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[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fortunesque wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

Again, I said it's silly to assume that *everyone* likes a character just because they're popular. 

I like garrus for who he is, not becuase hes popular.

I didn't say that. The assumption that there's nobody that dislikes him and everyone loves him is silly, which was the premise of the OP.

True. But most of us garrus fans like him because of his character and personality, not just because hes popular.

And I really think a mod should lock this before it gets out of hand.

[tj987654321]

Barquiel wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

...and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire<_<

Even if he lives, he is barely in ME 2; I actually liked him and wish he had a greater role in this game.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No. Its more like "I'm pissed off that these people are able to get away with these horrible crimes and I want to fight back."

Hes not a serial killer going on a rampage killing random people walking down the street. He thought he had a sense of duty to protect the well being of the people living on Omega. And since there is no system of law or justice in omega he wanted to make a difference there.

He definitely sounds like a serial killer on a rampage, what with his "All I have to do is point and shoot" type dialogue.

A lot of serial killers feel they are right in killing their victims. Maybe Garrus is delusional as well as reckless.

[Barquiel]

poisonoustea wrote...

and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire

You can also finish the game without recruiting Garrus

I know, but the arguement "everyone loves Tali and Garrus...Garrus and Tali are in ME2" is ridiculous.

Wrex was THE fan favorite in ME1 (he won the "Best Sidekick of the Year" award from Official Xbox Magazine if ME wiki is right^_^)...cameo land
Why? Virmire...

Modifié par Barquiel, 19 août 2010 - 09:51 .

[Clover Rider]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No offense but have you ever thought the reason why he turned down Spectre training and C-SEC to lead an offensive was not just because of his ego but because he was just clearly pissed off at everything thats happened in his life?

Think about it. He has a ****ty relationship with his father. He wanted to make a real difference in the galaxy by joining shepard. Shepard is pretty much his mentor and possibly his only true friend hes had in a while. And after helping saving the galaxy all of a sudden his best mentor/friend gets blown out of oblivion and the council was "dismissing" everything shepard had fought for. How wouldn't that ****** him off? So basically he went to Omega and was angry about how some of the good people there were being treated so he decided to fight back.

And no he doesn't just "kill people he disagrees with." He kills people because they are dirtbag criminals themselves.

Wow. So you think "I'm so angry! I'm going to go kill people!!!" is better than "I'm really good at killing people; I should go kill some people with a group of friends!"?

He thinks those people are "dirtbag criminals". He thinks so without even meeting them. Maybe he had a story or two about some of the gangs' exploits, but that doesn't make his journey to kill them any more stupid of an idea. Both of those motivations are shallow, reckless, and stupid.

No. Its more like "I'm pissed off that these people are able to get away with these horrible crimes and I want to fight back."

Hes not a serial killer going on a rampage killing random people walking down the street. He thought he had a sense of duty to protect the well being of the people living on Omega. And since there is no system of law or justice in omega he wanted to make a difference there.

I don't think he/she is a fan of Batman and anyone who hates Garrus is a fool :innocent:.

[poisonoustea]

He definitely sounds like a serial killer on a rampage, what with his "All I have to do is point and shoot" type dialogue.



A lot of serial killers feel they are right in killing their victims. Maybe Garrus is delusional as well as reckless.

Again - Garrus is a Turian. He's an *alien*. Turians reason differently than humans.

[tj987654321]

Sialater wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I don't like Garrus. He's my least favorite squadmate.

I find it strange that people make assumptions just from general trends. It's kind of silly to assume that a character is universally liked just because they're popular.

Garrus does appeal to most people. While no character from any series is universally accepted, just look at who is in ME 2 from ME 1's party; Tali and Garrus. Sorry, Kaidan Alenko.

I see no reason to start bashing another character just to support Garrus. 

Kaidan Alenko was one of my favorite characters from ME, beside Liara and Garrus. Sad that he didn't have a good role in ME 2. I haven't dealt well with his dismissal

Modifié par tj987654321, 19 août 2010 - 09:53 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No. Its more like "I'm pissed off that these people are able to get away with these horrible crimes and I want to fight back."

Hes not a serial killer going on a rampage killing random people walking down the street. He thought he had a sense of duty to protect the well being of the people living on Omega. And since there is no system of law or justice in omega he wanted to make a difference there.

He definitely sounds like a serial killer on a rampage, what with his "All I have to do is point and shoot" type dialogue.

A lot of serial killers feel they are right in killing their victims. Maybe Garrus is delusional as well as reckless.

Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

[fortunesque]

Barquiel wrote...

poisonoustea wrote...

and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire

You can also finish the game without recruiting Garrus

I know, but the arguement "everyone loves Tali and Garrus...Garrus and Tali are in ME2" is ridiculous.

Wrex was THE fan favorite in ME1 (he won the "Best Sidekick of the Year" award from Official Xbox Magazine if ME wiki is right^_^)...cameo land
Why? Virmire...

