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[Spawny]

tmp7704 wrote...

You can see example of such work here: http://www.volny.cz/...roj/z0008_e.htm

I looked at the rest on that site and the work is amazing. Good find

[Zjarcal]

Saibh wrote...

...and therefore netting disapproval from Wynne.

That's hardly a bad thing IMO. 

Seriously though, I don't think mages in Origins have to be pigeonholed as either Circle lovers or Circle haters who wish death upon them, there's some room for a middle ground. My mage (a blood mage that is), certainly wasn't happy at the tower and hated the templars with a passion, but she cared for her fellow mages. She chose to save the tower (thus disappointing Morrigan) not to help the templars but to save the lives of her former companions, realizing that it could've easily been her in that situation.

Once the tower was safe, Wynne was told to take a hike (especially after she tried to rat out my blood mage, <_<).

That being said, I really look forward to play an apostate in DA2. It's simply too tempting to have a pair of apostate sisters sticking it to the Chantry.

[Tooneyman]

NAh, I say give her the Steel binkini and call it a day. *0*

[Minxie]

Zjarcal wrote...

That being said, I really look forward to play an apostate in DA2. It's simply too tempting to have a pair of apostate sisters sticking it to the Chantry.

Ahh, I can't wait to play this game.

[Saibh]

tmp7704 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

Meaning it caters to men over it catering to women. Armor made for women wouldn't be forged to form over breasts like that.

That's not necessarily true. Set of armour being expensive like heck, these were generally made to fit the wearer. It wouldn't exactly make much sense to forge armour which didn't fit the wearer's figure, and make it less comfortable that it could be otherwise just because random men would get to look at it. For the owner of the armour any potential onlookers are secondary concern, if a concern at all.

You can see example of such work here: http://www.volny.cz/...roj/z0008_e.htm

I'm talking about women in Ferelden, as if they were in the army and wearing stock armor like you'd loot off a dead woman's corpse. Ser Cauthrien's, since you asked. The metal cutting to fit around the breasts would offer no extra support, and would be done with the cloth or leather worn beneath the armor. As such, it would be easier to forge smaller armor then it would be to hammer out boobs. Sure it looks good, but I can't think of a reason to make it like that other than to declare I R WOMAN!

It might curve out slightly to accommodate breasts, but I don't think it would be necessary to literally make cups out of plate armor. Most armor shown on paintings of Jeanne d'Arc doesn't accomadate her breasts all too much. This portrait was an artist's interpretation, made a few decades after she was killed. She purposely defeminized her appearance in real life, but I'm simply saying it was probably very unnecessary. The chest is a very immobile part of the body, and it doesn't need to fit precisely to form, unless you specifically want to look like a woman.

Again, this isn't bad--I like Hilde's armor a lot--I'm just saying that the reason for making boobs in an armor is more for guys then for girls.

Modifié par Saibh, 30 août 2010 - 02:53 .

[Saibh]

Zjarcal wrote...

Saibh wrote...

...and therefore netting disapproval from Wynne.

That's hardly a bad thing IMO. 

Seriously though, I don't think mages in Origins have to be pigeonholed as either Circle lovers or Circle haters who wish death upon them, there's some room for a middle ground. My mage (a blood mage that is), certainly wasn't happy at the tower and hated the templars with a passion, but she cared for her fellow mages. She chose to save the tower (thus disappointing Morrigan) not to help the templars but to save the lives of her former companions, realizing that it could've easily been her in that situation.

Once the tower was safe, Wynne was told to take a hike (especially after she tried to rat out my blood mage, <_<).

That being said, I really look forward to play an apostate in DA2. It's simply too tempting to have a pair of apostate sisters sticking it to the Chantry.

Oh, I'm just saying when you're particularly asked, it doesn't seem like you can offer an opinion that doesn't either earn or lose approval, or at least is very vague. In a roleplay situation, you could certainly imagine that you were saving the people you grew up with whilst hating on the templars, but it didn't seem like you could say to Wynne "why can't we be free to live our own life?" or something similar.

I could simply be forgetting, though.

[Riona45]

Vandrayke wrote...


Honestly I totally disagree with cramming mages in a "skinny, wearing robes" category.  I mean medics in military units are in shape and they don't wear white lab coats and stethoscopes.  Maybe mages wear lighter armor or something but I think the "weakling wearing robes" stereotype is really played out.  

I second that.  A mage party member in this game would still need to be very fit (you do a lot of walking, for sure), and as mentioned before, way back, Bethany--and Mage!Hawke--likely come from a social class for which daily physical labor was the norm.

[John Cavalcanti]

Edited by Tarmack

Modifié par Tarmack, 30 août 2010 - 03:50 .

[Riona45]

IndigoWolfe wrote...

That being said, I'd be hesitant to endorse the appearance of a lacy neglige or a set of decadent red lengerie. Hawke is a warrior here. And I don't think they'll make seperate sets of underwear for general skivvie moseying and romantic scenes.

True...but warriors can still love beautiful things.

[Saibh]

Riona45 wrote...

Vandrayke wrote...


Honestly I totally disagree with cramming mages in a "skinny, wearing robes" category.  I mean medics in military units are in shape and they don't wear white lab coats and stethoscopes.  Maybe mages wear lighter armor or something but I think the "weakling wearing robes" stereotype is really played out.  

