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[Mystranna Kelteel]

Some Geth wrote...
And I don't care she is into a lot of odd crap but you like her for it so why do you care who anyone likes .

Eh? Are you trying to tie this back to Garrus now or something?

Are you asking me why I care that people like Garrus if I realize that everyone has their own peculiar tastes like my fondness for Kelly?

If that's what you're asking the simple answer is: I don't. I don't care if you like Garrus. But this thread asked if there was anyone who doesn't. I posted in here to say that I despise him and from there I was merely backing up my viewpoint.

[Dinkamus_Littlelog]

tj987654321 wrote...

Stupid question: if you disliked ME 2 so much, why are you posting in a forum for the likeability of Garrus? Go to the ME 2 haters thread!

Read the OP again. I answered the question, and your butt began to hurt because of the answer I gave.

Just apply some cream in future, instead of crying about "haters". I dont know if you knew, but haters dont get games at discount prices, so that makes our opinions just as valid as the fanboys. I liked ME1, but I never cried about the "haters" who cried in the millions for Bioware to dumb the game down and turn it into a Gears clone.

Anyway, I dont like Garrus, or most of the ME2 squad for that matter. That answered the OPs question with opinions to spare as well. Deal with it.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Well, I knew this thread was going to crash and burn eventually.

[tj987654321]

fortunesque wrote...

I love how this has turned into "you guys must be renegades and all renegades are evil". Really? That's about the most silly argument I've ever seen.

Again, my dislike of both Garrus and Tali comes from the fact that they have a blatant disregard for rules and law. That doesn't sit well with me. And though I don't like either of them, I kept them alive in hopes that maybe ME3 will change my mind about them.

Renergades are evil. If you choose every single renegade choice, for example, you save a serial killer (Morinth) and let an Asari who stands for justice (Samara) die.

[tj987654321]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

Well, I knew this thread was going to crash and burn eventually.

We crashed a long time ago. Now we are LOST on the island. Only six seasons to find out that we are all dead!

Modifié par tj987654321, 19 août 2010 - 10:57 .

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
And I don't care she is into a lot of odd crap but you like her for it so why do you care who anyone likes .

Eh? Are you trying to tie this back to Garrus now or something?

Are you asking me why I care that people like Garrus if I realize that everyone has their own peculiar tastes like my fondness for Kelly?

If that's what you're asking the simple answer is: I don't. I don't care if you like Garrus. But this thread asked if there was anyone who doesn't. I posted in here to say that I despise him and from there I was merely backing up my viewpoint.

So you hate Garrus for the way he is but not Kelly?

[fortunesque]

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I love how this has turned into "you guys must be renegades and all renegades are evil". Really? That's about the most silly argument I've ever seen.

Again, my dislike of both Garrus and Tali comes from the fact that they have a blatant disregard for rules and law. That doesn't sit well with me. And though I don't like either of them, I kept them alive in hopes that maybe ME3 will change my mind about them.

Say what you want about them but the truth is they want to stick with Shepard until the very end, maybe Garrus more then Tali. And really the thing about Garrus is that he still kind of looks up to shepard as a mentor. So when you give him some **** about what he did on Omega and have him not kill Sidonis you might also be shaping him into a better character in Mass Effect DLC/ Mass Effect 3.

He joined Shepard because he kind of took a rocket to the face and had nothing going on. Tali then joined later because she was freed up. Other characters were purposefully written to be busy so as to not be recruitable. 

I don't see where Garrus has declared devotion to Shepard other than it's another awesome adventure to go on. I get the impression that he's come along because he has nothing left to lose and wants to have his crusade, not because he's passionately loyal to Shepard. 

I realize that other people got different vibes from him but that's how it came off to me.

[poisonoustea]

Well, I knew this thread was going to crash and burn eventually.

Sometimes I forget that forums are not suitable for conversation.

[Clover Rider]

ShadowJ20 wrote...