I'd also like to point out that it's extremely likely that popularity didn't determine who was a returning squadmate in ME2. Liara was and still is incredibly popular and was cut from the game. She was a good candidate for a squadmate because she couldn't die and had to be recruited in all games. The devs have been quoted as saying that they saved the VS and Liara for ME3 and that they'll be in the game and that they can't say the same for the ME2 squadmates. Wrex was conspicuously absent from that quote.

So, popularity isn't a key factor. They've got something planned and we'll have to wait until ME3 to see what it is. 

Modifié par fortunesque, 19 août 2010 - 09:55 .

[Clover Rider]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
No. Its more like "I'm pissed off that these people are able to get away with these horrible crimes and I want to fight back."

Hes not a serial killer going on a rampage killing random people walking down the street. He thought he had a sense of duty to protect the well being of the people living on Omega. And since there is no system of law or justice in omega he wanted to make a difference there.

He definitely sounds like a serial killer on a rampage, what with his "All I have to do is point and shoot" type dialogue.

A lot of serial killers feel they are right in killing their victims. Maybe Garrus is delusional as well as reckless.

Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He saves lives that evil man:wizard:.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 19 août 2010 - 09:54 .

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

So you let a kid die how are you any better .

[poisonoustea]

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shooted at what he thought was a witless idiot.

Shepard also kills freelancers in that mission.

[tj987654321]

fortunesque wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

poisonoustea wrote...

and that has nothing to do with the fact that Kaidan can die on Virmire

You can also finish the game without recruiting Garrus

I know, but the arguement "everyone loves Tali and Garrus...Garrus and Tali are in ME2" is ridiculous.

Wrex was THE fan favorite in ME1 (he won the "Best Sidekick of the Year" award from Official Xbox Magazine if ME wiki is right^_^)...cameo land
Why? Virmire...

I'd also like to point out that it's extremely likely that popularity didn't determine who was a returning squadmate in ME2. Liara was and still is incredibly popular and was cut from the game. She was a good candidate for a squadmate because she couldn't die and had to be recruited in all games. The devs have been quoted as saying that they saved the VS and Liara for ME3 and that they'll be in the game and that they can't say the same for the ME2 squadmates. Wrex was conspicuously absent from that quote.

So, popularity isn't a key factor. They've got something planned and we'll have to wait until ME3 to see what it is. 

We are waiting for Lair of the Shadow Broker. Maybe she was so popular that Bioware felt that they needed to charge extra for her!

Modifié par tj987654321, 19 août 2010 - 09:57 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Some Geth wrote...
So you let a kid die how are you any better .

Nah, I always break the kid's gun. I was just using him as an example.

Garrus goes into Omega and creates a huge fiasco. He should have known the depths to which these gangs would sink in stopping him.

He created these problems and he is directly responsible for the consequences of his actions. He shows no remorse. He just gets angry that someone betrayed him and swears revenge.

[tj987654321]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

You're evil for not preventing him for getting killed. Garrus was defending himself!

[Adriana22]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

It's useless, she's not going to listen. Other ppl have kinda .. convincing arguments, but Mystranna is just full of hate.

[tj987654321]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


Nah, I always break the kid's gun. I was just using him as an example.

Garrus goes into Omega and creates a huge fiasco. He should have known the depths to which these gangs would sink in stopping him.

He created these problems and he is directly responsible for the consequences of his actions. He shows no remorse. He just gets angry that someone betrayed him and swears revenge.

How do you know that he dies then??

[Barquiel]

tj987654321 wrote...

We are waiting for Lair of the Shadow Broker. Maybe she was so popular that Bioware felt that they needed to charge extra for her!

indeed^_^

Well, she's getting special treatment (no squadmate, but comic and DLC), that's for sure.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Adriana22 wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

It's useless, she's not going to listen. Other ppl have kinda .. convincing arguments, but Mystranna is just full of hate.

And calling her out will help out how?

[Andaius20]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Your taking that line out of context. When he says "All I have to do is point and shoot" hes basically talking about how Omega is literally overrun with criminals. He was there trying to protect regular people from those who wanted to hurt them.

He was also there killing regular people who got swept up in the involvement, as seen by the young mercenary kid who joined up for the wrong reasons.

Yeah, maybe he shouldn't have joined up, but he was young and foolish and just a regular guy chasing glory, no different from Garrus himself. And now he's dead because Garrus pointed and shot at what he thought was a witless idiot.

So he should just let that kid in there and murder him...nice plan..For what ever reason he did in fact join up. I would be pointing my figer at you more because your shepard didn't stop that very kid.....

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

Oh no he is cool now I hate him .

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Adriana22 wrote...
It's useless, she's not going to listen. Other ppl have kinda .. convincing arguments, but Mystranna is just full of hate.

I've backed up every point I've made. I'm not just a simple "hater".

I hate Garrus for who he is, not because he's popular and I'm "full of hate".