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[Fester Pot]

I really like the idea of DLC because it will expand the story and adventure. Considering the only DLC I need to pay for is Warden's Keep, I'm quite happy with what I've received for $59. EB Games gave me two cards, with DLC codes, front and back, for all this extra content and I didn't even pre-order. Not bad.



If BioWare starts to offer new areas to explore, towns, cities, NPCs, etc., I'm game and will gladly support them.

[Shadow_Viper]

Yaruchi wrote...

EDIT:
On an irrelevant note, you spelled acronyms wrong in your signature, Mr. Smugson.

Bah.

[Seifz]

Jolly Jenkins wrote...

I have to agree with the OP on this one.

It is pretty cheap that Bio/EA wants us to pay extra $$ for sidequests that should had came packaged with the original game.

The game already cost $50! Why do I need to spend even more than that?

Because the extra $$ are buying you content that was never part of the original game.  Seriously.  You all need to stop making 10,000 conspiracy theory threads about DLC.

[Shadow_Viper]

Seifz wrote...

Jolly Jenkins wrote...

I have to agree with the OP on this one.

It is pretty cheap that Bio/EA wants us to pay extra $$ for sidequests that should had came packaged with the original game.

The game already cost $50! Why do I need to spend even more than that?

Because the extra $$ are buying you content that was never part of the original game.  Seriously.  You all need to stop making 10,000 conspiracy theory threads about DLC.

QFE, indeed.

[ChevronX]

Seifz wrote...

Jolly Jenkins wrote...

I have to agree with the OP on this one.

It is pretty cheap that Bio/EA wants us to pay extra $$ for sidequests that should had came packaged with the original game.

The game already cost $50! Why do I need to spend even more than that?

Because the extra $$ are buying you content that was never part of the original game.  Seriously.  You all need to stop making 10,000 conspiracy theory threads about DLC.

Aye, and also DLCs seem to be in the craze these days. I do hope they make it easy to backup the content however.

[ITSSEXYTIME]

Retriraver wrote...
Am I the only one who feels like game-makers these days are really milking their customers?

Nope, I dislike the current trend of releasing map packs well beyond their actual monetary value.

That said, I feel that Warden's Keep is justified at $7, and very much should not be considered "an unincluded side quest".  Why is that you ask?  Because Warden's keep is more than just an extra questline: It's premium empowerment.  Every aspect of Warden's Keep grants the player significantly better gear than they should perhaps have, and a merchant that sells drakeskin armour and similar high grade quality gear despite the main game not having any equivalent.  In addition to new skills for each class that have proven to be very potent.


Warden's Keep is very much bonus content in it's design, not just the implementation.  It's designed to give players who buy it an advantage and placing it in the main game would have been a design flaw.  Much like the CE or other pre-order items the content of Warden's Keep can be downright overpowering in some ways.

Really, if you don't like DLC then just ignore it's existence.  I realize that may be kind of difficult considering the silly camp NPC proclaiming it but after maybe your first encounter with him you'll learn to just forget he exist as well.

[Seclus]

well I dislike DLC as a general practice.



The dlc of WK is a strange and grey area of likes and dislikes.



I feel it has a great story, and gives you some cool extras to a character. playing through it feels very smooth and engaging. The extra gear and vendors add some power items and extra ways to increase having potions. however it does feel short for an addition. and after you complete the mission it leaves you an open court yard with some vendors and a box in the snow. the ending of it feels unrewarding as it was hyped up to be the warden's keep a base of operations. It just doesn't feel like a base of operations when your standing around outside in the snow with people wearing non winter clothes.



Was it worth the price? that subjective some say it is some say its not. I find it useful and the back story very well done. I do feel a little disappointed, but i don't feel as if I completly wasted my money either. I am going to be more skeptical about future DLC however. DLC is what it is, its extra sales to provide little extras for a small fee. It will never give the length of content an expansion will provide and it will probably cost more if you buy each little addition. I really do see both side of this issue right now, i can see why some are voicing their disappoval and I can see why some enjoy it too. I enjoy i got it but I could easily do without it too, thats how i feel in the end.

[Wolfva2]

Of course it's a milking scheme. I know this may come as a shock, but Bioware is a company. And the primary purpose of a company, ANY company, is to make money for their stockholders. They do this by....get this...SELLING STUFF. Whether it be a service, entertainment, or actual goods. I know I know. It's all part of the evils of capitolism. These companies should be making games solely for the love of it, with no expectation of renumeration. But alas, 'tis the world we live in. For some strange and inexplicable reason, game developers like to make enough money to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and clothes on their children's backs! Amazing, but true. So, they sell us content. Go figure.

