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[Retriraver]

Ravenshrike wrote...

If you bought it on Steam you have a product key tab under properties. For that matter, if you had hit Shift+Tab it would have brought them up the first time you entered the game. In point of fact, it nags you about this the first time you start it up. One of the codes registers the game on this site, the others when put in the redeem code box give you your DLCs.

OMG!!! I had no freaking clue that is what the damn keys were for. I thought they were product keys to make the game playable, you know, the keys that they make you enter them so you can play online etc.. There was absolutely no note about free DLC or blood dragon armor... DAMMIT!

Anyone know if a refund is possible?

[Shadow_Viper]

Retriraver wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

And yet another "Omg Bioware/EA are so greedy" DLC whining thread.

It's quite simple. If you do not like the DLCs, don't buy/play them. See? Simple huh.

Either way, there is no need for the whining.

IFSW

If you don't like the discussion, don't click on the topic and instigate.

Oh, and how the hell is someone supposed to know if they like the DLC's? You have to play them to know if you like them or not, and you have to buy them to play them, don't you?

Where did I say I did not like the discussion? I am simply offering my opinions and observations. I invite you to take some reading comprehension classes.

As suggested before, it is possible to do one's homework and find out information on DLC before buying it. Please try to pay attention and actually read posts before just hitting the quote button. Thank you.

[Nosuchluck]

Retriraver wrote...

Ravenshrike wrote...

If you bought it on Steam you have a product key tab under properties. For that matter, if you had hit Shift+Tab it would have brought them up the first time you entered the game. In point of fact, it nags you about this the first time you start it up. One of the codes registers the game on this site, the others when put in the redeem code box give you your DLCs.

OMG!!! I had no freaking clue that is what the damn keys were for. I thought they were product keys to make the game playable, you know, the keys that they make you enter them so you can play online etc.. There was absolutely no note about free DLC or blood dragon armor... DAMMIT!

Anyone know if a refund is possible?

Its says on the back of the game box if you have a physical copy.

Btw - Guys just ignore Shadow Viper the guys just calls everyone he doesn't agree with a whiner

[Affyy]

Retriraver wrote...

Am I the only one who feels like game-makers these days are really milking their customers?

I find it rather dispicable that Bioware made DA:O and released it along with DLC that costs extra money. I can see this as acceptable if they made the DLC after the game release, but it seems like the DLC should have been part of the game anyways. I feel cheated when they basically made the game, then blocked part of the game out and make you pay extra money for it. Basically what they have done is charged you $25.00 more than the base game just to get all the content they made for the game. So the actual cost of the 'full' game is $75.00.... that's kind of ridiculous.

Furthermore, the bioware points system is ridiculous. It's exactly the same as the Microsoft points. It's also annoying because they charge some specific amount of points for each DLC, so you may end up with points you don't even need, or not enough points and you have to pay more money to get a few points. DA:O DLC is an example. one of the DLC's costs 1200 points (~$15.00), the other costs 560 points (bit more than $5.00). I bought the 1600 point package for $20.00. I spent 1200 points for one of the DLC's and now I am left with 400 bioware points. So now in order to get the other DLC I have to go back and buy more points than I need, the minimum to buy is 500...

Yes, the game is very good, no question about that. But these game developers are obviously milking the crap out of us...

I agree. It's one thing if they came up with some content a month or so after release, but to have it so you need to pay more money from the word go is just absurd.

It seems that EA is really pushing hard for a microtransaction system to be the wave of the future...pay full price for a game and then have various features of said game available to purchase when you take it home.

[addiction21]

Affyy wrote...

Retriraver wrote...

Am I the only one who feels like game-makers these days are really milking their customers?

I find it rather dispicable that Bioware made DA:O and released it along with DLC that costs extra money. I can see this as acceptable if they made the DLC after the game release, but it seems like the DLC should have been part of the game anyways. I feel cheated when they basically made the game, then blocked part of the game out and make you pay extra money for it. Basically what they have done is charged you $25.00 more than the base game just to get all the content they made for the game. So the actual cost of the 'full' game is $75.00.... that's kind of ridiculous.