I second that.  A mage party member in this game would still need to be very fit (you do a lot of walking, for sure), and as mentioned before, way back, Bethany--and Mage!Hawke--likely come from a social class for which daily physical labor was the norm.

You know what I despised? In ME, how "weaker" classes could only wear "weaker" armor. I'm sorry, but exactly how are your l33t h4x0rz powers hindered by bulky shoulders? You can shoot sniper rifles as a soldier with heavy armor, so why can't Infiltrators?

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...

You know, I'm really excited to play an apostate mage this time around. I always feel a bit disappointed that your choice on being a mage is being from the Tower and loving it and agreeing with Wynne, and therefore netting disapproval from Morrigan, or hating the Tower and wishing death upon them all and agreeing with Morrigan, and therefore netting disapproval from Wynne.

This issue, and the issue with the Chantry, I felt like I could take no middle ground. It'll be nice to be an apostate.

I totally agree with you about being an apostate.  However, in my experience there was plenty of room for middle ground, at least with regards to the individual conversations you could have with the characters.  With Wynne, especially, I found you could often disagree with her without losing any approval--surprisingly, if you helped Jowan at the beginning and tell her you still stand by your choice, you actually gain a few approval points with her.  I got approval from Morrigan for telling her I was glad to be free of the tower without ever having to say I hated or wished harm upon the people there.

Just relating my own experiences.

[Saibh]

Riona45 wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know, I'm really excited to play an apostate mage this time around. I always feel a bit disappointed that your choice on being a mage is being from the Tower and loving it and agreeing with Wynne, and therefore netting disapproval from Morrigan, or hating the Tower and wishing death upon them all and agreeing with Morrigan, and therefore netting disapproval from Wynne.

This issue, and the issue with the Chantry, I felt like I could take no middle ground. It'll be nice to be an apostate.

I totally agree with you about being an apostate.  However, in my experience there was plenty of room for middle ground, at least with regards to the individual conversations you could have with the characters.  With Wynne, especially, I found you could often disagree with her without losing any approval--surprisingly, if you helped Jowan at the beginning and tell her you still stand by your choice, you actually gain a few approval points with her.  I got approval from Morrigan for telling her I was glad to be free of the tower without ever having to say I hated or wished harm upon the people there.

Just relating my own experiences.

Alright, maybe I foolishly only chose to be an extremist in all of my playthroughs.

[Riona45]

MariSkep wrote...

I'm eager to be an apostate mage for the very opposite reason. Before regardless of your feelings for the circle and Chantry you didn't do much to the status quo. Now it looks like we could actually change the way both organisations function within the Free Marshes.

Well, to be fair, you could ask the monarch to free the Circle from the Chantry's oversight, although we are never told exactly how the Circle functions after that.

But you're right, it looks like in DA2 we'll be able to affect so much more, which is one of the reasons why I am so excited for this game.

Modifié par Riona45, 30 août 2010 - 03:35 .

[Riona45]

Saibh wrote...


Alright, maybe I foolishly only chose to be an extremist in all of my playthroughs.

It's a perfectly valid way to play.

[Riona45]

MariSkep wrote...

Saibh wrote...

You know what I despised? In ME, how "weaker" classes could only wear "weaker" armor. I'm sorry, but exactly how are your l33t h4x0rz powers hindered by bulky shoulders? You can shoot sniper rifles as a soldier with heavy armor, so why can't Infiltrators?

class restrictions don't make any sense. Honestly don't know why we still bother with them but they're there and we're stuck with them.

Unless you can mod! *taps pc appreciatively* 

As silly as it might be, it probably comes down to game balance.

[Celticon]

MariSkep wrote...
And why exactly was Morrigan so happy with me saying that? She's maleficar too.

Slightly more on topic, here's hoping this wheel thingy prevents similar situations between Hawke, Bethany and whoever else is accompanying us.

Not all apostates/witches are maleficars.

[oenis]

But blood magic isn't necessarily bad. Yes, it is used for demon summoning and cursing and soul binding etc, but blood magic is using one's own life force to power spells instead of mana. And I guess someone else's life force can be used too. Its like guns: guns don't kill people, people kill people. Blood magic can be used for absolute good, it is the person's choice to do bad stuff with it.

[oenis]

^ I always feel bad for Jowan because he was going to be made Tranquil just for knowing blood magic, but its counterbalanced by him lying to both my warden and his beloved and getting us mixed up in his trouble to try to save his own butt. If it was me, I would have just left on my own rather than involving loved ones in something so dangerous, Seriously, who does that??

[realyoungjeezy]

[Riona45]

oenis wrote...

^ I always feel bad for Jowan because he was going to be made Tranquil just for knowing blood magic, but its counterbalanced by him lying to both my warden and his beloved and getting us mixed up in his trouble to try to save his own butt. If it was me, I would have just left on my own rather than involving loved ones in something so dangerous, Seriously, who does that??

Well, Jowan and Lily obviously wanted to be with each other at the time.

[Arttis]

realyoungjeezy wrote...

jumping monkey fat!
I doubt lady hawke will look like that.