[pmelheck]

It's funny that dragon age for PC was finished in march but the release was delayed so it could be released with the console version but some how all the work that went into it after it was ready is some how "ripping off" customers. All of the extra content is downloaded NOT on the disk contrary to opinions on this board. If it were on the disk all the issues with downloading would not be the issue it has been for some folks. Bioware hired a seperate DLC team of programmers to work on DLC and folks can't stop complaining they are getting paid for their work. I'm glad none of you have jobs otherwise you would whine about wanting to be paid for your work.

[Yaruchi]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Of course it's a milking scheme. I know this may come as a shock, but Bioware is a company. And the primary purpose of a company, ANY company, is to make money for their stockholders. They do this by....get this...SELLING STUFF. Whether it be a service, entertainment, or actual goods. I know I know. It's all part of the evils of capitolism. These companies should be making games solely for the love of it, with no expectation of renumeration. But alas, 'tis the world we live in. For some strange and inexplicable reason, game developers like to make enough money to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and clothes on their children's backs! Amazing, but true. So, they sell us content. Go figure.

Let's ignore the fact that the head honchoes of the design department make much more than is actually a necessity to living.

Because facts are silly.

If this was the only game BioWare/Ea had ever made ever, then yes, I could understand it.

But this isn't like the makers of Mount & Blade(TaleWorlds or something), where the only game i've ever heard of by them is M&B, and its upcoming sequel. That's their only game of which i'm aware of, and yet I don't see an extra 10 dlc packages that tack on another $50 because they want a little more weight in their pocket. I bet the producers, between the release of the last M&B and the beginning of developing the sequel, were just holding simpler day jobs somewhere.

So don't go and say the DLCs are there to feed and clothe their children, etc. because that's BS all over.

[Retriraver]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

Retriraver wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

And yet another "Omg Bioware/EA are so greedy" DLC whining thread.

It's quite simple. If you do not like the DLCs, don't buy/play them. See? Simple huh.

Either way, there is no need for the whining.

IFSW

If you don't like the discussion, don't click on the topic and instigate.

Oh, and how the hell is someone supposed to know if they like the DLC's? You have to play them to know if you like them or not, and you have to buy them to play them, don't you?

Where did I say I did not like the discussion? I am simply offering my opinions and observations. I invite you to take some reading comprehension classes.

As suggested before, it is possible to do one's homework and find out information on DLC before buying it. Please try to pay attention and actually read posts before just hitting the quote button. Thank you.

Whoops! Must have hit the quote button again, sorry.

You should probably take up your own advice.

You said " It's quite simple. If you do not like the DLC's Don't buy/play them. See? Simple huh."

I'll repeat myself. How could I know, or anyone else for that matter, if I like the DLC BEFORE I buy it and play it?

I guess that isn't 'comprehensive' enough for you.

If you are going to post on someone else's thread, have some respect. "See? Simple huh." That's obviously a disrespectful tone. You talk as if I'm an idiot. Not many people care for your A-hole antics, so leave them out of my threads, and everyone else's too please. You wouldn't suggest someone is stupid in a class would you? Don't do it here either. It's quite an insult to suggest someone is uncapable of comprehending. Your entitled to your opinion, you are not entitled to belittle others just because you are online. Grow up dude.

[Wolfva2]

Is it really a fact that the 'head honchos' of the design department make 'much more then is actually a necessity'? Or is that just your opinion? How much DO they make? And more to the point, just how much is actually necessary? Should people ONLY be paid what is 'necessary' to live? So, I take it in your world a developer that can barely write passable code should be paid just as much as one who creates a game of stunning imagery and playability?



Bottom line, THIS is what those apparently overly rich lords of the realm, as you seem to think they are, do for a living. It is how they pay their bills. If they have money left over, then good for them. The ONLY way for them to keep bringing money in is to SELL CONTENT. That is their JOB. Just as many of US hold down jobs so WE can feed and clothe our families, and when we have extra spend it on games like this for entertainment. But you seem to think that's wrong, that people should ONLY be paid just enough to scrape by. What a sad, dreary world you live in. And what a hypocrite you are! Because obviously YOU are making much more money then is actually a necessity to live. Otherwise you couldn't be playing the game. Hypocrisy is so ugly, and being a hypocrite completely undermines your arguement. If you're going to keep making arguements like this, then I strongly encourage you to ask your boss for a paycut. It's the only honorable thing for you to do.