Furthermore, the bioware points system is ridiculous. It's exactly the same as the Microsoft points. It's also annoying because they charge some specific amount of points for each DLC, so you may end up with points you don't even need, or not enough points and you have to pay more money to get a few points. DA:O DLC is an example. one of the DLC's costs 1200 points (~$15.00), the other costs 560 points (bit more than $5.00). I bought the 1600 point package for $20.00. I spent 1200 points for one of the DLC's and now I am left with 400 bioware points. So now in order to get the other DLC I have to go back and buy more points than I need, the minimum to buy is 500...

Yes, the game is very good, no question about that. But these game developers are obviously milking the crap out of us...

I agree. It's one thing if they came up with some content a month or so after release, but to have it so you need to pay more money from the word go is just absurd.

It seems that EA is really pushing hard for a microtransaction system to be the wave of the future...pay full price for a game and then have various features of said game available to purchase when you take it home.

Why would a month make any difference?  It's also optional it has no bearing on the main game at all.  Its a extra little story and gear. Hell even one of Biowares people put a storage box mod out for the camp site.  You can play the game and miss nothing with out wardens keep.
I'm not attacking this is just my personal opnion.  If you buy something with out knowing anything about it (never trust the salesmen they tell you fairytales and half-truths about their products) then it is no ones fault but your own. Its nothing to wait a day or two then look around and see what the community has to say about it.
And F.Y.I. yes its too short, yes I believe it to be overpriced for what it is, and yes its a dickish move to stick the NPC in your camp asking for money.

[Shadow_Viper]

Nosuchluck wrote...

Retriraver wrote...

Ravenshrike wrote...

If you bought it on Steam you have a product key tab under properties. For that matter, if you had hit Shift+Tab it would have brought them up the first time you entered the game. In point of fact, it nags you about this the first time you start it up. One of the codes registers the game on this site, the others when put in the redeem code box give you your DLCs.

OMG!!! I had no freaking clue that is what the damn keys were for. I thought they were product keys to make the game playable, you know, the keys that they make you enter them so you can play online etc.. There was absolutely no note about free DLC or blood dragon armor... DAMMIT!

Anyone know if a refund is possible?

Its says on the back of the game box if you have a physical copy.

Btw - Guys just ignore Shadow Viper the guys just calls everyone he doesn't agree with a whiner

It's best not to go looking for insults.

I direct you to Metallica's Slither,  "Don't go looking for snakes, you might find them"

Not being so oversensitive may also help as well.

Modifié par Shadow_Viper, 11 novembre 2009 - 03:07 .

[1Parmenides]

Horse armor?





The only DLC's I care about are quest/story mods.

[LenaMarie]

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...

Blood Dragon Armor and Stone Prisoner are OK, but Warden's Keep was blatant false advertising and fell far short of its true potential. It really should have replaced the camp once done.

Seriously get over yourself and stop whining,its always your choice to buy content or not,you paid 7 bucks for a around 45mins extra content,i pay more than that daily at a fast food restaurant,kids are way to spoiled these days.

Its not whining, its feedback. Maybe your a fanboy with your head stuck up your arse but other people have valid opinions on how to improve the product.

[Shadow_Viper]

LenaMarie wrote...

PhantoMSouljaX wrote...

LenaMarie wrote...

Blood Dragon Armor and Stone Prisoner are OK, but Warden's Keep was blatant false advertising and fell far short of its true potential. It really should have replaced the camp once done.

Seriously get over yourself and stop whining,its always your choice to buy content or not,you paid 7 bucks for a around 45mins extra content,i pay more than that daily at a fast food restaurant,kids are way to spoiled these days.

Its not whining, its feedback. Maybe your a fanboy with your head stuck up your arse but other people have valid opinions on how to improve the product.

Here we see an example of a classic CDM: the "fanboy" label. Other labels include "troll" and "invalid"

[TheSimulacra]

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.



You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.



But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?



So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.



Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

[Bathead]

Myself, I enjoyed WK, do not agree it was false advertising, and think it worth every penny. You gonna call me a fanboy too?

[JonOsterman]

What happened to the days of just huge expansion packs? True, there was longer wait between the game and its expansion but the content and quality were so much higher. And the content had strong connections to the game world instead of isolated occurrences.