Every ME2 character has anti-fans......

I know and they all suck .

[fortunesque]

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I love how this has turned into "you guys must be renegades and all renegades are evil". Really? That's about the most silly argument I've ever seen.

Again, my dislike of both Garrus and Tali comes from the fact that they have a blatant disregard for rules and law. That doesn't sit well with me. And though I don't like either of them, I kept them alive in hopes that maybe ME3 will change my mind about them.

Renergades are evil. If you choose every single renegade choice, for example, you save a serial killer (Morinth) and let an Asari who stands for justice (Samara) die.

That's a sweeping generalization. Would I say that some key renegade decisions are evil? Yes.

But that doesn't make renegades evil. For example, I had a completely renegade (90%, no exploit) Shepard in ME1 yet I saved the Rachni queen and I saved the council. In ME2, I had an even more renegade character, yet I made decisions that were considered "good". 

So the assumption that all renegades are evil is baseless.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

tj987654321 wrote...
Renergades are evil. If you choose every single renegade choice, for example, you save a serial killer (Morinth) and let an Asari who stands for justice (Samara) die.

Just to play devil's advocate, the renegade fans have always said that they're choices are about "getting the job done" and pragmatism.

Morinth is objectively more powerful than Samara and therefore lends more assistance to the mission.

So you hate Garrus for the way he is but not Kelly?../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png

Um, yes, because "who Kelly is" does not equal a reckless, egotistical douchebag...

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...
Renergades are evil. If you choose every single renegade choice, for example, you save a serial killer (Morinth) and let an Asari who stands for justice (Samara) die.

Just to play devil's advocate, the renegade fans have always said that they're choices are about "getting the job done" and pragmatism.

Morinth is objectively more powerful than Samara and therefore lends more assistance to the mission.

So you hate Garrus for the way he is but not Kelly?../../../images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png

Um, yes, because "who Kelly is" does not equal a reckless, egotistical douchebag...

But he is not and she is into pets .

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

fortunesque wrote...

Mr.BlazenGlazen wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I love how this has turned into "you guys must be renegades and all renegades are evil". Really? That's about the most silly argument I've ever seen.

Again, my dislike of both Garrus and Tali comes from the fact that they have a blatant disregard for rules and law. That doesn't sit well with me. And though I don't like either of them, I kept them alive in hopes that maybe ME3 will change my mind about them.

Say what you want about them but the truth is they want to stick with Shepard until the very end, maybe Garrus more then Tali. And really the thing about Garrus is that he still kind of looks up to shepard as a mentor. So when you give him some **** about what he did on Omega and have him not kill Sidonis you might also be shaping him into a better character in Mass Effect DLC/ Mass Effect 3.

He joined Shepard because he kind of took a rocket to the face and had nothing going on. Tali then joined later because she was freed up. Other characters were purposefully written to be busy so as to not be recruitable. 

I don't see where Garrus has declared devotion to Shepard other than it's another awesome adventure to go on. I get the impression that he's come along because he has nothing left to lose and wants to have his crusade, not because he's passionately loyal to Shepard. 

I realize that other people got different vibes from him but that's how it came off to me.

Actually, when you ask him a question about having any regrets leaving his old life he tells you in both games that he has no regrets. And in Mass Effect 2 he also tells you that he wants to stick with you and the Normandy until the very end.

Really he could have just left any time he wanted to after Shepard fixed his face. He could of went after Sidonis by himself and then disappeared again. That would have been selfish. Instead he decides to be by your side when you fight the Collectors.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

fortunesque wrote...
He joined Shepard because he kind of took a rocket to the face and had nothing going on. Tali then joined later because she was freed up. Other characters were purposefully written to be busy so as to not be recruitable. 

I don't see where Garrus has declared devotion to Shepard other than it's another awesome adventure to go on. I get the impression that he's come along because he has nothing left to lose and wants to have his crusade, not because he's passionately loyal to Shepard. 

