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[Andaius20]

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

[Barquiel]

Adriana22 wrote...

It's useless, she's not going to listen. Other ppl have kinda .. convincing arguments, but Mystranna is just full of hate.

You wanted to know why people "hate" Garrus...and now you're complaining??

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Some Geth wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

Oh no he is cool now I hate him .

See, that's what I don't understand about you guys. Apparently you find recklessness to be "cool".

And Garrus is no Batman. Batman had genius-level intelligence, cutting edge technology, and was actually successful.

Garrus is essentially those tools in The Dark Knight who go out in their Batman pajamas and get killed by the Joker. Those guys aren't cool; they're reckless saps.

[Clover Rider]

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

She loves her people that evil woman:wizard:.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

You didn't answer the question. Thats fine. And yes, perhaps he did end up in a ****storm. But basically most of his life without being around shepard was a ****storm. If it wasn't for one of his own betraying him he would most likely be in a better position then he was when we found him. And yes he does care about the people on Omega. He even says that in one of his conversations if you actually payed attention.

Modifié par Mr.BlazenGlazen, 19 août 2010 - 10:06 .

[Andaius20]

Also I don't think Garrus went into Omega thinking he would completely Destroy everyone, he was just trying to help the "innocents" by hindering them the only way he could. He must have been pretty effective at it if like they did they teamed up to kill him.

[tj987654321]

tj987654321 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


Nah, I always break the kid's gun. I was just using him as an example.

Garrus goes into Omega and creates a huge fiasco. He should have known the depths to which these gangs would sink in stopping him.

He created these problems and he is directly responsible for the consequences of his actions. He shows no remorse. He just gets angry that someone betrayed him and swears revenge.

How do you know that he dies then??

Just to tell you, I never said that Garrus is a good turian; just a good character. Guilt and fear has clouded his judgment. Don't forget, " Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering." This, in turn, leads to the DARK SIDE!

[fortunesque]

Some Geth wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

She loves her people that evil woman:wizard:.

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

Reason Number 1:
Her actions in ME1 when you don't give her the geth data. She whines and carries on about how once the mission is over she is leaving the Normandy, and then she refuses to talk to Shepard for the rest of the game except for the biting little "Oh, are you checking up on me? I'm still here." comment.

Reason Number 2:
In ME2 she asks Shepard to hide war crimes and treason that caused the deaths of civilians from a people's ruling body just to protect her dead father. And when Shepard does what is morally right in revealing said crimes to the people she whines and carries on about Shepard isn't her friend because she didn't do exactly as Tali wanted. She doesn't listen to reason; she's just pissy because you didn't do what she wanted.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fortunesque wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

She loves her people that evil woman:wizard:.

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

I really don't think anyone here in that same position would have done anything different.

[jellobell]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Adriana22 wrote...
It's useless, she's not going to listen. Other ppl have kinda .. convincing arguments, but Mystranna is just full of hate.

I've backed up every point I've made. I'm not just a simple "hater".

I hate Garrus for who he is, not because he's popular and I'm "full of hate".

Yup, you're fully entitled to your opinion and interpretation of the character, however this has ceased to be a discussion and is now only a couple of people restating their arguments.

Oh dear, and now this seems to have turned into a Tali thread, these never end well.

Modifié par jellobell, 19 août 2010 - 10:09 .

[poisonoustea]

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

Well, in fact he was thwarting criminal deeds in a place where everyone was a victim to these organizations. I think you're mistaking recklessness with courage. Also, as I already said twice before (walls of text inevitably swallow short posts), Garrus is a Turian. Turians have a different mindset. His motivations and his reasoning are different than that of a human. His sense of duty is stronger and so his will to do justice. But you have a point; I was disappointed in Garrus, but because of what I saw as a simple lack of maturity, not the delusional attitude of a madman.

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

Oh no he is cool now I hate him .

See, that's what I don't understand about you guys. Apparently you find recklessness to be "cool".

And Garrus is no Batman. Batman had genius-level intelligence, cutting edge technology, and was actually successful.

Garrus is essentially those tools in The Dark Knight who go out in their Batman pajamas and get killed by the Joker. Those guys aren't cool; they're reckless saps.

I love this guy in Street Fighter  so what do you think?and no he is far from the fools in the Dark Knight :innocent:.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

tj987654321 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


Nah, I always break the kid's gun. I was just using him as an example.

Garrus goes into Omega and creates a huge fiasco. He should have known the depths to which these gangs would sink in stopping him.

He created these problems and he is directly responsible for the consequences of his actions. He shows no remorse. He just gets angry that someone betrayed him and swears revenge.

How do you know that he dies then??

I have multiple Shepards. When I say "always" I mean "with my canon Shepard".

[fortunesque]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

She loves her people that evil woman:wizard:.

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

I really don't think anyone here in that same position would have done anything different.

Yeah, but it's still selfish and it's asking Shepard (as a representative to the Council) to lie to a foreign government... 

[Mystranna Kelteel]

poisonoustea wrote...
Well, in fact he was thwarting criminal deeds in a place where everyone was a victim to these organizations. I think you're mistaking recklessness with courage. Also, as I already said twice before (walls of text inevitably swallow short posts), Garrus is a Turian. Turians have a different mindset. His motivations and his reasoning are different than that of a human. His sense of duty is stronger and so his will to do justice. But you have a point; I was disappointed in Garrus, but because of what I saw as a simple lack of maturity, not the delusional attitude of a madman.