[pokemaughan]

It's a marketing scheme that unfortunately works, thanks to Xbox Live. I don't like it, either. You won't see me buying any DLC unless it's an epic expansion, if even then.



I personally am really unnerved that it's become a standard trend for many developers. Release a big game, then throw in some bells and whistles afterwards for a quick buck. Sometimes makes me feel like I'm playing one of those "free" MMOs where you're treated like a 2nd-class citizen if you don't pay for "premium" content. Well, except in this case I've already shelled out $50 bucks. Not to say that the DLC scheme is as oppressive as some of the more greedy establishments out there, but it's still noticeable.



I can understand DLC in the instance of adding "episodes", "chapters", or what-have-you; sizable enhancements to the original content. But it's hard to be tempted to pay so much for another short hour into a game that I can be plenty happy with by itself. And as far as a game like DA:O goes, I really feel a bit swindled when you start getting DLC like that. This stuff should've come in the vanilla game, or it should've come in a large expansion pack in the future.



In the end, we have the money and the developer has the product... and I think after getting used to a certain thing for so long, one starts to take it without even thinking anything of it. This can go both ways, of course- the consumer is used to popular marketing schemes; the developer is used to a more-or-less steady and predictable flux of income. Question is, who has the power? I was always taught that the customer is always right- but things change, of course.



Summary: DLC, in my opinion, is an annoying popular marketing scheme that I'd love to see die off. Larger expansion packs are ok, but anything less should come with the original product or be released as a free update. (because we all know after release customers come with their "you should've added this!" and "why did you put this in..." Would be noble of the developer to heed those concerns, rather than waiting for an opportunity to make money off the ideas)

[Shadow_Viper]

Bathead wrote...

Myself, I enjoyed WK, do not agree it was false advertising, and think it worth every penny. You gonna call me a fanboy too?

QFE, Well said. There's an epidemic on these forums lately, too many people needless whining over minor issues.  "Silly underwear," Elves with sideburns, moist lips, brown teeth, DLC conspiracy theories, DLC NPCs, no bowstrings, are just some of the ridiculous/silly things people have created threads to whine/nitpick/complain/cry/etc about.

[Shadow_Viper]

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.

You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.

But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?

So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

Just because a few individuals of the vocal forum minority make complaints about something, doesn't mean it's truely bad.

If someone doesn't like it suggested that they should take a reading comprehension class, then it is best that they fully read posts and pay attention to what they're reading.  

[jadedjim]

well any business is out to make money, and if they can get away with it they will. bioware is not the first company to introduce additional DLC for $,they wont be the last. they are just following a trend. would i like the content to be free of cost? of course. i just cannot see starting a thread about something we're all aware of thats all.

[Yaruchi]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.

You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.

But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?

So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

Just because a few individuals of the vocal forum minority make complaints about something, doesn't mean it's truely bad.

If someone doesn't like it suggested that they should take a reading comprehension class, then it is best that they fully read posts and pay attention to what they're reading.  

Who invited Mr. Smuggity Smugson?
If people don't bring truths to light, we might as well be walking around wearing potato sacks over our heads with an outstretched hand, holding open our wallets for anyone to dig into.

[Shadow_Viper]

Yaruchi wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.

You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.

But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?

So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

Just because a few individuals of the vocal forum minority make complaints about something, doesn't mean it's truely bad.

If someone doesn't like it suggested that they should take a reading comprehension class, then it is best that they fully read posts and pay attention to what they're reading.  

Who invited Mr. Smuggity Smugson?
If people don't bring truths to light, we might as well be walking around wearing potato sacks over our heads with an outstretched hand, holding open our wallets for anyone to dig into.

Here we go again with the DLC greed conspiracy theories...

[artmonster1967]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

Here we see an example of a classic CDM: the "fanboy" label. Other labels include "troll" and "invalid"

hehe

it's fun how you can get just about every thread riled up that way.....

people are soooo predictable and malleable.


good times. 

[TheSimulacra]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.

You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.

But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?

So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

Just because a few individuals of the vocal forum minority make complaints about something, doesn't mean it's truely bad.

If someone doesn't like it suggested that they should take a reading comprehension class, then it is best that they fully read posts and pay attention to what they're reading.  