[Retriraver]

Wolfva2 wrote...

Of course it's a milking scheme. I know this may come as a shock, but Bioware is a company. And the primary purpose of a company, ANY company, is to make money for their stockholders. They do this by....get this...SELLING STUFF. Whether it be a service, entertainment, or actual goods. I know I know. It's all part of the evils of capitolism. These companies should be making games solely for the love of it, with no expectation of renumeration. But alas, 'tis the world we live in. For some strange and inexplicable reason, game developers like to make enough money to keep a roof over their heads, food on the table, and clothes on their children's backs! Amazing, but true. So, they sell us content. Go figure.

I agree for the most part, but it is a ripoff nonethless. Like I said before, they most likely made the game as a whole with the DLC, then blocked it off in order to charge extra for "extra" content. Purely a profit scheme. Yes, that is capitalism, but it is not necessarily part of a good business model. Imgaine going to a movie theatre, paying for your ticket, and watching the movie. Only while watching the movie do you discover a few scenes were cut out, they then ask you for an extra $5 to see the scenes. You and I would leave and never go to that theatre again, most likely. Same concept for the most part.

Game companies have made insane profits without DLC in the past. There is no reason to believe they could continue. Also, like I said in my OP, I could understand DLC and it's cost if it were released after the game, to expand on the story or whatnot. But releasing DLC with the game and charging for it, that's dispicable. Next thing you know, you will have to pay for DLC to even continue to the end of a game. Fallout 3 was fine you see. They released a full game then expanded it with DLC, that's perfectly exceptable. (just an example)

[Retriraver]

I could go as far as to compare Bioware with cigarette companies. They release a game they know is amazing and very addictive, and they also give you the option of buying more content. Who could resist the temptation of more DA:O!!?? It's like getting us addicted to crack and then offering to sell it to us! LOL! Just some humor to throw into the mix

[zzenn]

If it's optional - don't advertise it in-game. Simple. You can't handle people moaning, complaining and whining because your product annoys the feces out of them by using in-your-face advertising - then don't include it.

But they did, and now people complain. And no matter how much the fanboys come to the rescue, people will keep complaining. And the forum will keep filling up with complaints. And each time a fanboy defends the horrible DLC advertising - he or she is bumping the thread. Great! Please do bump it again, so more people can see how bioware and EA are making a game that feels incomplete.

When I buy a game I buy it to be COMPLETE. I don't buy it, only to see "PREMIUM CONTENT" tabs in the menus and even on my adventure. That's low and despicable and immersion breaking. It makes me feel like I'm paying for someone to try and sell me more. VERY annoying.

This isn't the Sims where people might be used to that kind of underhanded tactic. This is an RPG lauded as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. Well, BG had massive expansions, but it didn't slap it in your face that you were missing it in-game.

Modifié par zzenn, 11 novembre 2009 - 07:08 .

[Fortuona]

zzenn wrote...

This isn't the Sims where people might be used to that kind of underhanded tactic. This is an RPG lauded as the spiritual successor to Baldur's Gate. Well, BG had massive expansions, but it didn't slap it in your face that you were missing it in-game.

The spiritual successor bit is just marketing drivel. i'm sure it is also revolutionary.

so ignorance of your game being incomplete is better than a reminder? i hate it when companies put their symbol at the games start up. they have to get one more ad in there before they'll let you play.

I'm generally against the concept of DLC and i doubt i will get any for this game. This game was sold with wardens keep and stone prisoner included. that is why i don't understand claims that they were withholding game content to milk people. they also offered a light version of the game for people who didn't want to pay as much. 

[Napoleon1853]

Monserrath wrote...

I feel like I'm the only one who realizes that the DLC is entirely optional. Yes, BioWare made more content for the game than was present in the final product. No, there's nothing forcing you to buy it. Do you want it? Okay, then either be willing to pay for it or accept that you won't have it - a lot of things in life are like that. I don't think it's a milking scheme at all. They offer a product for money, you choose whether or not to buy it. Simple as that.

I can only hope that these threads will eventually die. It seems like there's a new one every time I check the boards. Sheesh.

Napoleon1853 wrote...Warden's Keep kinda seems like false
advertising. I think whining is fine. We are PAYING customers. We can
whine if we want to.

Could you explain how it's false advertising?  They said "Here's some DLC, here's what it contains, here's the price."  How is that false advertising?  As for being paying customers and therefore having the right to whine, most of the whining threads and comments I see are from people saying that they're not going to pay for anything.  If someone doesn't feel they got their money's worth, then I've no issue with that, but it's the complaining about paid DLC even existing that's getting really old.