I think you're mistaking courage from recklessness. It is a fine line.

I see no logical reason to think that Garrus honeslty expected to succeed. He could not have succeeded against all those people on Omega; that's recklessness.

Modifié par Mystranna Kelteel, 19 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[poisonoustea]

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

Not exactly. Revealing her father's discoveries would lead to the Quarian unity to crumble, and probably a war against the Geth. Hiding that information is for the greater good. Tali's father was an important political figure among the Quarian; his reputation is far more than Tali's matter.

Modifié par poisonoustea, 19 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[adriano_c]

Don't really care for the character.



Seemed totally anonymous/useless in the first game, and became a wannabe Steven Seagal in the second one.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
I really don't think anyone here in that same position would have done anything different.

It's more than simply what she requests, but how she behaves when you deny her request. She acts like a spoiled, selfish brat.

[Andaius20]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...
Ok, put yourself in his position. All of the mercenary and criminal organizations team up to take you down. To get extra help they decide to put a bounty on your head to hire freelancers. Those freelancers want to kill you just for the money, despite what type of person you are. What would you do? Just let them shoot you repeatedly or fight back?

He created that situation and does nothing but spout off one-liners when he kills them. It's a testament to his arrogance and recklessness. He didn't have much of a plan in assaulting Omega, and he doesn't really care about the people there.

If he did then maybe he would have put more thought into his assault.

Oh no he is cool now I hate him .

See, that's what I don't understand about you guys. Apparently you find recklessness to be "cool".

And Garrus is no Batman. Batman had genius-level intelligence, cutting edge technology, and was actually successful.

Garrus is essentially those tools in The Dark Knight who go out in their Batman pajamas and get killed by the Joker. Those guys aren't cool; they're reckless saps.

last time I checked, Garrus has milirtary training, has tactical combat leadership experiance, was the top hand to hand expert on his ship whe nhe was in the military. All his crew was ex- military, or private security. They had good gear, and tactical planning. They where successful enough to make 3 galaxtic Mercenary bands team up dispit the mall hating each other to first find and pay off Sidonis, then ambush his team while he was away. Then they hired waves and waves of independant mercs at wha twas it 500 credits a pop to go in just for a distraction.

I don't see how that compares to the Pajama batman wannabe's.

Modifié par Andaius20, 19 août 2010 - 10:11 .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fortunesque wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

Some Geth wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

She loves her people that evil woman:wizard:.

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

I really don't think anyone here in that same position would have done anything different.

Yeah, but it's still selfish and it's asking Shepard (as a representative to the Council) to lie to a foreign government... 

True. But remember that email that you get when you didn't tell them what happened? One of the generals said that he was going to finish what Tali's father started. So basically she would have been exiled for nothing.

[tj987654321]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Andaius20 wrote...

Also Tali selfish? Seems a little hard to fathom. What are you reason for that?

Reason Number 1:
Her actions in ME1 when you don't give her the geth data. She whines and carries on about how once the mission is over she is leaving the Normandy, and then she refuses to talk to Shepard for the rest of the game except for the biting little "Oh, are you checking up on me? I'm still here." comment.

Reason Number 2:
In ME2 she asks Shepard to hide war crimes and treason that caused the deaths of civilians from a people's ruling body just to protect her dead father. And when Shepard does what is morally right in revealing said crimes to the people she whines and carries on about Shepard isn't her friend because she didn't do exactly as Tali wanted. She doesn't listen to reason; she's just pissy because you didn't do what she wanted.

Reason number 2 is not a good reason, because this is one of her more unselfish choices.  She is trying to protect her father's reputation from being ruined, even though he was not a good father to her.

[Barquiel]

poisonoustea wrote...

She asks Shepard to hide war crimes from the governing body of her people to preserve her father's memory. Yeah, it sucks, but it's treasonous to withhold that information.

Not exactly. Revealing her father's discoveries would lead to the Quarian unity to crumble, and probably a was against the Geth. Hiding that information is for the greater good.

...and Admiral Xen can continue the experiments because nobody knows anything. I wouldn't call it "for the greater good"

[Mystranna Kelteel]

tj987654321 wrote...
Reason number 2 is not a good reason, because this is one of her more unselfish choices.  She is trying to protect her father's reputation from being ruined, even though he was not a good father to her.

And when you refuse to follow her orders she claims you are not her friend, regardless of what your reasoning was in exposing her father.

It is a good reason. Tali has no idea what true friendship is if she thinks a real friend would just do whatever she wants, be it giving her the geth data in ME1 or hiding war crimes in ME2.

[tj987654321]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...


Nah, I always break the kid's gun. I was just using him as an example.

Garrus goes into Omega and creates a huge fiasco. He should have known the depths to which these gangs would sink in stopping him.

He created these problems and he is directly responsible for the consequences of his actions. He shows no remorse. He just gets angry that someone betrayed him and swears revenge.

How do you know that he dies then??

I have multiple Shepards. When I say "always" I mean "with my canon Shepard".

I have over 10 Shepards; 8 on the PC and 2 on the Xbox. I have NEVER let that innocent kid die. I didn't even know he died until someone mentioned it on this forum.