And it's as I suspected; you are the kind of person for whom the internet is just a place full of opportunities to pretend like you're smarter than everyone else.  You traffic in splitting hairs and being a perpetual antagonist who resorts to pithy insults rather than actual argumentation to get their point across.  You're not a troll, because you're smarter than a troll, but you're apparently not smart enough to realize that you should be concerned that you derive some kind of pleasure out of acting like a jerk.  You know, there are other ways to act superior on the Internet.  Take my approach: waste your time typing things like this to people who don't care.

[Staylost]

At the topic line: This has always been true. What led you to think otherwise?



They can milk all they want. We don't have to buy.

[Yaruchi]

Nothing really "theoretical" about it.
The people who said the DLC things should've just been a big all-at-once expansion for later are right, in my eyes.
Instead, they put up multiple DLC content packages, which, if you want to experience everything the game has to offer, bumps up the total cost to somewhere around $75.
Now, I know you're going to say "optional buy, bla bla etc etc". I understand that. But it really is kind of shady of them to put out a $25 game, then at the same time some minor gameplay additions which, while fun by themselves for a time, altogether add 125% to the price.
So after they recieved their $25 from everybody who bought the core game, did they really need to escalate the profits on a massive scale so soon?


EDIT:
On an irrelevant note, you spelled acronyms wrong in your signature, Mr. Smugson.

Modifié par Yaruchi, 11 novembre 2009 - 03:53 .

[Shadow_Viper]

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

TheSimulacra wrote...

Shadow_Viper, you're actually contradicting yourself.

You say that before a person buys the DLC content, they should do some research to find out whether or not it's worth it. Fair enough, I can agree to that.

But then you suggest that people shouldn't bother posting complaints about the DLC on useful forums like this one. Well how is someone supposed to know whether or not the DLC is worthwhile if no one is supposed to talk about it?

So the OP initiated the thread with a complaint about the ethics of this game's DLC system. So what? It's a conversation about the DLC, which you would think would be helpful in provoking thoughtful discussion on the topic, and even on the DLC content itself, which it clearly has. In fact thanks to this thread I actually learned that the DLC is probably not all it's cracked up to be.

Oh and stop telling people to "take a reading comprehension class". Go ahead and talk to people like that anywhere that isn't the internet, and see how far it gets you.

Just because a few individuals of the vocal forum minority make complaints about something, doesn't mean it's truely bad.

If someone doesn't like it suggested that they should take a reading comprehension class, then it is best that they fully read posts and pay attention to what they're reading.  

And it's as I suspected; you are the kind of person for whom the internet is just a place full of opportunities to pretend like you're smarter than everyone else.  You traffic in splitting hairs and being a perpetual antagonist who resorts to pithy insults rather than actual argumentation to get their point across.  You're not a troll, because you're smarter than a troll, but you're apparently not smart enough to realize that you should be concerned that you derive some kind of pleasure out of acting like a jerk.  You know, there are other ways to act superior on the Internet.  Take my approach: waste your time typing things like this to people who don't care.

I'm simply stating my opinions and observations, nothing more, nothing less. It's best not to look for things to become offended over nor is it good to read too much into things.

There is no need to be so oversensitive and overdramatic.

Modifié par Shadow_Viper, 11 novembre 2009 - 03:58 .

[Shadow_Viper]

artmonster1967 wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

Here we see an example of a classic CDM: the "fanboy" label. Other labels include "troll" and "invalid"

hehe

it's fun how you can get just about every thread riled up that way.....

people are soooo predictable and malleable.


good times. 

It's not my intent to rile anything up. I'm simply calling things as I see them.

But sadly some people get upset/freak out over minor things(Which has also led to threads whining/crying/complaining/nitpicking/etc about "Silly underwear," Elves with sideburns, Moist lips, Brown teeth, DLC conspiracy theories, DLC NPCs, No bowstrings, just to name a few).

Modifié par Shadow_Viper, 11 novembre 2009 - 04:07 .

[Jolly Jenkins]

I have to agree with the OP on this one.



It is pretty cheap that Bio/EA wants us to pay extra $$ for sidequests that should had came packaged with the original game.



The game already cost $50! Why do I need to spend even more than that?