I realize that other people got different vibes from him but that's how it came off to me.

Liara is clearly the most loyal in terms of objective fact.

Garrus didn't look for Shepard; Garrus didn't continue in Shepard's place to track down the reapers; Garrus just decided to go fight some drug dealers in some backhole corner of space.
He joined because the writers made it convenient for him to do so, not because he's super loyal and believes in fighting the reapers.

[tj987654321]

fortunesque wrote...

tj987654321 wrote...

fortunesque wrote...

I love how this has turned into "you guys must be renegades and all renegades are evil". Really? That's about the most silly argument I've ever seen.

Again, my dislike of both Garrus and Tali comes from the fact that they have a blatant disregard for rules and law. That doesn't sit well with me. And though I don't like either of them, I kept them alive in hopes that maybe ME3 will change my mind about them.

Renergades are evil. If you choose every single renegade choice, for example, you save a serial killer (Morinth) and let an Asari who stands for justice (Samara) die.

That's a sweeping generalization. Would I say that some key renegade decisions are evil? Yes.

But that doesn't make renegades evil. For example, I had a completely renegade (90%, no exploit) Shepard in ME1 yet I saved the Rachni queen and I saved the council. In ME2, I had an even more renegade character, yet I made decisions that were considered "good". 

So the assumption that all renegades are evil is baseless.

My understanding of Renegades is chosing the renegade choice every time; not having an higher renegade meter.

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

fortunesque wrote...
He joined Shepard because he kind of took a rocket to the face and had nothing going on. Tali then joined later because she was freed up. Other characters were purposefully written to be busy so as to not be recruitable. 

I don't see where Garrus has declared devotion to Shepard other than it's another awesome adventure to go on. I get the impression that he's come along because he has nothing left to lose and wants to have his crusade, not because he's passionately loyal to Shepard. 

I realize that other people got different vibes from him but that's how it came off to me.

Liara is clearly the most loyal in terms of objective fact.

Garrus didn't look for Shepard; Garrus didn't continue in Shepard's place to track down the reapers; Garrus just decided to go fight some drug dealers in some backhole corner of space.
He joined because the writers made it convenient for him to do so, not because he's super loyal and believes in fighting the reapers.

He has a life?

[tj987654321]

Be back soon.

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Some Geth wrote...
But he is not and she is into pets .

Yes, he is, and, no, she is not.

Welcome to the argument 8 pages ago.


But seriously, there is absolutely nothing in the game to make it seem that Kelly brought scale itch on board. That's just you being a mindless, stereotyping sheep. It could have been anyone on board.

Even Miranda is far more likely. She at least leaves the ship. Kelly is never shown outside the Normandy except for when she's abducted. But I'm not saying it was Miranda, either, I'm saying that claiming it to be anyone is 100% idiotic.

[Mr.BlazenGlazen]

Wow. I think I should just leave this thread before I rage.



I've made all of my counter arguments to Garrus hate and all I have to say now is [img]http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:yU0R3ZN0EgJY5M:http://fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/591/736/904/004/haters_gonna_hate.gif&t=1[/img]

[Mystranna Kelteel]

Some Geth wrote...
He has a life?

And that life does not include being loyal to Shepard's cause unless it's perfectly convenient. That's my point.

No offense, but you're lousy at this.

[Clover Rider]

Mystranna Kelteel wrote...

Some Geth wrote...
But he is not and she is into pets .

Yes, he is, and, no, she is not.

Welcome to the argument 8 pages ago.


But seriously, there is absolutely nothing in the game to make it seem that Kelly brought scale itch on board. That's just you being a mindless, stereotyping sheep. It could have been anyone on board.

Even Miranda is far more likely. She at least leaves the ship. Kelly is never shown outside the Normandy except for when she's abducted. But I'm not saying it was Miranda, either, I'm saying that claiming it to be anyone is 100% idiotic.

But Miranda is into human men Kelly loves all and that fits .