Well I would say that I and maybe others where led to belive you could use the Keep as a base of operations...and upgrade it with things in it and stuff.

[Napoleon1853]

Shadow_Viper wrote...

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Shadow_Viper wrote...

And yet another "Omg Bioware/EA are so greedy" DLC whining thread.

It's quite simple. If you do not like the DLCs, don't buy/play them. See? Simple huh.

Either way, there is no need for the whining.

IFSW

Warden's Keep kinda seems like false advertising. I think whining is fine. We are PAYING customers. We can whine if we want to.

Then don't play/buy it. Whether you choose to buy/play it, or not, neither choice requires running to the forums and whining.

One could also try doing their homework on a DLC before buying it.

I have Warden's Keep DLC. I got it from getting the Digital Deluxe Edition. However, I would say I and others probably expected better.

[Cave_Dweller28]

[Removed inappropriate content.] The concept of premium content in general doesn't sit well with me. I would be willing to buy additional content in an expansion pack, but to have to create 10 different online accounts, each with different point balances, just to get the additional content advertised so blatantly in my favorite video games? Plus I don't have a credit card, as I'm not 19 yet and am in university. So how could I possibly pay for this content that is being dangled right in front of my face? That's assuming I wasn't wary of making online purchases in general.



EDIT: Removed inappropriate content.

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 14 novembre 2009 - 12:41 .

[thearidzoner]

Okay so this is the 10,000 or 20,000 thread on this topic? Just curious

[Napoleon1853]

Cave_Dweller28 wrote...

I might pirate that one piece of DLC just because of the obnoxious advertising XD. The concept of premium content in general doesn't sit well with me. I would be willing to buy additional content in an expansion pack, but to have to create 10 different online accounts, each with different point balances, just to get the additional content advertised so blatantly in my favorite video games? Plus I don't have a credit card, as I'm not 19 yet and am in university. So how could I possibly pay for this content that is being dangled right in front of my face? That's assuming I wasn't wary of making online purchases in general.

I got the DLC just by using one account, the one I am currently on. Well...sorta. I got the DDE off of Steam so I used the code from Steam and enterd it onto this website using this account. I would like expansion packs for this game though I guess.

Modifié par Napoleon1853, 11 novembre 2009 - 08:03 .

[Cave_Dweller28]

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Cave_Dweller28 wrote...

I might pirate that one piece of DLC just because of the obnoxious advertising XD. The concept of premium content in general doesn't sit well with me. I would be willing to buy additional content in an expansion pack, but to have to create 10 different online accounts, each with different point balances, just to get the additional content advertised so blatantly in my favorite video games? Plus I don't have a credit card, as I'm not 19 yet and am in university. So how could I possibly pay for this content that is being dangled right in front of my face? That's assuming I wasn't wary of making online purchases in general.

I got the DLC just by using one account, the one I am currently on. Well...sorta. I got the DDE off of Steam so I used the code from Steam and enterd it onto this website using this account. I would like expansion packs for this game though I guess.

I meant that if I were to have multiple video games that I really liked, all with different developers, all of which had additional content, then I'd potentially have to have many different online acounts to pay for said addons.  This trend could potentially get very inconvienent for customers. 

[Napoleon1853]

Cave_Dweller28 wrote...

Napoleon1853 wrote...

Cave_Dweller28 wrote...

I might pirate that one piece of DLC just because of the obnoxious advertising XD. The concept of premium content in general doesn't sit well with me. I would be willing to buy additional content in an expansion pack, but to have to create 10 different online accounts, each with different point balances, just to get the additional content advertised so blatantly in my favorite video games? Plus I don't have a credit card, as I'm not 19 yet and am in university. So how could I possibly pay for this content that is being dangled right in front of my face? That's assuming I wasn't wary of making online purchases in general.

I got the DLC just by using one account, the one I am currently on. Well...sorta. I got the DDE off of Steam so I used the code from Steam and enterd it onto this website using this account. I would like expansion packs for this game though I guess.

I meant that if I were to have multiple video games that I really liked, all with different developers, all of which had additional content, then I'd potentially have to have many different online acounts to pay for said addons.  This trend could potentially get very inconvienent for customers. 

I honestly don't see the point in Bioware points. Why not just allow people to purchase DLC without going through the extra step of buying Bioware points? I don't get it.

[Cave_Dweller28]

I imagine it increases profits to use Bioware points. At the very least it restricts the user to spending that value on Bioware products, and if the person never bothers to use the points they have left over after buying additional content......