive was not just because of his ego but because he was just clearly pissed off at everything thats happened in his life?

Think about it. He has a ****ty relationship with his father. He wanted to make a real difference in the galaxy by joining shepard. Shepard is pretty much his mentor and possibly his only true friend hes had in a while. And after helping saving the galaxy all of a sudden his best mentor/friend gets blown out of oblivion and the council was "dismissing" everything shepard had fought for. How wouldn't that ****** him off? So basically he went to Omega and was angry about how some of the good people there were being treated so he decided to fight back.

And no he doesn't just "kill people he disagrees with." He kills people because they are dirtbag criminals themselves.

Wow. So you think "I'm so angry! I'm going to go kill people!!!" is better than "I'm really good at killing people; I should go kill some people with a group of friends!"?

He thinks those people are "dirtbag criminals". He thinks so without even meeting them. Maybe he had a story or two about some of the gangs' exploits, but that doesn't make his journey to kill them any less stupid of an idea. Both of those motivations are shallow, reckless, and stupid.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 19 août 2010 - 09:43 .

[Andaius20]

Forst1999 wrote...

There is no possible reason to dislike Garrus. Except one hates what other people like...

Hmmm this reasoning seems to be familar some how.....

[Barquiel]

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

...and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire<_<

[Sialater]

fortunesque wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

Again, I said it's silly to assume that *everyone* likes a character just because they're popular. 

Edit: Also, what Sia said.

Thank you, Fort.  You and I may not agree on the OT , but I'm going to leave this flamewar in the making alone now, just saw no reason to see one of my favorite characters bashed to support the other one.

[fortunesque]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

Again, I said it's silly to assume that *everyone* likes a character just because they're popular. 

I like garrus for who he is, not becuase hes popular.

I didn't say that. The assumption that there's nobody that dislikes him and everyone loves him is silly, which was the premise of the OP.

[poisonoustea]

and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire

You can also finish the game without recruiting Garrus

[tj987654321]

poisonoustea wrote...

I love Garrus, but when I discovered you could win his gratitude by acting Paragon in his loyalty mission I was disappointed. In my playthrough I tried to talk to him and he wouldn't listen, so I let him kill Sidonis.
I regret letting him do that of course, but hey, he's a grown up now. He's still my buddy, but if he ever blames me for that mistake of his, I'll seriously kick him out of the Normandy. His lack of maturity has been a huge let-down to me; in that regard, he's no better than Miranda.

I would kick him out of the Normandy, too, if he blamed me for his actions. However, Garrus is not that type of character. The reason why he is in this mess to begin with is because he feels guilty and responsible for their deaths.

[kaskouka]

Because Garrus is a friend of mine .. Garrus is my friend !

Modifié par kaskouka, 19 août 2010 - 09:45 .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

poisonoustea wrote...
You can also finish the game without recruiting Garrus

But that doesn't make any difference in ME2 other than changing the greeting on Omega and removing Garrus's mentions of his work in stopping Saren.

BioWare likes making our choices irrelevant.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No offense but have you ever thought the reason why he turned down Spectre training and C-SEC to lead an offensive was not just because of his ego but because he was just clearly pissed off at everything thats happened in his life?

Think about it. He has a ****ty relationship with his father. He wanted to make a real difference in the galaxy by joining shepard. Shepard is pretty much his mentor and possibly his only true friend hes had in a while. And after helping saving the galaxy all of a sudden his best mentor/friend gets blown out of oblivion and the council was "dismissing" everything shepard had fought for. How wouldn't that ****** him off? So basically he went to Omega and was angry about how some of the good people there were being treated so he decided to fight back.

And no he doesn't just "kill people he disagrees with." He kills people because they are dirtbag criminals themselves.

Wow. So you think "I'm so angry! I'm going to go kill people!!!" is better than "I'm really good at killing people; I should go kill some people with a group of friends!"?

He thinks those people are "dirtbag criminals". He thinks so without even meeting them. Maybe he had a story or two about some of the gangs' exploits, but that doesn't make his journey to kill them any more stupid of an idea. Both of those motivations are shallow, reckless, and stupid.

No. Its more like "I'm pissed off that these people are able to get away with these horrible crimes and I want to fight back."

Hes not a serial killer going on a rampage killing random people walking down the street. He thought he had a sense of duty to protect the well being of the people living on Omega. And since there is no system of law or justice in omega he wanted to make a difference there.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 19 août 2010 - 09:47 .

[tj987654321]

Sorry, double post.

Modifié par tj987654321, 19 août 2010 - 09:46 .

[poisonoustea]

However, Garrus is not that type of character.

I seriously hope so. But you know, I get that feeling in the back of my head - which is probably due to my disappointment. (And that's why I love Mass Effect btw. Characters feel so damn real.)

Modifié par poisonoustea, 19 août 2010 - 09:48 .